1057RE: [midatlanticretro] what is considered a vintage apple computer?
- Aug 1, 2005Mark,>>> Can you imagine the value of the very first IBM PC?We certainly can, and it's not high as you might think. The original IBM PC - aka the Model 5150 - is worth about $50-$150 depending on condition, according to Mike Nadeau's book "Collectible Microcomputers". The book is a year or two old, but the price is fairly steady.I believe most people in the PS/2 universe, and elsewhere in x86-land, still consider themselves "users" more than "collectors".An original PS/2 - which I hope you're not paying any more than about $50 for in great condition - might be considered really vintage and collectible in another couple of years for its 20th anniversary.- EvanIn <f5.5675a1db.301d776f@...>, on 07/30/05 at 08:38 PM,
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Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] what is considered a vintage apple computer?
>The last vintageApple was the IIGS. There is no such thing as a vintage
>MAC. Andwhile we're at it, the IBM AT or newer is not vintage, any
>Amigas arenot vintage. It does not matter how many years go by, MAC's
>will never be vintage computers. There is no slidingtime scale where
>each year a new set of machines becomesvintage. In short, the vintage
>era ended for new machinemodels that were first released no later than
>1987, and mostlybefore 1985.
>That does not mean that I don't save newerinteresting computers however,
>I just don't call them"vintage".
>Will the 1987 Plymough Sundance become a vintage carsomeday? I think
>not.am standing behind the chicken wire so
>And for making such statements I
>feel free to throw your beerbottles at will. I expect differences in
>opinion.you very much.
Though I agree there that a lot of stuff out there will never be of great
value, I wouldn't discount all IBM stuff. I remember the guy who wrote
the original documentation for the original IBM PC. They gave him the
very first PC ever made to write it on. I asked what happened to that
machine and he said he didn't know, but assumed it was junked when they
replaced it with a newer model. Can you imagine the value of the very
first IBM PC? I know you said AT or newer, but there are some machines
after that that also might be of interest to collectors.
There is a very active group of IBM PS/2 collectors. They fiercely defend
the PS/2 as one of the best computers ever made. I'm not a collector
myself, but those machines were definitely better built than anything that
has come since. I'm about to acquire an IBM PowerPC PS/2 machine from the
mid-90s, which was when IBM and Apple were still collaborating on what was
viewed as the replacement for the Intel based PCs. It was supposed to run
IBM OS/2 and Apple's MacOS on the same hardware. That particular product
line pretty much died before it was birthed, so there are only a few of
the original CHRP machines around, and though IBM officially released OS/2
Warp Power PC, they buried it so deep that it was almost impossible to
get. So you can readily locate PowerPC machines today (IBM still uses PPC
chips in its AIX, AS400 and I'm told some mainframes, Apple is still using
PowerPC in their Macs, until they switch to Intel sometime later this
year, also most game systems use PPC CPUs like the GameCube and the
Playstation), these original machines should be highly valued.
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