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  • Dan
    Well, I have the 680(b) all disassembled now. I noticed a few things while I was taking this apart. Since the logo silkscreen is gone, I m still trying to
    Message 1 of 11 , Sep 3, 2005
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      Well, I have the 680(b) all disassembled now. I noticed a few things
      while I was taking this apart. Since the logo silkscreen is gone, I'm still
      trying to determine the model of this machine. My brother was trying some
      modifications that I didn't know about back then. So I have to try to revert the
      machine back to it's original state. The serial plate didn't survive the
      fossilization over the years(it's gone), so I can't determine what
      serial number for this. I still couldn't determine if this was a 680 or
      680b from the looking at the manual. When I was looking online, I found
      some references to S-100 boards that supposedly were made to plug into
      the 680b. But there's no place to plug in S-100 boards in this version
      that I have.
      here --->http://www.virtualaltair.com/virtualaltair.com/vac_boards.asp

      One thing I noticed after I took this part, the mainboard actually says
      this
      MITS 1976
      680 MAINBOARD REV 1-6x
      I hope somebody might be able to help identify this model. I'm thinking
      this is actually a 680 and not a 680b, am I right ?

      =Dan

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    • billdeg@aol.com
      From July 1976 on I believe they were the b s If your board had 1975 printed on it then I would be more confident that is was a non-b Another thing to
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        From July 1976 on I believe they were the "b's" If your board had 1975
        printed on it then I would be more confident that is was a "non-b"

        Another thing to check would be the monitor ROM, they were different in the
        two models. You might be able to get the model by looking up that chip. If
        you have BASIC for the 680, it may make mention in the documentation of the ROM
        monitor required, and from there you can infer the model.

        The main motherboard of the 680b will have a space at position L for a
        "Baudot serial" chip, look for a chip with 74LS74 on it. If you have this, it's a
        680b.

        I have an SWTPc 6800 which is similar to the 680, but not exactly. The 680
        used S-100 bus and the Altair has a A-50 (Altair custom 50) bus. You can load
        programs from the SWTPc onto the 680 with minor modifications (I have been
        told).

        Bill

        In a message dated 9/3/2005 9:14:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
        ragooman@... writes:

        > One thing I noticed after I took this part, the mainboard actually says
        > this
        > MITS 1976
        > 680 MAINBOARD REV 1-6x
        > I hope somebody might be able to help identify this model. I'm thinking
        > this is actually a 680 and not a 680b, am I right ?
      • Dan
        I couldn t tell which month in 76 this mainboard might have been made. Is yours a 608b too then ? I was hoping the Rev # would give a clue. The mainboard does
        Message 3 of 11 , Sep 5, 2005
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          I couldn't tell which month in '76 this mainboard might have been made.
          Is yours a 608b too then ? I was hoping the Rev # would give a clue. The
          mainboard does have a place for IC L (74LS74), but the socket is empty.
          So would the 680 version have a blank spot there w/o any traces ? I
          recall seeing pictures online of the early 680's with a beige front
          panel, mine isn't. I guess then this might be a 680b after all.

          I think my brother never ordered this with the Monitor Rom, because that
          socket is empty. The System Monitor manual still has the source code in
          there. The title in there mentions 680b Prom Monitor. I'll have to try
          and dig up some 1702 Roms and program some, I hope I get a good one.
          This might be a good time to build a rom emulator.

          I think I remember why now we had to build an ascii keyboard w/ parallel
          intfc for this. We didn't have a terminal back then to use if we had a
          Monitor Rom. So we had this wired up to the machine as an I/O port
          instead. Looking through some of the code listings on an old notepad, I
          found a code listing for a Monitor code which allowed us to read from
          the ascii keyboard. Basically, this code was modified from the original
          Monitor Rom and skipped over the ACIA serial chip instead and read from
          a memory-mapped I/O port.

