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  • B. Degnan
    I agree that I hardly ever agree with anyone s opinion on this subject. Sorry I can t make it this weekend. Bill D.
    Message 1 of 59 , Dec 9, 2005
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      I agree that I hardly ever agree with anyone's opinion on this subject.

      Sorry I can't make it this weekend.

      Bill D.

      At 01:16 PM 12/9/2005 +0000, you wrote:
      >I'd like to debate how many angels dance on the head of a pin. I say 10.
      >
      >I mean no disrespect to anyone in MARCH, or your opinions which are valid
      >(well -
      >everyone but Evan's) **just kidding** ;).
      >But everyone seems to begin by agreeing that "Vintage" can't be defined,
      >and then proceed
      >to try to define it. It just reminds me of the Monty Python skit where the
      >guy goes in to the
      >business that is selling arguments.
      >None of us are going to give our opinion, and afterwords the rest will say
      >- "Aha! You are
      >right, THAT is what vintage is!" It all just hovers too close to being an
      >argument, instead of
      >a discussion.
      >
      >love you all,
      >-Jim
      >
      >
      >--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, "Evan" <evan947@y...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Your collection of "incompatibles", as I understand it, focuses on 8088,
      > > 8086, maybe some 80286 ... when I write about how "PCs" aren't part of our
      > > mission, I'm * not * talking about pre-286 ... I'm just talking about
      > > run-of-the-mill beige-box PCs. Maybe the real thread should be "what's a
      > > PC?" :)
      > >
      > > >>> bogus newsletter
      > >
      > > Bogus? Feel free to elaborate because I don't know what you are talking
      > > about.
      > >
      > > >>> who made... YOU an authority???
      > >
      > > Hey, I'm just trying to lead a club here. We're not censoring what people
      > > collect in their own time. Just saying that modern-era stuff (for example,
      > > anything that runs Windows 3.x or newer) is (quite bluntly) uninteresting,
      > > unrelated, and unwelcome.
      > >
      > >
      > > _____
      > >
      > > From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
      > > [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris M
      > > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:42 PM
      > > To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: RE: [midatlanticretro] The 'what's vintage' thread
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- Evan <evan947@y...> wrote:
      > >
      > > > >>>> Heretofore I've seen no good reasons except
      > > > that PC's along the years
      > > > have
      > > > become a commodity, sit on top of a desk LOL, all
      > > > run Windoze software, etc.
      > > >
      > > > Yup. And that they're just too freaking new and
      > > > boring. Anyone can collect
      > > > whatever they darn well please, but that doesn't
      > > > make the collections
      > > > appropriate for MARCH.
      > >
      > > Lovely language. PC's are as old as C64's, many
      > > Ataris, etc. Now we're back to age based criteria???
      > > What's the criteria for boring??? High-res graphics? A
      > > plethora of software in general, and languages to
      > > program in specifically? And who made MARCH, rather
      > > YOU an authority??? Just because you started a club,
      > > or put out this bogus newsletter lol, does not make
      > > you an authority on anything. And it amazes me how
      > > people think an item becomes INTERESTING simply when
      > > you attach a handle to it - like the 5155 that was
      > > appropriated for the museum the last time I checked.
      > >
      > > > >>>> or is it a reflection of the opinion of others?
      > > >
      > > > That's just insulting.
      > >
      > > You never gave ANY acceptable reasons, tried to drum
      > > up new schemes for validating elements of your
      > > collection, while invalidating others. And you were
      > > never even consistent. You even went as far as to tell
      > > me you WANTED me to have an exhibit of
      > > IBM-incompatibles. And you have to come back with the
      > > post on Monday. What's someone to conclude? You've
      > > been working real hard to weed out PC's and such.
      > > What's the reason? Don't come back with too new or
      > > boring either. They *were* business machines largely
      > > aimed at a business environment. If we're going to
      > > apply that criteria, many other things would also fall
      > > by the wayside.
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    • B. Degnan
      I agree that I hardly ever agree with anyone s opinion on this subject. Sorry I can t make it this weekend. Bill D.
      Message 59 of 59 , Dec 9, 2005
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        I agree that I hardly ever agree with anyone's opinion on this subject.

        Sorry I can't make it this weekend.

        Bill D.

