RE: [midatlanticretro] File - marchfaq.txt
- Why? It's who we are.Anyone's welcome here, of course, but if people start arriving from too far north, west, or south, they'll be gently nudged to classiccmp or other regional groups.Evan,
From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Jim Scheef
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: [midatlanticretro] File - marchfaq.txt
Stop thinking regional.
--- Evan <evan947@...> wrote:
> Will do, sorry. When I wrotethat, I was thinking of Connecticut as New
> England, notMid-Atlantic.
>[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Jim Scheef
> Sent:Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] File -marchfaq.txt
> Could we change "New York" to
>MARCH frequently asked questions
> >live somewhere between New York and Virginia, yet I
> > 1. I'm a nerd and
> > never heard ofyou before.
> >in early 2005.
> > That's because we are new. We began
> > 2. What does MARCH mean?
> > We're "Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists" -- an informal club
> > because of its technical superiority (LOL!)but because it is
> > accessible to the masses.have no officers and charge no dues, but not
> > 3. Just how informal?
> > Informal enough that we
> > so informal that welack a mission.
> > 4. What is this mission of which you
> >collectors, both offline
> > Our mission is simply to bring together local
> > and online, for fun and informationsharing.
> >junky 486 in my closet?
> > 5. By 'vintage' do you mean, like, this old
> >be the case, but for now, no. We mean the old
> > No. Someday that might
> > andnot-so-junky Apple II hidden behind your 486. We also mean your
> > Northstar Horizon, DEC PDP-11, Xerox Alto, Commodore Vic-20, and --saying
> > well you get the idea. There used to be "the 10 year rule"
> > "it's vintage if it's more than 10 years old" but now thatcould mean
> > Windows 95 and Pentiums, and we definitely do NOT meanthose.
> > Nowadays, "vintage" for computer collectors means(more or less)
> > anything from the pre-286 era. Well, a copyof Windows 1.0 is vintage
> > software I guess. But in general,if it runs Windows, we're not
> > interested. That is NOT afunction of being inherently anti-
> > Microsoft. It's a functionof Windows simply not being obsolete yet.
> > We can hope.;)
> >more about what's vintage?
> > 6. I still don't get it. Where can I learn
> >a copy of the book "Collectible Microcomputers"
> > Many places. Pick up
> > by MichaelNadeau. Or for non-micro aspects, go online. Heck, go
> >online anyway. Check out the classiccmp.org mailing lists; the
> > Vintage Computer Festival (vintage.org); old-computers.com; and many,buy/sell/trade old computers?
> > many, many others.
> > 7. Where can I
> >mid-Atlantic region, than please try the "Virtual
> > If you're in the
> > Swap Meet" tablein our Yahoo group database. Otherwise, try Sellam
> > Ismail'ssite ( http://vintagecomputermarketplace.org ) or Erik Klein's
> >interested in joining MARCH. How?
> > 8. Okay, let's say I am
> >friendly message to our boards introducing yourself.
> > Just post a
> > Includeyour name, where you're from in the region, and what you
> >collect. Presto! You're joined.
> >cool. So what do you geeks actually DO here?
> > 9. That's
> >We're currently figuring that out. Our first offline event was a
> > vintage computers exhibit at the 30th Trenton Computer Festival.College of
> > 10. What is the Trenton Computer Festival?
> > A 30-year-old show open to the public. It is held at The
> > New Jersey, formerly known as Trenton State College, inEwing, NJ.
> > This year it was on April 16-17. Please seetcf-nj.org for more
> > information.Who's me?
> > 11.
> >fellow big nerd. I'm in central NJ.
> > Sorry. I'm Evan Koblentz. A
> > You can reach meat evan947@....
> >else will MARCH do?
> > 12. Okay, ummm, so what
> >will probably have multiple swap meets. We
> > We have a few ideas. We
> > may be hostingfuture, regional iterations of the already famous
> > Vintage ComputerFestival. We might even run our own museum, in
> > conjunctionwith the NJ Antique Radio Club -- see infoage.org.
> >14. MARCH is primarily a Jersey thing?
> >just a coincidence. We have members all around, from
> > No. It's
> > upstateNew York to central Pennsylvania to Virginia. We will plan
> >our future events all over the area.
> >other question not on this FAQ.
> > 15. I have some
> >what it is. Do so again by posting to our message
> > Okay. Tell us
> > boards orpinging me offline.
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> * Visityour group "midatlanticretro
>* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> * Your use
> FAQ... Does anybody else do that or is it just me?When questions become ad nauseaum like they get on Classiccmp
sometimes, I will be adding and I hope others will add too submissions
to the FAQ.