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          billdeg@... wrote:

          > >From July 1976 on I believe they were the "b's" If your board had 1975
          > printed on it then I would be more confident that is was a "non-b"
          >
          > Another thing to check would be the monitor ROM, they were different
          > in the
          > two models. You might be able to get the model by looking up that
          > chip. If
          > you have BASIC for the 680, it may make mention in the documentation
          > of the ROM
          > monitor required, and from there you can infer the model.
          >
          > The main motherboard of the 680b will have a space at position L for a
          > "Baudot serial" chip, look for a chip with 74LS74 on it. If you have
          > this, it's a
          > 680b.
          >
          > I have an SWTPc 6800 which is similar to the 680, but not exactly.
          > The 680
          > used S-100 bus and the Altair has a A-50 (Altair custom 50) bus. You
          > can load
          > programs from the SWTPc onto the 680 with minor modifications (I have
          > been
          > told).
          >
          > Bill
          >
          >


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        • Dan
          An old buddy of mine gave me his Swtpc 6800 way back, actually 2 machines and a bunch of boards. I haven t turned it on since he had this running. This is
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            An old buddy of mine gave me his Swtpc 6800 way back, actually 2
            machines and a bunch of boards. I haven't turned it on since he had this
            running. This is another project I'll be working after the 680 gets
            done. I actually have a few machines that I dug out this summer, which
            should keep me busy through the winter. I brought out the 680,
            Swtpc(2x), Imsai, and the Heathkit H-8/H-9. Got my fingers crossed now

            =Dan

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            billdeg@... wrote:

            >
            >
            > I have an SWTPc 6800 which is similar to the 680, but not exactly
            >
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          • billdeg@aol.com
            Dan, I should say that I could be totally wrong...I don t have a 680, but I have seen in a couple here and there. I actually read about the B when reading up
            Message 5 of 11 , Sep 5, 2005
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              Dan,
              I should say that I could be totally wrong...I don't have a 680, but I have
              seen in a couple here and there. I actually read about the B when reading up
              on my SWTPc 6800. I can't remember exactly where. Definately the IC L was
              made with a blank on the "B" unless you added the optional serial ROM for the
              slot. I don't know if the non-B 680 would have the slot or not, but I would
              focus on that part of the card, try to find a schematic that compares the two to
              get your answer about the rev of your particulat 680.

              Bill D

              In a message dated 9/5/2005 8:56:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
              ragooman@... writes:

              > I couldn't tell which month in '76 this mainboard might have been made.
              > Is yours a 608b too then ? I was hoping the Rev # would give a clue. The
              > mainboard does have a place for IC L (74LS74), but the socket is empty.
              > So would the 680 version have a blank spot there w/o any traces ? I
              > recall seeing pictures online of the early 680's with a beige front
              > panel, mine isn't. I guess then this might be a 680b after all.
              >
              > I think my brother never ordered this with the Monitor Rom, because that
              > socket is empty. The System Monitor manual still has the source code in
              > there. The title in there mentions 680b Prom Monitor. I'll have to try
              > and dig up some 1702 Roms and program some, I hope I get a good one.
              > This might be a good time to build a rom emulator.
              >
              > I think I remember why now we had to build an ascii keyboard w/ parallel
              > intfc for this. We didn't have a terminal back then to use if we had a
              > Monitor Rom. So we had this wired up to the machine as an I/O port
              > instead. Looking through some of the code listings on an old notepad, I
              > found a code listing for a Monitor code which allowed us to read from
              > the ascii keyboard. Basically, this code was modified from the original
              > Monitor Rom and skipped over the ACIA serial chip instead and read from
              > a memory-mapped I/O port.
              >
              > =Dan
            • Dan
              There was somebody on the Altair Computer Club yahoo newsgroup that recently posted some links with pics for the internals of 680. I can see now how they added
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                There was somebody on the Altair Computer Club yahoo newsgroup that
                recently posted some links with pics for the internals of 680. I can see
                now how they added the expansion boards inside this little box.

