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Re: [Methane Hydrate Club] Re: More cosmic ray spin

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  • mike
    It wasn t linked but sent to an email group from a published climate author who is a decidely exrtreme right wing butt boy. The right is trying to spin cosmic
    Message 1 of 7 , Jul 6, 2003
      It wasn't linked but sent to an email group from a published climate
      author who is a decidely exrtreme right wing butt boy. The right is
      trying to spin cosmic rays into the very chaos then, chaos now, burn
      fossil fuels argument that gives you pause.

      But the problem is thus--even though you can do a probability analysis on
      the 1998 El Nino and say it was a 500 year event and then say we have
      them--climate is chaotic and this is within a range of things that
      happen, given the CONTEXT of chaotic stimulas that exist at this time,
      and the MECHANISMS I have been discussing, this is about a defect in
      feedback loop.

      Many of the studies I have pointed to by means of forming a
      circumstantial case of human caused climate change begin to sound
      overwhelming by volume and weight. Studies on near major rivers
      rainfall, which show increases since the century turn, is an example. Or
      the dropping ionosphere. Or the shrinking earth EMF. Or the WAY that
      antarctica's temperature profile has change, warmed in some places and
      cooled in others. And on and on. These changes are NOT consistant with
      just solar or moon orbital or any other changes--but they ARE consistant
      with ELECTRICAL forcings and cloud dynamics as impacted by CO2 as an
      ELECTRICAL ingrediant.

      I will argue this all day, because I know more broadly and in more detail
      what the evidence is for global electrical change.

      Of course the sun is a source of chaotic change that the biosphere must
      adapt to. Same w/ cosmic rays. BUT, when you are hot, you sweat. When
      you are VERY hot, you sweat a lot. When cold, you shiver. When very
      cold, you shiver alot. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to not drink
      water when you are hot or drink ice cold water when you are cold.
      Biological systems cannot be viewed the same way you look at pure
      physical systems.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: "David" <b1blancer1@...>
      To: methanehydrateclub@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 04:47:17 -0000
      Subject: [Methane Hydrate Club] Re: More cosmic ray spin

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      > > The 1998 El Nino, for instance, followed Pinatubo, which both
      > supplied <BR>
      > > cold conditions for upwelling but also produced the SOx particles
      > that <BR>
      > > would reduce phase change tempertures of cirrus, which again would
      > hve <BR>
      > > dropped SSTs momentarily.  Once extreme things occur, 
      > and a biological <BR>
      > > system can no longer mudulate, you get chaotic looking
      > behaviors.  That <BR>
      > > is why 1998 put mankind on notice--not because we have had similar
      > warm <BR>
      > > spells or not in the past,  but because it is  a sign of
      > a living <BR>
      > > feedback loop out of kilter.<BR>
      > > <BR>
      > <BR>
      > But that's the part I don't understand, Mike.  Extreme changes
      > HAVE<BR>
      > occurred in the past, and things turned out just fine!  Obviously
      > you<BR>
      > can't go TOO far into the past, because the land masses weren't in
      > the<BR>
      > same place that they are now, so things would of course work far<BR>
      > differently.  However, just looking at the past million years or
      > so,<BR>
      > you see some pretty significant changes as the Earth cycled into
      > and<BR>
      > out of ice ages.  SOMETHING caused those climate shifts, Mike, and
      > it<BR>
      > certainly wasn't anything man was doing.  That's the point I'm
      > trying<BR>
      > to make here.  Climate changes are part of Earth's past. 
      > There is no<BR>
      > disputing that.  Therefore, I still don't see how anybody can
      > say<BR>
      > conclusively that any warming we might be experiencing now is as a<BR>
      > result of man's activities.<BR>
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