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  • Mike Doran
    I just caused a huge amount of controversy at Storm2k bb. Not flaming or anything like that. Simply stating the theory discussed at our club. Posters lied
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      I just caused a huge amount of controversy at Storm2k bb.

      Not flaming or anything like that. Simply stating the theory
      discussed at our club. Posters lied about what I wrote, and
      complained to the admin, and my posts were deleted--TWICE. We
      weren't posting on other threads--simply made a thread on space
      weather and the fur flied. Ten times the heat and passion compared
      to the debate between the warmers and fake skeptics.

      There was a poster their named Jim Hughes who has a theory that when
      the solar winds drop below 500 tropical formations occur. I
      explained why and it drove the barotropic thinkers nuts. Here is
      some of that conversation (lucky I saved it):


      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/methanehydrateclub/message/2477


      The kiss of death to the thread occurred when a respected but
      ignorant baratropic posters there posted this:

      Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:51 am

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      Mike Doran wrote:
      x-y-no wrote:

      "Then we have Mike Doran's posts, which I can't make any coherent
      sense of. It appears he's got some variant of the Gaia hypothesis
      going, but what it's all about I can't divine.

      Jan "

      And part of my reply back to him was:

      "Well then we are even. Because you refuse to state what it is you
      cannot 'divine', I cannot communicate with you. This is about the
      same as blaming yourself for my ignorance, and it is equally
      insulting."

      And the reply that ended the thread, that had about a thousand hits
      in a day:

      "LOL! I stated quite clearly what it is I can't divine: any coherent
      hypothesis on your part. I'm sorry if it insults you for me to say
      this, but you're just tossing out all kinds of stuff, some valid,
      much not valid (for example the false notion that there is large
      electric charge separation in hurricanes, or the odd notion that "
      the ocean below the tropical storm provides a conductive area where
      opposing charges are held on the ocean surface" when clearly a more
      conductive condition would dissipate charge separation) and then
      assert that this supports something or other.

      I'm sure there are people in this forum, myself included, who would
      be willing to help you think rigorously about the electrical
      properties of weather systems, if that's what you want to do. But the
      approach you are using so far just won't cut it. "

      Since there may be some confusion here that on the barotropical
      poster which is difficult to fanthom anywhere, I will explain why
      what he is saying is false and misleading.

      Let's start with the assertion that I said that there are charge
      separations in hurricanes. That is patently false. Charge
      separations that increase the positive potential in the ionosphere
      occur from strikes, largely over the terresphere from thunderstorms.
      Hurricanes that are well organized have few strikes. The positive
      potential in the ionosphere is merely organized in the conductive
      ionosphere and couples with the ocean in a capacitive manner. Here
      representative is a static field diagram of this. Note that no
      current is flowing is pictured flowing from ionosphere to ocean, and
      it does not depend on strikes in the hurricane. Movement of the
      hurricane causes current movement in the ionosphere and ocean, not
      between the ionosphere and ocean:


      IONOSPHERE

      ....................-..............-
      .....................\............/
      ......................\........../
      .......................v .......v
      ........................^......^
      .........................\..../
      ..........................\../
      ..........................+.+
      ....- -----><----- + - + -----><----- -
      ............................+
      ............................|
      ............................|
      ............................v
      ............................^
      ............................|
      ............................|
      ............................-
      ATLANTIC SURFACE

      ....................+..............+
      .....................\............/
      ......................\........../
      .......................v .......v
      ........................^......^
      .........................\..../
      ..........................\../
      ..........................-.-
      ...+ -----><----- - + - -----><----- +
      ............................-
      ............................|
      ............................|
      ............................v
      ............................^
      ............................|
      ............................|
      ............................+
      Ionosphere Ocean Capacitive Coupling above Eye:

      ............................+..-..+
      ............................|..|..|
      ............................|..|..|
      ............................v..v..v
      ............................^..^..^
      ............................|..|..|
      ............................|..|..|
      ............................-..+..-


      Finally, the notion that the more conductive the virtual capacitor
      that a hurricane is, that this "would dissipate charge separation" is
      absurd. Indeed, capacitors are made of conductive material so that
      the magnetic field lines can more easily move the charges into
      equilibrium or magnetic stability. Perhaps the most famous example
      of this is the ark of the covenant mentioned in the bible. It was
      covered with gold--and gold is HIGHLY conductive.
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