RE: [midatlanticretro] What will you exhibit at VCF East 3.0 ?
- Oh, let's not get on THAT topic again. We don't want our list to become cctalk. ;)Some people started using "15-year-rule" a while ago to ensure that Windows 95 and the WWW do not become on-topic. Can't say I blame them...Other people (including me) prefer ditching the age-based criteria entirely and switching to a semantic definition. My version: "architecturally obsolete." So things that are very old but have the same basic architecture as modern versions (for example: early x86) do not qualify. Conversely, things that are relatively young but are architecturally obsolete do qualify (for example: Newton.)Did I miss something awhile back but has the age rule of thumb that
From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Christian R. Fandt
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] What will you exhibit at VCF East 3.0 ?
determines on-topicness, to coin a phrase, been changed from 10 years to a
15 year rule?
Regards, Chris F.
Upon the date 10:11 PM 12/4/2005, Sridhar Ayengar said something like:
> > I hate to bring this up, but... is 1992vintage?
>if it actually
>It doesn't fit the 15-year rule yet (although it might
>has a date of 1991), but the generation *just* before itis indeed a
>machine which I have. And it fits the 15-yearrule. It's virtually
>identical to this machine in execution, but itweighs *much* more and
>requires water cooling. Also, the CPU's takeclose to 20kW. It has a
>lot more processinghorsepower.
>Also, it would take a tractor-trailer to
>The other option would be just to bring a full-size VAX,
>definitely fits the 15-year rule. It wouldn't be nearly asinteresting
>Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt@...
Member of Antique Wireless Association
- I agree that I hardly ever agree with anyone's opinion on this subject.
Sorry I can't make it this weekend.
At 01:16 PM 12/9/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>I'd like to debate how many angels dance on the head of a pin. I say 10.
>I mean no disrespect to anyone in MARCH, or your opinions which are valid
>everyone but Evan's) **just kidding** ;).
>But everyone seems to begin by agreeing that "Vintage" can't be defined,
>and then proceed
>to try to define it. It just reminds me of the Monty Python skit where the
>guy goes in to the
>business that is selling arguments.
>None of us are going to give our opinion, and afterwords the rest will say
>- "Aha! You are
>right, THAT is what vintage is!" It all just hovers too close to being an
>argument, instead of
>love you all,
>--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Evan" <evan947@y...> wrote:
> > Your collection of "incompatibles", as I understand it, focuses on 8088,
> > 8086, maybe some 80286 ... when I write about how "PCs" aren't part of our
> > mission, I'm * not * talking about pre-286 ... I'm just talking about
> > run-of-the-mill beige-box PCs. Maybe the real thread should be "what's a
> > PC?" :)
> > >>> bogus newsletter
> > Bogus? Feel free to elaborate because I don't know what you are talking
> > about.
> > >>> who made... YOU an authority???
> > Hey, I'm just trying to lead a club here. We're not censoring what people
> > collect in their own time. Just saying that modern-era stuff (for example,
> > anything that runs Windows 3.x or newer) is (quite bluntly) uninteresting,
> > unrelated, and unwelcome.
> > _____
> > From: email@example.com
> > [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Chris M
> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:42 PM
> > To: email@example.com
> > Subject: RE: [midatlanticretro] The 'what's vintage' thread
> > --- Evan <evan947@y...> wrote:
> > > >>>> Heretofore I've seen no good reasons except
> > > that PC's along the years
> > > have
> > > become a commodity, sit on top of a desk LOL, all
> > > run Windoze software, etc.
> > >
> > > Yup. And that they're just too freaking new and
> > > boring. Anyone can collect
> > > whatever they darn well please, but that doesn't
> > > make the collections
> > > appropriate for MARCH.
> > Lovely language. PC's are as old as C64's, many
> > Ataris, etc. Now we're back to age based criteria???
> > What's the criteria for boring??? High-res graphics? A
> > plethora of software in general, and languages to
> > program in specifically? And who made MARCH, rather
> > YOU an authority??? Just because you started a club,
> > or put out this bogus newsletter lol, does not make
> > you an authority on anything. And it amazes me how
> > people think an item becomes INTERESTING simply when
> > you attach a handle to it - like the 5155 that was
> > appropriated for the museum the last time I checked.
> > > >>>> or is it a reflection of the opinion of others?
> > >
> > > That's just insulting.
> > You never gave ANY acceptable reasons, tried to drum
> > up new schemes for validating elements of your
> > collection, while invalidating others. And you were
> > never even consistent. You even went as far as to tell
> > me you WANTED me to have an exhibit of
> > IBM-incompatibles. And you have to come back with the
> > post on Monday. What's someone to conclude? You've
> > been working real hard to weed out PC's and such.
> > What's the reason? Don't come back with too new or
> > boring either. They *were* business machines largely
> > aimed at a business environment. If we're going to
> > apply that criteria, many other things would also fall
> > by the wayside.
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