Re: [Methane Hydrate Club] The Cause of Tornadoes.
- I would be interested in seeing your reference regarding oil rigs
being hit by lightning or tornadoes more than any other similar
structure - other than they are tall metal structures extending up
above a flat open surface in Tornado Alley. Like any other tall
building, lightning is a threat but I do not believe oil rigs are hit
--- In methanehydrateclub@y..., foryeshua1@j... wrote:
> It is based upon the fact that drilling for oil would not have been
> to be done if they didn't find out what was causing their drilling
> to be hit directly by lightening and twisting tornados. This is a
> One prima facia fact which is enough to establish any proof. Walter
> On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:37:49 -0000 fredwx <no_reply@y...>
> You said "Knowing that tornados are caused by discharge is a really
> important fact." - What do you base this on?
> --- In methanehydrateclub@y..., foryeshua1@j... wrote:
> > Kirk, When oil drilling rigs were first being tried they were
> > by two things. Ligntening burned them, and tornadoes twisted
> > shreds. They were afraid that for a while they could not
> > problems. They then found that when they insulated the drilling
> > both problems were stopped. The only problem is that they didn't
> > that information they found to explain and understand what caused
> > lightening and tornadoes. The culprit is electrical discharge
> > ground through the funnel to the clouds and into the jet stream
> > What demands the flow is the current in the jet stream. Acting
> like a
> > siphoning hose the flow of current goes along well when its
> > cloud and storms are over well conducting land and the discharge
> > smooth or building, but when one or some of the storms feeding
> > stream are pulled over nonconductive places, the jet stream sucks
> on the
> > path demanding more as it is being forced to slow down its flow.
> > causes a sort of jump demand on areas that are potential sources
> > discharge. This jump demand bring into place pathways of
> > the flow to go through. All of this is weather related because
> > observed the high air and low air and the fronts that have to come
> > together to provide the right demands for electrical discharge of
> > Solar Electrojet Current.
> > The display of tornadoes in the North East was caused I
> > by a network of chem trails which laid a completely total net of
> > discharge pathways over all of the area. This net was used by
> SE to
> > discharge into causing tornadoes over the whole area just like
> > stream, when it starts to run out of flow power it jump starts
> > possibly able to provide that discharge. The net caused a hook
> of a
> > huge area of potential discharges. This phenomena could not have
> > happened in the natural because no storm sets up such a totally
> > net of discharge potential pathways.
> > Knowing that tornados are caused by discharge is a really
> > important fact. This information could be used to provide
> > discharge which could be harnessed to be used for a power source
> > man's needs. Tornados only can occur at places capable of
> > discharge. Badlands are caused by tornado after tornado digging
> > and again on places that have mineral connections or wet
> > enable discharge pathways for the SE. Studying tornados with
> > things in mind can give us ways to control tornados in specific
> > Small towns hit by destroying tornados, can be tornado proofed by
> > a well grounded pathway through a playground path through the
> > that if any tornado wants SE through its houses, it will have
> > pathways of conductance through the better conductor that is in
> > Electricity always takes the path of best conductance or least
> > resistance in the presence of pressing charges. I outlined this
> > information years ago and it has been totally ignored. Its like
> > insurance companies don't want people to not have a reason to buy
> > policies. When if people have access to information about tornado
> > activity in their areas and know how to stay away from building
> > that act as conductors for tornados, like railroad rails through
> > that will only use them for conductors to any storm that might
> > enough to demand SE through them. Each situation can be analyzed
> > protection from tornado destruction can be provided by simply
> > the rules of insulating and conductance to provide safety places
> for man
> > and his buildings. A problem of course in this method is that
> seeing the
> > whole picture of what happens when storms pass over different
> places in
> > given areas, is a many splendered problem. Many variables are
> > and it is likely that errors of thinking through what will happen
> > occur. However the task of doing the analyzing is a beginning
> > in the long run protect what man doesn't want destroyed. The
> > all electrical and are very basically simple.
> > Many meterologists have tried to understand Tornados, but
> > they really don't know the basic principles involved, their
> analysis have
> > ended up with no basic reasonings with have given man controlling
> > answers. If people would have given the tornado stopping, when
> > were drilled as they were insulated from the surrounding layers of
> > conducting minerals that were being drilled through, the same
> amount of
> > effort as the weather men have, we certainly ought to have solved
> > problem by now.
> > I thought I had covered this topic on my web site.
> > Http://www.vorbitz.com/electrojet If anyone has specific
> questions I
> > would be glad to share my opinions. Dr. Walter O. Peterson
> > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 02:48:44 -0600 "kirk" <kirk@3...> writes:
> > Opinions?
> > Kirk
> > http://nov55.com/tor.html
> > The Cause of Tornadoes
> > Tornadoes are caused when a cloud of the right size precipitates
> > releasing heat, which causes it to rise and creates a vacuum
> > Air
> > rushing under it creates the vortex.
