Re: [MSM] Cook Ware
- On Jan 31, 2008, at 6:12 PM, WJ Seidl wrote:
> Olushola:I just wanted people's opinions about it, as we are buying cookware.
> I've used Le Creuset for years. What do you need to know?
> W in FL
We are getting rid of all the plastic stuff. It seems that enamel
over cast iron is the way to go.
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- The "coated" cookware went overseas for at _least_ one of two reasons. 1) it became too expensive to make it here. 2) the quality of work could not be maintained, with American workers. Sad to say, I have *seen* people paid to do jobs that want to a half a--ed one, for full pay. Here where I live, there is a handicapped bus service, run by the county. I am disabled, and can walk only a short distance (~40 feet maximum). The _front_ door of my apartment building is about _60_ feet from the curb, plus 30 feet to the front of the building. I was told _by a supervisor_ that "because the back parking lot is too small to turn the shuttle around safely, I should come to the front of the building, in the driveway. The "Shuttle" would come up the drive to pick me up." RIGHT.
When I tried to take the shuttle, ten days ago, the driver *refused* to even enter the driveway. A phone, and a written, complaint, brought no response of any kind. Yet, my taxes still pay the salaries of both supervisor and driver. Any other business could not survive such behavior.
If I buy a "Lodge/other brand name" item, I want the quality I _paid_ for. Otherwise, I won't buy again. If the employees of that company want to be paid for HA/incompetent work, they won't keep their jobs. They either go overseas where the employees do a good job, or the company closes. The UAW and others are finally learning that lesson.
The other part is that casting/rough machining cookware is relatively cheap. When you add *any* kind of permanent coating, it gets very much more expensive. Two layers is a lot more than twice the cost, of _one_ layer. It has to be inspected twice, post cast/machining (not just once, but between layers), and failures cost money. If production is 1000/day, a 1% failure rate is _10_ to be scrapped.
As to paying more direct, Lodge is a _manufacturer_, not a retail operation. They make a profit by making cookware, in quantity, and selling it to wholesalers, who sell it to (you guessed it) retailers. To sell *one* item, means an employee who does nothing but "retail" sales (accept order, get item, pack item, ship item). Of course, it costs more. "Retail" sales by Lodge is a convenience, not a right. All the costs of production are tiny per item, in quantities of ten thousand. In single quantities, it is paid for with each sale (maybe 10-100/day).
Manufacture of a quality product is not cheap. If it were, SE Asia countries would not be the kings of production. They can make acceptable quality, at a price Americans cannot. If American workers would once again give $20/hour effort, for $20/hour pay, we could get/keep these jobs. Too many won't, and they go where the workers will. I won't pay Cadillac prices, for a Buick, with Buick quality. I will pay Mercedes/Beamer prices, for a Mercedes/Beamer, with M/B quality (or any other equivalent brand/quality). Only a fool does. That's why those brands get the prices they charge.
>From: NYLENE SCHOELLHORN <nylene@...>
>Maybe we could all write protest letters and get Lodge to make the cast iron enamel covered cookware here in America as well as the plain iron.
> If they are still making the plain black pots here-then there is no reason they cannot make the colored pots here as well!
> AMERICAN JOBS! We need to keep the skill here.
> I have also read on-line that there is a larger enamel covered-dutch oven that Lodge now makes. It was said that it has 4 enamel coatings-the $50 dollar one only has two.
> I wonder how many coatings LaCruset has?
> This large Lodge pot sells for twice the price and has a metal loop for the top handle. I wonder if that model is made in America?
> Also buying directly from Lodge costs much more than buying from stores or eBay-which I think is strange. My pot cost $53 dollars at the store and is $75 dollars for the same size on the Lodge on-line store.