- Heh ... I forgot to update the part that says "last updated"...
Subj: [midatlanticretro] File - marchfaq.txt
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2008 9:06 am
MARCH frequently asked questions -- last updated 3/30/2006
1. What is MARCH?
MARCH is a user group for people who enjoy using antique/vintage computers. Our
name is an acronym for Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists. Our club's legal
name has an "Inc." on the end because we're incorporated as a non-profit group.
2. I'm a nerd and live somewhere between Connecticut and Virginia, yet I never
heard of you before.
We began in early 2005 as a Yahoo discussion group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/), became an informal club in the springtime, and didn't become a legal entity until late in the year. Now it's 2008 and our ship is moving at full-steam! We also have a (simple) web site at www.midatlanticretro.org.
3. So I have to live in the Mid-Atlantic part of the U.S. to join?
Nope. That description just conveys where our members and activities are
concentrated. In fact, we have members from around the country. We have a few
more in the extremes of New Hampshire, Pittsburgh, and the Carolinas. But as I
said, we're mostly in a triangle between Connecticut, eastern Pennsylvania, and
Washington, D.C. ... our physical home is on the New Jersey shore.
4. Physical home? Huh?
That's right, we have a home of sorts. Our home is the InfoAge Science Center
(www.infoage.org) which is a non-profit science museum currently under
construction. MARCH is one of several groups residing there, and our job is to
run a computer museum on the premises. We are making steady progress on that. We're currently open in "beta" mode and we're planning a grand opening for the fall of 2008. Our initial exhibits will be: Computing of the Region; Computing of the Military; Microcomputers; and a "Best of the Rest" to show off our collection aspects which aren't yet ready for full exhibits. We'll also have a special exhibit area for our members to show their personal collections.
5. What else does MARCH do?
Lots of fun stuff. The most visible thing we do is maintain our Yahoo
discussion group. Activity-wise, our flagship event is the Vintage
Computer Festival East. Our first edition of that hobbyist convention (and the
third VCF East event overall) was in May 2006 at the InfoAge facility. VCF East 4.0 was conducted in June 2007. VCF East 5.0 will be in late summer or early fall 2008 (to be deterined). We also participate in the Trenton Computer Festival every April, and in the HOPE (Hackers on Planet Earth) conference, plus other minor events as they come up. In addition we offer an online inventory database to help you (and us) keep track our collections, but we need to be more active in using that ... you can help!
6. Okay, this all sounds interesting. So by "antique/vintage" do you mean my
old Pentium II?
No, we mean your old Altair, Apple II, Commodore, DEC PDP-8, Epson HX-20,
HP-1000, IBM PC, KIM-1... we could go through the alphabet a couple times but we
think you get the idea by now. We're interested in truly antique computers, not merely "used" computers.
7. I still don't get it. Where can I learn more about what's antique/vintage?
Many places. Pick up a copy of the book "Collectible Microcomputers" by Michael
Nadeau. Or for non-micro aspects, go online. Heck, go online anyway. Check
out the classiccmp.org mailing lists; the Vintage Computer Festival
(vintage.org); vintage-computer.com/vcforum, vintagecomputermarketplace.com,
old-computers.com; and many, many, many others. (If you're interested in specific machines, just post your question to our discussion list and we can refer you to the best sites.)
8. What's behind the scenes of this wacky endeavor?
We have some de facto officers; an official set of bylaws and all that boring
stuff is being worked on... we're just so busy having fun that we keep
procrastinating. The officers (i.e., those who were suckered into the gig) are
myself (Evan Koblentz - prez), Bill Degnan and Andy Meyer (VPs), Jim Scheef (treasurer), and John Allain / Bryan Pope (general helper-outers). The six of us take care of logistical crap so the members can have fun with everything else.
9. Members, hmm, is it like just you and two buddies?
We're much bigger than that! We have dozens of paid members, and 150+ on our discussion list.
10. Uh-oh, you said 'paid'... is that the catch?
Sort of. We realized early on that running a real club takes some money. To
help raise money, we ask members for a $20 donation or a board-approved
alternative. For now, alternatives include giving us good-quality folding
tables, doing some kind of work for our club which we'd otherwise have to pay
for, or being a minor. Anyway, this $20 situation is supposed to be a one-time
deal, but in real life, it may become an annual deal. But fear not: nobody *
has to * contribute anything. We offer some perks from time to time for the
paid members, but anyone can still participate in our group. Basically we're a
lot like shareware -- if you like what we do, then please help us pay our bills.
Of course, donations larger than $20 are always welcome, as are donations of
antique computers and various supplies for our museum.