> > As much as tornadoes have been studied, and as obvious as the
> physics is,
> > the weather predictors still don't have it figured out. Only newly
> > forming
> > rain clouds can create tornadoes, yet tornado warnings are always
> > for
> > old clouds.
> > It is known that a sudden drop in air pressure precedes
> > pressure drop is caused by a cloud near the ground rising rapidly
> > creating a
> > partial vacuum below it.
> > Precipitation releases as much heat as evaporation absorbs. But
> > precipitation tends to be much faster than evaporation. So a very
> > amount of heat is released when a cloud precipitates.
> > Heat of course causes air to rise. When a cloud near the ground
> rises, it
> > creates a partial vacuum under it.
> > The cloud must be the right size for a tornado to occur. A very
> > cloud
> > would not precipitate uniformly, so the whole cloud would not
> > once.
> > A very small cloud would not produce enough precipitation or heat
> > create
> > a large enough vacuum for a tornado to form.
> > Also, the height from the ground would be important, because the
> speed at
> > which the air moves in rushing under it will depend upon the
> > space
> > below the cloud.
> > These dynamics only exist during the first few minutes of the
> > of a
> > heavy cloud. Older clouds precipitate gradually and higher in the
> air, so
> > no
> > vacuum is created.
> > Modern doppler radar substantiates this point. When a tornado is
> > reported,
> > doppler radar shows that a new cloud formed out of nowhere where
> > tornado
> > was said to be.
> > Therefore, if people are to be warned in advanced, it has to be
> > area
> > where clouds are expected to form but have not yet appeared.
> > It might be possible to prevent a cloud from creating a tornado by
> > seeding
> > part of it, so it precipitates prematurely and nonuniformly. But
> the time
> > factor would be a problem in locating a newly forming cloud.
> > Cumulous clouds will not create tornadoes, because they dissipate
> > continuously, and they precipitate too high in the air. A tornado
> > has
> > to form rapidly and dissipate its energy all at once. This occurs
> > hot,
> > humid air hits colder air. A typical example is gulf air turning
> > and
> > colliding with other air over Arkansas. In the northern plains,
> > usually form more gradually and dissipate energy through cumulous
> > formations.
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- I am no expert on the subject. However I have read the Lindzen, Fu
and Hartmann papers and think I know enough to apply EMFs to the
cloud dynamics via cirrus IR forcings in a meaningful manner.
Even if high clouds lead to relative heat stability heat loss leads
to cooling, more dense and falling air. RELATIVELY speaking, the
contrasts create instability.
--- In methanehydrateclub@y..., fredwx <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> All clouds block the escape of infrared radiation. Net warming of
> below cirrus clouds would tend to make the air more stable, not
> Cirrus clouds are not very effective at blocking sunlight so most
> the solar energy still reaches the ground allowing heating at low
> levels to occur and thus rising air (as in fair weather). However,
> that air rises it now will be moving into an environment that is
> as cold at higher levels than without the cirrus cover. (Cirrus
> blocking infrared radiation as you said allowing the air below the
> clouds to warm). I would submit that this might tend to inhibit
> vertical motion, not enhance it.
> --- In methanehydrateclub@y..., "Mike Doran" <mike@u...> wrote:
> > Cirrus trap infra red radiation. Underneath that means warming
> > a rising air mass and to the surface a low.
> > Fair weather allows heat easily to escape to space. Without the
> > updraft, gravity pulls the air down, with no rising vacuum impact
> > high pressures form.
> > --- In methanehydrateclub@y..., fredwx <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > <<The issue here is cirrus clouds, because they vary upper
> > > atmospheric heat values bigtime and create movements of that
> > or
> > > instability.>>
> > >
> > > Just how do the cirrus clouds vary upper atmospheric heat
> > big
> > > time or create movements of air or instability?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In methanehydrateclub@y..., "Mike Doran" <mike@u...> wrote:
> > > > --- In methanehydrateclub@y..., "David" <b1blancer1@e...>
> > > > > Well said, Fred. To make a thunderstorm, you need three
> > things :
> > > > > heat, moisture, and an unstable atmosphere.
> > > >
> > > > The issue here is cirrus clouds, because they vary upper
> > > atmospheric
> > > > heat values bigtime and create movements of that air, or
> > > instability.
> > > >
> > > > Doran waves travel much faster then a frontal system. They
> > travel
> > > > faster then 'heat'.
> > > >
> > > > A thunderstorm in Texas has EMF implications for one in Iowa,
> > > > hence convective implications. Therefore the daily heating
> > > > cooling has timing implication feedbacks, re-enforcing time
> > day
> > > > activity.
> > > >
> > > > But if a hurricane landfalls during the night, the Doran
> > and
> > > > rain pay little attention to what the ionsphere is doing,
> > or
> > > > contracting.
> > > >
> > > > We see what we want to see, hear what we want to hear. The
> > > is
> > > > to be able to listen and observe without losing your state of
> > mind.