        At 01:16 PM 12/9/2005 +0000, you wrote:
        >I'd like to debate how many angels dance on the head of a pin. I say 10.
        >
        >I mean no disrespect to anyone in MARCH, or your opinions which are valid
        >(well -
        >everyone but Evan's) **just kidding** ;).
        >But everyone seems to begin by agreeing that "Vintage" can't be defined,
        >and then proceed
        >to try to define it. It just reminds me of the Monty Python skit where the
        >guy goes in to the
        >business that is selling arguments.
        >None of us are going to give our opinion, and afterwords the rest will say
        >- "Aha! You are
        >right, THAT is what vintage is!" It all just hovers too close to being an
        >argument, instead of
        >a discussion.
        >
        >love you all,
        >-Jim
        >
        >
        >--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, "Evan" <evan947@y...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Your collection of "incompatibles", as I understand it, focuses on 8088,
        > > 8086, maybe some 80286 ... when I write about how "PCs" aren't part of our
        > > mission, I'm * not * talking about pre-286 ... I'm just talking about
        > > run-of-the-mill beige-box PCs. Maybe the real thread should be "what's a
        > > PC?" :)
        > >
        > > >>> bogus newsletter
        > >
        > > Bogus? Feel free to elaborate because I don't know what you are talking
        > > about.
        > >
        > > >>> who made... YOU an authority???
        > >
        > > Hey, I'm just trying to lead a club here. We're not censoring what people
        > > collect in their own time. Just saying that modern-era stuff (for example,
        > > anything that runs Windows 3.x or newer) is (quite bluntly) uninteresting,
        > > unrelated, and unwelcome.
        > >
        > >
        > > _____
        > >
        > > From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
        > > [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris M
        > > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:42 PM
        > > To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
        > > Subject: RE: [midatlanticretro] The 'what's vintage' thread
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > --- Evan <evan947@y...> wrote:
        > >
        > > > >>>> Heretofore I've seen no good reasons except
        > > > that PC's along the years
        > > > have
        > > > become a commodity, sit on top of a desk LOL, all
        > > > run Windoze software, etc.
        > > >
        > > > Yup. And that they're just too freaking new and
        > > > boring. Anyone can collect
        > > > whatever they darn well please, but that doesn't
        > > > make the collections
        > > > appropriate for MARCH.
        > >
        > > Lovely language. PC's are as old as C64's, many
        > > Ataris, etc. Now we're back to age based criteria???
        > > What's the criteria for boring??? High-res graphics? A
        > > plethora of software in general, and languages to
        > > program in specifically? And who made MARCH, rather
        > > YOU an authority??? Just because you started a club,
        > > or put out this bogus newsletter lol, does not make
        > > you an authority on anything. And it amazes me how
        > > people think an item becomes INTERESTING simply when
        > > you attach a handle to it - like the 5155 that was
        > > appropriated for the museum the last time I checked.
        > >
        > > > >>>> or is it a reflection of the opinion of others?
        > > >
        > > > That's just insulting.
        > >
        > > You never gave ANY acceptable reasons, tried to drum
        > > up new schemes for validating elements of your
        > > collection, while invalidating others. And you were
        > > never even consistent. You even went as far as to tell
        > > me you WANTED me to have an exhibit of
        > > IBM-incompatibles. And you have to come back with the
        > > post on Monday. What's someone to conclude? You've
        > > been working real hard to weed out PC's and such.
        > > What's the reason? Don't come back with too new or
        > > boring either. They *were* business machines largely
        > > aimed at a business environment. If we're going to
        > > apply that criteria, many other things would also fall
        > > by the wayside.
        > >
        > > __________________________________________________
        > > Do You Yahoo!?
        > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
        > > http://mail.yahoo.com
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > SPONSORED LINKS
        > > Vintage
        > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Vintage+computer&w1=Vintage
        >+computer&w2> =Computer+security&w3=Computer+training&w4=Field
        >+trip&c=4&s=84&.sig=yQK66sIa
        > > fWZWnP-61n_BTQ> computer Computer
        > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Computer+security&w1=Vintage
        >+computer&w> 2=Computer+security&w3=Computer+training&w4=Field
        >+trip&c=4&s=84&.sig=bvgAN5E
        > > Yj4oAGQSA29LvCw> security Computer
        > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Computer+training&w1=Vintage
        >+computer&w> 2=Computer+security&w3=Computer+training&w4=Field
        >+trip&c=4&s=84&.sig=E3VSZZU
        > > ZIYQJD2FP1DwFdw> training
        > > Field
        > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Field+trip&w1=Vintage
        >+computer&w2=Compu> ter+security&w3=Computer+training&w4=Field
        >+trip&c=4&s=84&.sig=6Bps2Ok95uCsZL
        > > SwdHWZfg> trip
        > >
        > > _____
        > >
        > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > * Visit your group "midatlanticretro
        > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro> " on the web.
        > >
        > >
        > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
        > > midatlanticretro-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:midatlanticretro-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
        > >
        > >
        > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
        > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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