11. So the club is entirely member-supported?
We raise money in other ways as well. For example, in the past we've rented
some antique computers to film companies as props, and we hope to make a few
dollars from hosting the Vintage Computer Festival and other events. In our
museum, we'll also sell t-shirts and such.
12. I have some other question not on this FAQ.
Okay. Tell us what it is. Do so again by posting to our message boards or
pinging me (evan@...) ... ask us anything, we're not shy! (And moreover, unlike some computer clubs, we're not cliquey. All are welcome here!)
13. What else should I know before diving in to MARCH?
If you're a nerd who thinks really old computers and their related technologies
were cool, then give MARCH a chance. You'll be glad you did. Also, if you were
wondering, we're NOT a bunch of old farts who sit around and whine about how
much better things used to be. Quite the contrary: we're a lot of young and
mid-life farts who ... ooooh maybe we said too much. :)
Yahoo! Groups Links
- evan@... wrote:
That said, the broad area of the bell curve starts with WWI
Presumably you meant WWII, not WW1. :)
Just depends upon if you are measuring out by one or two standard deviations.
--- On Sat, 8/1/09, B Degnan <billdeg@...> wrote:
From: B Degnan <billdeg@...>
Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] File - marchfaq.txt
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 3:37 PM
That said, the broad area of the bell curve starts with WWI
Presumably you meant WWII, not WW1. :)
> 11. Okay, this all sounds interesting. So by "antique/vintage" you mean
> Pentium II?HX-20,
> No, we mean your old Altair, Apple II, Commodore, DEC PDP-11, Epson
> HP-1000, IBM PC, KIM-1... we could go through the alphabet a coupletimes
> but we think you get the idea by now. We're interested in truly antiqueWWII
> computers, not merely "used" computers. Generally, we mean anything from
> through the mid-1980s.
- From: Evan Koblentz
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:23 AM
To: MARCH Yahoo Midatlanticretro
Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] File - marchfaq.txt
>> MARCH frequently asked questions -- updated August 1, 2009And who can count how many times Evan has said this ? ;)
>I should update this...
- firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
>VCF East 7.0 was in May 20011.Really!? ;)
- Evan,Frequently .Really?“details are frequently updated at http://www.vintage.org/2012/east/”Duane
MARCH frequently asked questions -- updated Feb. 27, 2012
1. What is MARCH?
MARCH is a user group for people who enjoy collecting, restoring, using, and exhibiting antique/vintage computers. Our name is an acronym for Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists. Our club's legal name has an "Inc." on the end because we're incorporated as a non-profit in New Jersey. However we do not yet have 501(c)3 tax status.
2. Cool, I have some old-school Pentium IIs, and even a 486!
Sorry, but that's not what we do. By "antique/vintage" we mean things that are far more historic. We start (with some exceptions) at the mid-1980s early GUI systems, go into early-1980s/late-1970s 8-bit microcomputers, back into mid-1970s homebrew kits and single-board computers, then find our way into 1970s/1960s minicomputers when "mini" meant as big as a desk or refrigerator. Finally, we're into mainframes of the 1950s and 1960s. Of course, we also focus on all sorts of books/magazines, cultural artifacts, I/O devices (teletypes, terminals) peripherals, software, storage hardware (keypunches, magnetic/paper tape, etc.), and everything from this realm. Not counting mathematical tools such as a slide rule, our oldest computer artifact is an IBM 082 punch card sorter, from 1948.
3. I'm a nerd and live somewhere between Connecticut and Virginia, yet I never heard of you before.
Andy Meyer reiterated his idea for a regional user group in the second half of 2004. Evan Koblentz started the Yahoo discussion group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/) in the beginning of 2005. MARCH became a legal entity later that year. Our expertise is technical, but we're not so good at marketing. Please help!
4. So I have to live in the Mid-Atlantic part of the U.S. to join?
Nope. That description just conveys where most of our members and activities are concentrated -- in the scalene triangle between Hartford, Pittsburgh, and D.C. -- but people from beyond these areas are certainly welcome to join us.
