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    Alan, a systems electrician, and I had some EMF discussion on Gaia over on another bb. I repeated that discussion here:
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      Alan, a systems electrician, and I had some EMF discussion on Gaia
      over on another bb. I repeated that discussion here:

      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/methanehydrateclub/message/458

      and for the next two or three posts.

      I am also having more discussions about it with John Learch, a
      physicist, over the past day. Here is a taste of it:



      -----Original Message-----
      From: John Lerch <jlerch1@...>
      To: Debate <Debate@...>
      Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:11:58 -0500
      Subject: Re: More Doran waves and Texas flooding

      > http://quake.geo.berkeley.edu/ncedc/em.intro.html
      >
      > According to these measurements there is no drift or
      > pattern of change in the Schumann resonance--contrary
      > to another no data site that i didn't cite.
      > And below doesn't ignore AC at all.
      > Bottom line. Some of what you wave your hands about
      > might be true. However, there is NO electrical
      > separation of charge (none of greater distance than the
      > 1/10000 of the diameter of an atom I calculated in the
      > original post) due to ocean currents moving through the
      > earth's magnetic field.

      Consider this link to an abstract about measurable induction by ocean
      currents: http://www.gfdl.gov/~gth/netscape/1992/dbs9201.html

      The induction I am talking about is in relation to strikes and the
      resulting local EMFs. There may also be some SE from the sun--which
      is
      an intereting input from one of the posters at our yahoo group. I
      agree
      it is small--but measured.

      ADDITIONALLY, the whole thing revolves around 'Z'.

      To then say that ocean pH and insulation by hydrates doesn't matter
      in
      this context based on what you are saying is absurd.


      There may be--correction
      > are--currents due to the variable electrochemical
      > potential of the earth's oceans due to variable
      > salinity, variable temp. It is the variability of the
      > electrochemical potentials (and hence the existence of
      > electrical currents) in the earth's core which drives
      > the earth's magnetic dynamo--not the motion of some
      > currents through the earth's magnetic field. (Those
      > currents modulate the existing field, but they are not
      > created by motion through the earth's magnetic field;
      > and no current in the earth's oceans are created by
      > motion through the earth's magnetic field.
      > Mike wrote
      > > about your car's alternator. In order to create the
      > > dozen volts for your car's electrical system, you've
      > > got to have HUNDREDS of loops of wire, spinning at
      > > about 1-5k rpm. You have to have a mechanism to
      > remove
      > > that current from loop 1, add it to loop 2, etc just
      > to
      > > get a DOZEN volts. Those loops ARE NOT IN PARALLEL,
      > > they are in SERIES so their voltages add. OTOH the
      > > ocean's currents are all in parallel, so their
      > voltage
      > > doesn't add.
      >
      > But this ignores AC like Schuman resonances, and how
      > strikes and storms
      > make for conductive paths of least Z. And of course,
      > these processes can
      > alter the phase angle of a AC wave.
      >
      >
      >

      +++++++++++++++++

      Comments below.

      > I was particularly interested in your identifying the
      > restoring force as the electric field of separated
      > charges. You did not identify why this restoring force
      > should at any instant be insufficient to completely
      > dominate the separation of the ocean currents.

      I am not sure I understood your question.

      I think we are missing a few things in this discussion. Inductors and
      capacitors react differently to AC than they do to DC. They also
      react
      differently at different frequencies. Other components like resistors
      act
      the same to DC as they do to AC. When you use reactive and resistive
      components in the same circuit, they both influence current flow. I
      am
      not trying to calculate impedance (Z) for the RC, LC circuits and RLC
      circuitry of the ocean. However, I am making observations of data
      that
      seems to indicate quite nicely that all of these types of elements
      are
      involved in such a way as to move cirrus clouds and hence effectuate
      varying IR balances, and that this causal mechanism is a forcing
      which is
      significant and biologically modulated.

      Where the oceans will be conductive is mostly in the thermohaline
      (the
      top 1% of the oceans). But even within the thermohaline there are
      warm
      and cold temperatures, that given previous history also present
      themselves as anomalies. When the fair weather voltage attempts to
      flow
      from the ionosphere down to the ocean, if the ocean is colder, has
      more
      EMF resistance, and cannot go anywhere but where it is or stay in the
      air. There, the protons are part of the Doran wave dyanmics I am
      describing. But further, when Schuman resonances and other AC
      aspects of
      the global circuitry attempt to move into oceans which are moving the
      induction leads to Z values that are a sum of both resistance
      (temperature), capacitance and induction processes that are going on
      between ionosphere, cloud, ocean and land, forgetting CMEs and space
      weather.

      Think
      > about your car's alternator. In order to create the
      > dozen volts for your car's electrical system, you've
      > got to have HUNDREDS of loops of wire, spinning at
      > about 1-5k rpm. You have to have a mechanism to remove
      > that current from loop 1, add it to loop 2, etc just to
      > get a DOZEN volts. Those loops ARE NOT IN PARALLEL,
      > they are in SERIES so their voltages add. OTOH the
      > ocean's currents are all in parallel, so their voltage
      > doesn't add.

      But this ignores AC like Schuman resonances, and how strikes and
      storms
      make for conductive paths of least Z. And of course, these processes
      can
      alter the phase angle of a AC wave.


      They are not moving at speeds of about. . . An alternator works
      since
      (as we've been > trying to tell you from day one (our day one anyway))
      > some of the circuit is outside the magnetic field and
      > outside the volume of movement so when the separation
      > of charges (though minute) adds in series, it results
      > in something without the same induction opposing it.
      > JAL

      Now, to say that that the ion content of the oceans (its pH) and the
      insulation between land and ocean makes no difference based on the
      EMFs
      involved in a alternater is niave. I am not saying I have the
      numbers,
      but I DO have the data, like Lindzen's iris data, or the data I am
      describing as far as Doran waves are concerned.



      PS the magnitude of the fair field is 150-250 v/m
      > not v/m^2.
      > Mike wrote
      > > What is the restoring "force"?
      >
      > The currents flow from charge accumulations to charge
      > depreciated areas.
      > What happens is that there are several areas where
      > insulation is so great
      > that great accumulations must occur before a discharge
      > creates EMF
      > equillibrium in a area.
      > (Mine) This is the patently false statement. The
      > insulation is irrelevant;

      How so? Again, you have no proof that it is false, and I have these
      huge
      volume of data on cirrus bahavior! There are Schuman resonances
      which
      match strike activity and so forth.


      the fact they are in parallel
      > is relevant.
      > But while charge seperatations exist, they
      > enhance or not cirrus cloud behavior, which in turn
      > varies IR balances
      > and convection processes.
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