                =Dan

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                billdeg@... wrote:

                > Dan,
                > I should say that I could be totally wrong...I don't have a 680, but I
                > have
                > seen in a couple here and there. I actually read about the B when
                > reading up
                > on my SWTPc 6800. I can't remember exactly where. Definately the IC
                > L was
                > made with a blank on the "B" unless you added the optional serial ROM
                > for the
                > slot. I don't know if the non-B 680 would have the slot or not, but I
                > would
                > focus on that part of the card, try to find a schematic that compares
                > the two to
                > get your answer about the rev of your particulat 680.
                >
                > Bill D
                >
                >


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              • billdeg@aol.com
                now there s a buddy! Sounds like fun. I use a Zenith c-19 terminal with my SWTPc @ 300 baud. Are you planning on doing a display table at VCF 3? Any one of
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                  now there's a buddy! 
                   
                  Sounds like fun.  I use a Zenith c-19 terminal with my SWTPc @ 300 baud.
                   
                  Are you planning on doing a display table at VCF 3?  Any one of those systems would be interesting to see in action.
                   
                  Bill
                   
                   
                   
                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Dan <ragooman@...>
                  To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:31:16 -0400
                  Subject: SWTPC 6800...e: [midatlanticretro] Which version is it, Altair 680 or 680b ?

                  
                  An old buddy of mine gave me his Swtpc 6800 way back, actually 2 
                  machines and a bunch of boards. I haven't turned it on since he had this 
                  running. This is another project I'll be working after the 680 gets 
                  done. I actually have a few machines that I dug out this summer, which 
                  should keep me busy through the winter. I brought out the 680, 
                  Swtpc(2x), Imsai, and the Heathkit H-8/H-9. Got my fingers crossed now
                  
                  =Dan
                  
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                  billdeg@... wrote:
                  
                  
                  > > > I have an SWTPc 6800 which is similar to the 680, but not exactly > >
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                • Dan
                  I m hoping I can use my Heathkit H-9 terminal for each of the machines. But I guess I ll have to find some more terminals if I want to make a display with
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                    I'm hoping I can use my Heathkit H-9 terminal for each of the machines.
                    But I guess I'll have to find some more terminals if I want to make a
                    display with several machines running.

                    I've never been to any of the VCF events. When I look at the VCF
                    website, I see there's a VCF 8 planned out in Cali. But I couldn't make
                    that one. Then I also heard about the VCF Midwest planned but that's not
                    mentioned on the website either. I heard from Evan there maybe a VCF
                    East ? I guess that's VCF East 3. But I don't see that mentioned on the
                    VCF website. This one would be closer for me if it's in NJ.

                    If the VCF East 3 is planned for the spring (after we thaw out) I could
                    make an effort to get there with a couple of machines. I'll have to see
                    how far I get with the machines I have here. I like to get Basic running
                    on some of the machines too. I'll keep you posted.

                    =Dan

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                    billdeg@... wrote:

                    > now there's a buddy!
                    >
                    > Sounds like fun. I use a Zenith c-19 terminal with my SWTPc @ 300 baud.
                    >
                    > Are you planning on doing a display table at VCF 3? Any one of those
                    > systems would be interesting to see in action.
                    >
                    > Bill
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: Dan <ragooman@...>
                    > To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:31:16 -0400
                    > Subject: SWTPC 6800...e: [midatlanticretro] Which version is it,
                    > Altair 680 or 680b ?
                    >
                    >
                    >An old buddy of mine gave me his Swtpc 6800 way back, actually 2
                    >machines and a bunch of boards. I haven't turned it on since he had this
                    >running. This is another project I'll be working after the 680 gets
                    >done. I actually have a few machines that I dug out this summer, which
                    >should keep me busy through the winter. I brought out the 680,
                    >Swtpc(2x), Imsai, and the Heathkit H-8/H-9. Got my fingers crossed now
                    >
                    >=Dan
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                    >billdeg@... <mailto:billdeg%40aol.com> wrote:
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                    >> I have an SWTPc 6800 which is similar to the 680, but not exactly
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                  • Evan
                    ... But I don t see that mentioned on the VCF website. This one would be closer for me if it s in NJ. Dan, I promise you that we ll host East 3.0 next spring!!
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                      >>> I heard from Evan there maybe a VCF East ? I guess that's VCF East 3. But I don't see that mentioned on the VCF website. This one would be closer for me if it's in NJ.
                      Dan, I promise you that we'll host East 3.0 next spring!!
                       
