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  • Phil Teague
    ... One question I have: can you install an X-axis powerfeed to the WT model without special modifications to the table? There is a document in the 6 x 26
    Message 1 of 17 , Mar 1, 2005
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      --- In mill_drill@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <odomrm@m...> wrote:
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      > We picked up the WT 6x26 today and moved it into the workshop. It is
      > a very nice machine. Two things worth noting about the WT machine is
      > that it does not have 20" X-axis travel as WT claims, and it came with
      > a 2 hp motor, not the 1-1/2 hp motor listed in the specs.
      >
      > I'm actually quite impressed with the overall quality. It is quieter
      > running than my Chinese gear head machine, but my gear head is not all
      > that bad either. You just have to get used to the whine. I think the
      > 6x26 will run smoother and will be quieter if the belts are replaced
      > with powertwist link belts. These belts make my Delta floor standing
      > drill press and my HF 12x36 lathe run smoother due to less vibration.
      >
      > Richard

      One question I have: can you install an X-axis powerfeed to the WT
      model without special modifications to the table? There is a document
      in the 6 x 26 group files, Grizzly vs WT.rtf that describes the
      Grizzly G3102 as not being easily modified to allow such a power feed.
      This is actually a bit strange because the photo for the G3102 on the
      their web site clearly shows just such a powerfeed:
      http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=g3102
      This is a little confusing. Does anyone own a G3102 out there?
    • Mike Delany
      I got the WT 6x26 a couple of weeks ago and it appears that a power feed installation should not be bad. My guess is that you will have to drill and tap a
      Message 2 of 17 , Mar 1, 2005
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        I got the WT 6x26 a couple of weeks ago and it appears that a power feed
        installation should not be bad. My guess is that you will have to drill
        and tap a couple of holes for the mount and may have to machine off an
        inch or so from the handwheel neck on the right side (facing the machine).
        My game plan is a 3 axis CNC conversion and it looks like there is enough
        room for ball screws and servos.

        Mike

        http://www.p1800s.com/mill/
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        > --- In mill_drill@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <odomrm@m...> wrote:
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        > > Richard
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        > One question I have: can you install an X-axis powerfeed to the WT
        > model without special modifications to the table? There is a document
        > in the 6 x 26 group files, Grizzly vs WT.rtf that describes the
        > Grizzly G3102 as not being easily modified to allow such a power feed.
        > This is actually a bit strange because the photo for the G3102 on the
        > their web site clearly shows just such a powerfeed:
        > http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=g3102
        > This is a little confusing. Does anyone own a G3102 out there?
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      • Allen Sparks
        I wrote the article on the mills, I was told by salesman at Grizzly Springfeils store, that the 3102 has a shorter lead screw, so it cannot have the power feed
        Message 3 of 17 , Mar 1, 2005
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          I wrote the article on the mills, I was told by
          salesman at Grizzly Springfeils store, that the 3102
          has a shorter lead screw, so it cannot have the power
          feed added easily. However I think one could adapted
          with a little work. As to the WT mill, the one I
          checked at WT Tulsa store had the longer lead screw,
          so a feed can be easily installed.

          Sparky


          --- Phil Teague <philteague@...> wrote:

          >
          > --- In mill_drill@yahoogroups.com, "Richard"
          > <odomrm@m...> wrote:
          > >
          > >
          > > We picked up the WT 6x26 today and moved it into
          > the workshop. It is
          > > a very nice machine. Two things worth noting
          > about the WT machine is
          > > that it does not have 20" X-axis travel as WT
          > claims, and it came with
          > > a 2 hp motor, not the 1-1/2 hp motor listed in
          > the specs.
          > >
          > > I'm actually quite impressed with the overall
          > quality. It is quieter
          > > running than my Chinese gear head machine, but my
          > gear head is not all
          > > that bad either. You just have to get used to the
          > whine. I think the
          > > 6x26 will run smoother and will be quieter if the
          > belts are replaced
          > > with powertwist link belts. These belts make my
          > Delta floor standing
          > > drill press and my HF 12x36 lathe run smoother due
          > to less vibration.
          > >
          > > Richard
          >
          > One question I have: can you install an X-axis
          > powerfeed to the WT
          > model without special modifications to the table?
          > There is a document
          > in the 6 x 26 group files, Grizzly vs WT.rtf that
          > describes the
          > Grizzly G3102 as not being easily modified to allow
          > such a power feed.
          > This is actually a bit strange because the photo for
          > the G3102 on the
          > their web site clearly shows just such a powerfeed:
          >
          http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=g3102
          > This is a little confusing. Does anyone own a G3102
          > out there?
          >
          >
          >
          >


