1049RE: [midatlanticretro] what is considered a vintage apple computer?
- Aug 1, 2005>>> Maybe we need a new category for "pioneer" computers made before 1980...Ugh, no no no no no. I agreed mostly until this sentence.For the purpose of our hobby, "vintage" implies being synonomous with "collectible". No special categories are needed; that is how we get David G.'s PDP-8 and Bill D.'s Commodore stuff and my Psion 1 into the same room and tell attendees it's all the same hobby. Of course they're all different categories of computing technology, but equally "vintage". It's just a matter of personal and subjective preferences.You're right that the Deskpro 386, PS/2, and even Windows NT were rather unique when new, but I don't believe they are obsolete enough. Let's ask again in five or ten years. :)From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Jim ScheefBill, Evan, all,
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:04 AM
Subject: RE: [midatlanticretro] what is considered a vintage apple computer?
Here's my vintage philosophy. You can only accept it as I'm not changing. To
me, "vintage", in the context of computers, means something "old" (already a
relative term), obsolete by "current" (another relative term) standards and
unique in some way (totally subjective) when it was new. (Yes, I'm borrowing
from Evan here.) There can be no fixed definition. Vintage is whatever you
believe it to be.
I apply 'vintage' to software as well as hardware. By my standards, there are
'vintage' versions of Windows. Any version of Windows running in "real" mode
is definitely 'vintage'. I once had Windows 3.0 running in real mode on an HP
200LX palmtop. This was really cool, but my stock 200LX is too slow for
serious use. A cottage industry grew up around the HP palmtops (95LX, 100LX
and 200LX) with all sorts of special software plus hardware memory and speed
upgrades that made runnning Windows almost feasible! Of course the next
problem was application software to run under real mode Windows, but that's
Now the HP palmtops are definitely vintage even though the 95LX was
introduced in 1991. Today the HP palmtops are just as vintage as their
ancestor, the HP-75C from 10 years earlier. The software vendors supporting
the HP palmtops were the same phenomenon as what grew up to support the Radio
Shack M100 in the 80's and no one would argue that the M100/M200 and the
software written for them are not vintage. [The M600 was so unique it is a
great example of how Tandy managed to shoot themselves in the foot.]
So is a Compaq Deskpro 386 vintage? Sure! It's old, it's obsolete and it was
unique when it was introduced! It's vintage status was quaranteed when Compaq
beat IBM to the marketplace with a 386-based PC. But is it collectible? No,
Next: Are IBM PS/2's vintage? Sure! The Microchannel architecture guarantees
their status as vintage for being IBM's biggest flop. What about Windows NT
3.1? It broke new ground on the PC with a design based on VMS.
Maybe we need a new category for "pioneer" computers made before 1980...
--- Evan <evan947@...> wrote:
> See, I don't know if you are kidding again ... but Ichallenge anyone TO*
> bring it up again if they've got a betterdefinition ... because the one I
> gave just barely works. Thequalifier: no years-based solutions allowed.
>you have a better solution, bring it up on classiccmp, not here.
> *Also, if
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