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2536Re: OT YA group (CncPRO) banning

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  • snorkelca
    May 1, 2002
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      Gee of all the nerve,it just shows to go ya,that things are not always
      the way they seem. William .

      --- In mill_drill@y..., "ballendo" <ballendo@y...> wrote:
      > Hello fellow CNC'ers,
      >
      > (I apologise to members of multiple groups who receive multiple
      > copies. I am posting this on groups where potential cnc control
      > customers may be looking...)
      >
      > <begin msg>
      > Tonight I was banned from a yahoo group. The first time ever.
      > Yeager Automation (YA), a group for users of CncPRO and
      AceConverter.
      > I had been a member since its inception, and had posted quite a few
      > helpful messages (according to the responses given).
      >
      > I became aware of this tonight when "My groups" did not list me as a
      > member of YA. I thought it might be a yahoo blip (but maybe not), so
      > I rejoined and posted the first message below. Below that are my
      > posts for this evening. I left the YA group site to take a look at
      > Jeff Davis's new roll-your-own-preload-ballscrews(nice!), and when I
      > came back I had been banned.
      >
      > Lately a lot of YA group members have been concerned by the lack of
      > support of CncPRO. Doug Yeager, the author, no longer answered
      direct
      > group requests for help or advice with his program(s). As others
      > wondered what to do, I suggested Master5 (and Mach1, its successor)
      > by Art Fenerty. Art has been giving EXCELLENT support. A fact you
      can
      > see by looking at the master5 yahoo group. You can also see the lack
      > of support given in the last few months by YeagerAutomation in their
      > yahoo group. (What you won't see is the messages I left recommending
      > master5 to those who WERE LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE! They've been
      > deleted from the archive... Whether my "other" posts will remain I
      > will not know)
      >
      > So this is presented so that you may make your own determination as
      > to whether you want to use CncPRO; knowing that the moderator of the
      > group feels the need to censor posts, and ban active members. You
      can
      > see that I still answered posts of members that didn't have anything
      > to do with YA directly:
      >
      > I understand that some will be pleased to hear of my banning. OK.
      The
      > facts are here posted so that others can make up their own minds
      > about using CncPRO, or other YA products.
      >
      > Ballendo
      >
      > First here is the welcome message for the group, sent to all members
      > upon joining:
      >
      > >Subject: Welcome to yeagerautomation
      > >
      > >Group discussion on products provided by Yeager Automation and
      > >related issues. Talk about whatever you wish. If there are specific
      > >bug or feature issues, be aware that i don't read all the posts, so
      > >you may have to address me directly.
      > >
      > >Only one rule: NO FLAMING!
      > >
      > >thx,
      > >doug yeager
      > >yeager automation
      > >
      > ********** tonights' posts
      ******************************************
      >
      > Hello Jeff, List,
      >
      > You and others in this group might like to know that my recent
      > messages were deleted and I was apparently removed from the group.
      > More than a few messages were removed, and I'm not sure who did it,
      > but it sure smells of censorship...
      >
      > Many of these messages were suggestions to try Master5, for Art F
      > over there IS providing support like Doug USED TO...
      >
      > The latest one included the statement that "saying you are
      supporting
      > a product is not the same as doing so..."
      >
      > THESE MESSAGES WERE RESPONSES TO OTHERS WHO, LIKE JEFFS MESSAGE
      > BELOW, ARE WONDERING WHAT TO MAKE OF THE PRESENT SITUATION...
      >
      > I'd sure like to know what happened?!? Doug, do you know?
      >
      > As I keep a record of all that I post, I will wait for an answer
      > here. If none is provided, I will repost my deleted messages in
      other
      > CNC groups. (along with this "explanation" note)
      >
      > Ballendo
      >
      > P.S. As a member of over 65 groups, none of which were similarly
      > affected, I DON'T think this was a Yahoo error...
      >
      > --- In yeagerautomation@y..., "jeffdavis516" <cadman@p...> wrote:
      > > If Doug has time to answer your messages why can't he send one
      > little
      > > note to this group just to say he is around and working? I might
      > > make some of us feel a little better.
      > >
      > > Jeff Davis
      > > http://www.homecnc.info
      > >
      > > --- In yeagerautomation@y..., "Rien Kleinjan" <rienkleinjan@s...>
      > > wrote:
      > > > Hello everyone,
      > > >
      > > > i just recieved a message from Doug Yeager that he is still
      > > supporting
      > > > cncpro. So don't worry......he is a busy man.
      > > > Some people talk about Master5 as an alternative for cncpro. I
      > did
      > > compare
      > > > the programs but i'm sorry for the users of master5.....it is
      not
      > > that
      > > > profesional as it looks.
      > > >
      > > > Rien Kleinjan
      >
      **********************************************************************
      > *
      > Rian,
      >
      > I am quite fond of CncPRO. I am frustrated that doug no longer feels
      > the need to answer questions posed directly to him on this forum,
      > which I think HE started! (I understand that he may not read it
      > everyday, but weeks have gone by with no response from him...)
      >
      > Master5 is as you say limited to 8192 steps/second. It ALSO runs
      > directly in windows without additional "hardware". Its successor,
      > Mach1, will not/does not have the same speed limitations. And the
      > user interface will be user-configurable!