5. What does MARCH actually do?
In addition to the busy discussion list at our Yahoo group (more than 20,000 messages over six years and virtually no spam!), we also operate a bricks-and-mortar computer museum on the New Jersey shore. Currently our museum occupies almost 1,500 sq. ft. in a wing of the InfoAge Science Center, located in Wall Township, New Jersey
6. InfoAge Science Center? What's that?
7. InfoAge is a relatively new museum and 501(c)3 non-profit organization. Its construction began in the late 1990s and it opened in a "beta" mode in the mid-2000s. Its facility is a whole campus, not just one building. There is a very rich history here. The campus was built by the Marconi America Wireless Telegraphy Co. as a receiving station in 1912, was used as a communications laboratory by the U.S. Navy during WWI, and then was in private hands. It became a U.S. Army Signal Corps R&D lab just before WWII and remained so until
the 1990s. Congress decided to close the lab and sell the land. Instead, local historians recognized its history and formed InfoAge. Now the campus is on the National Parks Service's National Register of Historic Places. InfoAge is also a Black History Site and had several other federal designations related to its service before, during, and after WWII. Public hours are Sunday from 1pm to 5pm and other times by appointment. For more about the museum and campus history please visit www.infoage.org.
8. Okay, so back to this computer museum of yours. What's there?
Our museum has five exhibits: Mainframes, minicomputers, homebrew-era computers, business microcomputers, and consumer microcomputers. We have many ideas for more exhibits, and we plan to implement those ideas just as soon as we move from our current space on campus into a larger building next door. That could happen in another year or so.
9. Do the computers just sit there or can I use them?
We strive to restore our systems to operational condition. Some computers, especially the microcomputers, are relatively easy to restore and easy to replace if necessary. Others, such as our minicomputers, require a more serious effort. We make every effort to have these computers available for our members' use and to demonstrate them for visitors.
10. Can I help restore the computers?
Yes! Join our group, get to know us, and volunteer to help out.
11. What else does MARCH do?
Lots of fun stuff. In addition to our discussion list and our museum, we also host special events. Our flagship event is the Vintage Computer Festival East. Our first edition of this hobbyist convention was VCF East 3.0, in 2006, because the first two editions were run by a different organization. VCF East 4.0 was in June 2007; VCF East 5.0 was in Sept. 2008, VCF East 6.0 was in Sept. 2009, and VCF East 7.0 was in May 2011. The next edition, VCF East 8.0, is scheduled for May 5-6, 2012 -- details are frequently updated at http://www.vintage.org/2012/east/ and at http://wwww.facebook.com/vcfeast8.
We also produce smaller exhibits at other events such HOPE (Hackers on Planet Earth conference), NJ Science & Engineering Festival, Philadelphia Science Carnival, Trenton Computer Festival, and World Maker Faire. In addition, we have social events, tech days, museum days, a winter party, etc.
12. I still don't get it. Where can I learn more about what's antique/vintage?
Many places. Pick up a copy of the book "Collectible Microcomputers" by Michael Nadeau. Or for non-micro aspects, go online. Heck, go online anyway. Check out the classiccmp.org mailing lists; vintage-computer.com/vcforum, old-computers.com; and many, many, many others. (If you're interested in specific machines, just post your question to our discussion list and we can refer you to the best sites.)
13. What's behind the scenes of this wacky endeavor?
We have some de facto officers; an official set of bylaws and all that boring stuff is being worked on... we're just so busy having fun that we keep procrastinating. The officers are myself (Evan Koblentz - prez), Bill Degnan and Andy Meyer (VPs), and Justin Jernigan (treasurer).
14. Members? Is it like just you and two buddies?
We're much bigger than that! We have dozens of members, and around 300 people in our Yahoo group. Our youngest member is an 18-year-old college freshman who was valedictorian of his high school and received a major university scholarship to study computer science. Our oldest member is in his 80s and remains active in robot hacking and computer programming.
15. What's it cost to join?
Nothing. MARCH membership is free (as in beer).
16. So how do you fund the club?
Our primary fundraiser is the Vintage Computer Festival East, during which we sell tickets, exhibit space, and various items. We also have an annual donation drive. Sometimes we also rent artifacts for use at film/television props.
17. Can I make a donation of artifacts or funds?
Yes! Contact us first, and we'll make arrangements. Info is in the very next question of this FAQ.
17. I have a question.
Okay. Reach out to us! Do so by posting to our message boards or pinging me (mailto:evan%40snarc.net / phone: 646-546-9999) ... ask us anything, we're not shy! (And moreover, unlike some computer clubs, we're not cliquey. All are welcome here!)
18. What else should I know before diving in to MARCH?
If you're a nerd who thinks really old computers and their related technologies were cool, then give MARCH a chance. You'll be glad you did. Also, if you were wondering, we're NOT a bunch of old farts who sit around and whine about how much better things used to be. Quite the contrary: we're a bunch of young and mid-life farts who ... ooooh maybe we said too much. :)
19. What is your web site?
We're at www.midatlanticretro.org.
20. Why does your web site suck?
Its simplicity is by design.
>> Frequently .Really? “details are frequently updated at http://www.vintage.org/2012/east/%e2%80%9dThanks for noting that. I will fix it.