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        • Tom
          Hi Phil, There are models that don t have the room on the right side of the table screw for a motor drive.When I bought my WT 626 they told me mine was able to
          Message 4 of 17 , Mar 1, 2005
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            Hi Phil,
             There are models that don't have the room on the right side of the table screw for a motor drive.When I bought my WT 626 they told me mine was able to carry a motor drive.What it looks like is there is a spacer between the right crank and the table.When you motorize you remove this spacer.I saw one at Busy Bee that didn't have a spacer or room for one.
            * I hope that the new owners out there are informed about the greaseless bearings.
             *Could Michael take some photos of his srappers.I would like to see how he changed his.I don't like the look of those rubber flaps either<g>Thanks Michael if you can,your's sounds like a good idea.
             *Richard,My machine came with a 2 HP instead of the listed 1 1/5 HP.I suspect it isn't a true 2 HP though.It only draws 17amps on 110volts.Is that a 2 HP draw?
            Tom Munroe
            One question I have: can you install an X-axis powerfeed to the WT
            model without special modifications to the table? There is a document
            in the 6 x 26 group files, Grizzly vs WT.rtf that describes the
            Grizzly G3102 as not being easily modified to allow such a power feed.
            This is actually a bit strange because the photo for the G3102 on the
            their web site clearly shows just such a powerfeed:
            http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=g3102
            This is a little confusing. Does anyone own a G3102 out there?


          • Tom
            opps! I think I cross posted my messages sorry folks.I ll wake up sometime Tom Munroe
            Message 5 of 17 , Mar 1, 2005
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              opps!
                I think I cross posted my messages sorry folks.I'll wake up sometime<g>
              Tom Munroe
            • leasingham_connelly
              ... snipped ... HP.I suspect it isn t a true 2 HP though.It only draws 17amps on 110volts.Is that a 2 HP draw? ... snipped Electrical power is the product of
              Message 6 of 17 , Mar 2, 2005
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                --- In mill_drill@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <ORIONLX200@a...> wrote:
                > Hi Phil,
                > There are models

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                > *Richard,My machine came with a 2 HP instead of the listed 1 1/5
                HP.I suspect it isn't a true 2 HP though.It only draws 17amps on
                110volts.Is that a 2 HP draw?
                > Tom Munroe

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                Electrical power is the product of volts times amps so 110 times 17
                is 1870 watts. As 1 HP is 745 watts this is a power of 2.5 HP. As
                some of the electrical power will be wasted as heat and noise the
                shaft output will be less than 2.5 HP so 2 HP seems realistic for
                this current draw (there is also the small matter of power factor in
                AC circuits but that's too specialist for a machining group). Is
                this the maximum current draw on the motor's data plate? If you have
                measured it at this level with a motor running unloaded then it
                would seem too high as the current will increase as the motor is
                made to do work. The no load current draw should be well below what
                is needed for 2 HP.

                MArtin
              • Mike Delany
                I still have mine on 110 and it does dim the lights on the circuit when it starts. Seems to be about the same as the 18 amp motor on the tablesaw (another one
                Message 7 of 17 , Mar 2, 2005
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                  I still have mine on 110 and it does dim the lights on the circuit when it
                  starts. Seems to be about the same as the 18 amp motor on the tablesaw
                  (another one that needs to be switched over). Overall a nice machine.

                  Mike

                  http://www.p1800s.com/mill/

                  On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, leasingham_connelly wrote:

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                  > Electrical power is the product of volts times amps so 110 times 17
                  > is 1870 watts. As 1 HP is 745 watts this is a power of 2.5 HP. As
                  > some of the electrical power will be wasted as heat and noise the
                  > shaft output will be less than 2.5 HP so 2 HP seems realistic for
                • Tom
                  Hi Martin, Your correct,I checked and the plate reads 14 amps I guess.I can t get at it very easy during winter as all the heavy machinery is bunched together
                  Message 8 of 17 , Mar 2, 2005
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                    Hi Martin,
                     Your correct,I checked and the plate reads 14 amps I guess.I can't get at it very easy during winter as all the heavy machinery is bunched together in a small space I try to heat.That works out to 2 HP but like I said I doubt they would give us a bigger motor without claiming it in the ads.It would be neat for someone to do an amp draw test to check it out running.Thanks for reminding me what the formula is Martin
                    Tom Munroe
                     
                     
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                    --- In mill_drill@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <ORIONLX200@a...> wrote:
                    > Hi Phil,
                    >  There are models

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                    >  *Richard,My machine came with a 2 HP instead of the listed 1 1/5
                    HP.I suspect it isn't a true 2 HP though.It only draws 17amps on
                    110volts.Is that a 2 HP draw?
                    > Tom Munroe

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                    Electrical power is the product of volts times amps so 110 times 17
                    is 1870 watts. As 1 HP is 745 watts this is a power of 2.5 HP. As
                    some of the electrical power will be wasted as heat and noise the
                    shaft output will be less than 2.5 HP so 2 HP seems realistic for
                    this current draw (there is also the small matter of power factor in
                    AC circuits but that's too specialist for a machining group). Is
                    this the maximum current draw on the motor's data plate? If you have
                    measured it at this level with a motor running unloaded then it
                    would seem too high as the current will increase as the motor is
                    made to do work. The no load current draw should be well below what
                    is needed for 2 HP.

                    MArtin

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