      >
      > Furthermore, the Master5 CVV IS TRUE CVV, not a one-entity
      lookahead.
      > Most important, view the master5 group messages. Look at the time
      > frame between when a question is asked, and when Art himself answers
      > it!
      >
      > After all, the recent threads have been largely about whether this
      > was a "dead" program or not, And I'm NOT the one posting them...
      >
      > Hope this helps,
      >
      > Ballendo (saving a copy just in case)
      >
      > P.S. rather interesting to see a response to an "unlisted" message,
      > don't you think?
      >
      > --- In yeagerautomation@y..., "Rien Kleinjan" <rienkleinjan@s...>
      > wrote:
      > > I'm not only staring at the controls, i'm even trying to work with
      > master5 ! Master5 is not fast enough to do 4096 pulses/mm at
      > 1500mm/min and cncpro does !
      > > So if you think Master5 is better thats your choice.
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: ballendo
      > > To: yeagerautomation@y...
      > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:09 PM
      > > Subject: [yeagerautomation] Re: support cncpro (NOT)
      > >
      > >
      > > Don't worry?!?
      > >
      > > Saying you are supporting something and actually doing it are two
      > > different things...
      > >
      > > When we have had entire threads go by with no input from Doug
      > (even
      > > when he was specifically asked to comment), That is
      > NOT "support",
      > > IMO...
      > >
      > > Ballendo
      > >
      > > P.S. With respect to master5, try similar CVV dependent files on
      > > both. M5 CVV blows CncPRO away! As to the "look" of M5, the new
      > > version called mach1 will be configurable to support different
      > looks.
      > > Besides, its the guts that matter, IMO. Unless you are staring at
      > the
      > > control as you are making parts...
      > >
      > > --- In yeagerautomation@y..., "Rien Kleinjan" <rienkleinjan@s...>
      > > wrote:
      > > > Hello everyone,
      > > >
      > > > i just recieved a message from Doug Yeager that he is still
      > > supporting
      > > > cncpro. So don't worry......he is a busy man.
      > > > Some people talk about Master5 as an alternative for cncpro. I
      > did
      > > compare
      > > > the programs but i'm sorry for the users of master5.....it is
      > not
      > > that
      > > > profesional as it looks.
      > > >
      > > > Rien Kleinjan
      > >
      >
      **********************************************************************
      > *
      >
      > Randy,
      >
      > If by "rapiding" you mean an axis move with MDI, then there is an
      > easy explanation... The need for a jog routine to tightly integrate
      > itself with the keyboard; which a rapid move to a specific location
      > does not need. The extra "reads" of the keyboard status could easily
      > affect the sound you hear as the motor(s) move.
      >
      > Hope this helps,
      >
      > Ballendo
      >
      > In yeagerautomation@y..., Randy Gordon-Gilmore <zephyrus@r...>
      wrote:
      > <snip>
      > >But I found out that 20ipm jogging is not the same as 20ipm
      rapiding
      > >(I can hear the difference in the tone the motors make) I was never
      > >able to get an explanation from Doug about that.
      > <snip>
      >
      **********************************************************************
      > *
      >
      > Les,
      >
      > See my previous post to Randy re losing steps. If one does not use
      > the robotic-grade cable, AND if it is not constrained to a "rolling"
      > motion (using instead what wire mfrs. call "tick-tock", which is
      like
      > holding two ends of a loop and moving them together, apart,
      together,
      > apart, etc.); you may find wire failure as early as 15000 cycles.
      The
      > SAME cable properly used might make 300,000... a robotics-grade
      cable
      > might make 3 million cycles.
      >
      > Worth knowing, IMO,
      >
      > Ballendo
      >
      > --- In yeagerautomation@y..., "paladinironworks"
      > <paladinironworks@h...> wrote:
      > > Your lead screw is 20 TPI?
      > >
      > > Double check steps per inch.
      > >
      > > You should be able to cut .06 deep at about 3 IPM I would think in
      > > G10 Epoxy glass.
      > > I hope you get it going, I know the feeling, my plasma cutter
      > > started losing steps lately.
      > >
      > > Les
      >
      **********************************************************************
      > *
      >
      > Randy,
      >
      > Nearly all 3 axis controls default to xy plane for arcs (G17),
      BUT...
      >
      > Expressly STATING G17 IS good programming practice! It is part of a
      > standard safety block, as you surmised. A cnc control should
      > not "hiccup" on a G17... (so take it out if cncpro requires that you
      > do so, but keep the habit of including it so you won't be surprised
      > at other machines.)
      >
      > Hope this helps,
      >
      > Ballendo
      >
      > -- In yeagerautomation@y..., Randy Gordon-Gilmore <zephyrus@r...>
      > wrote:
      > > At 09:58 PM 4/29/02 -0400, Ron wrote:
      > >
      > > >I still don't understand why you are using G17.
      > > >There is nothing you describe to reguire it.
      > >
      > > OK, I'll leave it out. I thought that was a standard setup type of
      > > command... But the less things to go wrong, the better! :-)
      > >
      > > Best regards,
      > >
      > > Randy
      > >
      > > Randy Gordon-Gilmore ,----.___________ ______________
      > _________________
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