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From: B Degnan <billdeg@...>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 23:48:02
Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] Re: VCF exhibits / vendors
It is going to happen, vintage computing is going to split some time
soon into two generations. The 16/32 bit GUI era stuff will have a
separate place, just not sure how it will work. On one hand we have
pretty much covered the 70's stuff by now, very little new exhibits
this year of first-time never seen before at a VCF systems. On the
other hand, newer computers are less of a challenge, you rarely fix
the innards, it's not the same hacker thing, at least to me.
If you compare vintage computers to automobiles you can see how
eventually they let in newer and newer cars each year. In the shows
they section them like a giant dealership, with the really old ones
in one spot, the newer ones elsewhere. There are far more newer
ones. That's because there are always a few less of the older ones
each year. If we don't allow for some sort of evolution, eventually
we'll end up with fewer working systems to exhibit.
To Mike's comment
It's hard to justify (for me) classifying Amigas and Mac II's as OK
and not also early Windows (386 at least) boxes, but clearly these
are all next gen systems that have not been fully "vintage-ified"
yet. It's a conversation we have every so often, and no one person
is going to win their argument fully. Me? I welcome the opinions. I
also have been saving the newer stuff too. What's going to happen
eventually is that someone will organize a GUI-era vintage computer
show and the floodgates will open to a new subset of the hobby. And
that's where the younger people will come in as well.
I do not wish to have a *what* is vintage debate, what year,
etc. 16/32 bit computing is historic, it's just a question of how
does one fit it into our "8-bit centric is the heart of vintage
computing" world view. I have a feeling it will be a natural
progression, a little grumbling, and then life moves on.
At 11:11 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:
>:) and I'm even going to reply with a top post.------------------------------------
>I'm sure you'd be excited to see a Packard Bell Legend "Multimedia"
>486SX25 running windows 3.1 at a VCF :) It's at least 15 years vintage
>now. We'll even get some Grollier's Encyclopedia 2x CD-ROM action
>going. Get us some Prodigy dial up over quality built in 2400 baud
>On 5/31/2011 9:41 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
> >> I personally even believe at this point, early plain ol' x86
> >> hardware, MS-DOS, and Windows can be relevant as any other vintage
> >> computing.
> > Damn it Mike ... I wasn't mad before, but now .... !!!! ;)
>Yahoo! Groups Links
Yahoo! Groups Links
- Doh ... 'sent' my previous reply too soon ... thus an empty message.
>>> vintage computing is going to split some time soon into two generationsI disagree.
But I strongly agree that it's wise to get young people interested in computer history, and I'm proud of what MARCH has done toward that so far. Jeff F. and Matt are great examples, as is Alex P. who did the Hero robot exhibit. For audiences even younger than them, we're building the "recent history" museum exhibit this summer. And at several other events (such as Maker Faire, NJ Science Festival, etc.), we demo'd the "Shredz 64" game which kids love.
Sleep time now.
I hope by morning we're back to discussing on-topic things, such as why the Atari 1040ST was the first REAL microcomputer. ;)