                      But before we add it to Sellam's site, we have to determine 1.) the date, and 2.) how we're going to pay for it.
                       
                      "Paying for it" is the reason why I'm gauging interest in holding a swap meet this fall, or better yet, having someone think of a much simpler way of fundraising.
                       
                      Any ideas?  Anyone?  Bueller...?
                       
                      We need to raise $1,000 or more, in order to rent tables and stuff, buy event insurance, do some advertising, etc. ... one aspect is that we'll add a simple "please donate" button when the new web site is ready and when we open a bank account.  John Allain (our webmaster) and Jim Scheef (our treasurer) are working on both projects.


                      From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan
                      Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:37 PM
                      To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: VCF...Re: SWTPC 6800...e: [midatlanticretro] Which version is it, Altair 680 or 680b ?


                      I'm hoping I can use my Heathkit H-9 terminal for each of the machines.
                      But I guess I'll have to find some more terminals if I want to make a
                      display with several machines running.

                      I've never been to any of the VCF events. When I look at the VCF
                      website, I see there's a VCF 8 planned out in Cali. But I couldn't make
                      that one. Then I also heard about the VCF Midwest planned but that's not
                      mentioned on the website either. I heard from Evan there maybe a VCF
                      East ? I guess that's VCF East 3. But I don't see that mentioned on the
                      VCF website. This one would be closer for me if it's in NJ.

                      If the VCF East 3 is planned for the spring (after we thaw out) I could
                      make an effort to get there with a couple of machines. I'll have to see
                      how far I get with the machines I have here. I like to get Basic running
                      on some of the machines too. I'll keep you posted.

                      =Dan

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                      billdeg@... wrote:

                      > now there's a buddy!

                      > Sounds like
                      fun.  I use a Zenith c-19 terminal with my SWTPc @ 300 baud.

                      > Are you planning on doing a display table at VCF 3?  Any one of
                      those
                      > systems would be interesting to see in action.

                      > Bill



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                      > From: Dan <ragooman@...>
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                      -0400
                      > Subject: SWTPC 6800...e: [midatlanticretro] Which version is it,
                      > Altair 680 or 680b ?
                      >
                      >
                      >An old buddy of mine gave
                      me his Swtpc 6800 way back, actually 2
                      >machines and a bunch of boards. I
                      haven't turned it on since he had this
                      >running. This is another project
                      I'll be working after the 680 gets
                      >done. I actually have a few machines
                      that I dug out this summer, which
                      >should keep me busy through the
                      winter. I brought out the 680,
                      >Swtpc(2x), Imsai, and the Heathkit
                      H-8/H-9. Got my fingers crossed now
                      >
                      >=Dan
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                    • Vintage Computer Festival
                      ... Serious question: are the links that hidden? It looks pretty obvious to me: you click on Events (there are at least two links on the main page). On the
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                        On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Dan wrote:

                        > I've never been to any of the VCF events. When I look at the VCF
                        > website, I see there's a VCF 8 planned out in Cali. But I couldn't make
                        > that one. Then I also heard about the VCF Midwest planned but that's not
                        > mentioned on the website either. I heard from Evan there maybe a VCF
                        > East ? I guess that's VCF East 3. But I don't see that mentioned on the
                        > VCF website. This one would be closer for me if it's in NJ.

                        Serious question: are the links that hidden? It looks pretty obvious to
                        me: you click on Events (there are at least two links on the main page).
                        On the events page, the current events are listed on the top and the past
                        events underneath.

                        VCF Midwest happened 6 weeks ago. VCF East 3.0 is still in the
                        pre-planning stages.

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                      • Dan
                        Oh I guess that s why I didn t see the Midwest event, it happened already. I was looking for a future date. Sorry about that. I ll keep waiting for the VCF
                        Message 11 of 11 , Sep 7, 2005
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                          Oh I guess that's why I didn't see the Midwest event, it happened
                          already. I was looking for a future date. Sorry about that. I'll keep
                          waiting for the VCF East 3 announcement.

                          =Dan

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                          Vintage Computer Festival wrote:

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                          > VCF Midwest happened 6 weeks ago. VCF East 3.0 is still in the
                          > pre-planning stages.
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