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  • mike@usinter.net
    Recently there was a story on a model showing declining ice along the Cascades and I want to pass a couple of thoughts. First, these models are basically
    Message 1 of 1 , Feb 15, 2004
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      Recently there was a story on a model showing declining ice along the
      Cascades and I want to pass a couple of thoughts. First, these models
      are basically junkscience because they don't couple cloud behaviors,
      missing substantially what the biosphere does and what EMFs do to
      cloud behaviors. That said, there was a Stanford study that basically
      said that the glaciers along the West Coast are in decline. This is
      not a model but an observation.

      I have meantioned with interest that the leading scholar who
      advocates climate "flip flops" is none other than a brain
      evolutionist out of U. Washington named William Calvin. He is a
      prolific writer. Neo glacials have commenced most recently along the
      Cascades, so just by history this is a place to watch.

      Let me discuss in a nutshell two possible mechanisms. One is the fact
      that as the oceans warm one of the prime currents by Alaska is a
      counter currrent. That is, its induction direction is such that it
      negates a displacement current from ionosphere to ocean, which causes
      cirrus or ice in clouds to elongate and find difficulty forming
      relative to clouds not so elongated. Okay. So here is the flip flop
      or the paradox. As oceans become warmer, they paradoxically will
      induct more both for and againce a capactive displacement current.
      Therefore, along the Alaskan counter cirrus may form explosively and
      at the same time north and south of the counter no clouds can form at
      all, allowing heat to escape out into space. The fundimental cause of
      this would be the oceans warming enough to become more conductive and
      for the induction differences, relative to one another, to begin to
      influence the cloud microphysics.

      The other significant problem would be the meandering of the earth
      EMF or the outright loss of it, with loss of atmosphere and a wholly
      changing earth climate dynamics.

      Now, both of these kinds of changes occur naturally. The recent Dane
      research on cosmic ray flux is one such forcing that changes the
      dynamic such. The orbital changes in the moon can cause roiling
      patterns that upset this balance. Even some changes in solar cycling
      can cause some changes--IMHO having less to do with major climate
      chances except on longer timescales due the the primary forcing about
      amplification, not signal, where solar electrical and radiative
      forcings are less significant than how the clouds behave to captures
      and modulate these signals.

      That said, the complexities of climate are modulated by the
      biosphere. And that is where the primary changes are occurring from
      human activity--these are global biological changes that are afoot.
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