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A Doran Wave hits Arizona

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  • pawnfart
    A Republican Congressman from AZ was on CSPN today complaining about extremist ecologists as the cause of the fire there. He said that commercial loggers face
    Message 1 of 2 , Jun 27, 2002
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      A Republican Congressman from AZ was on CSPN today complaining about
      extremist ecologists as the cause of the fire there. He said that
      commercial loggers face lawsuits every time they want to log on
      federal land. He was practically spitting. It follows John McCain
      suggesting allowing commercial logging on federal lands.

      Now, I could get into old growth, new growth discusssions, and really
      don't know much about logging. I had an Army buddy who did know --
      Ranger Paul we called him, a Forrester now I think in Washington.
      Anyway, I don't know much about harvesting policies. I do know a
      little about fascism and socialism and how it could get kind of tough
      deciding which trees can get cut down. But this isn't the problem.

      The irony is the trees were so dry, as one fire fighter put it, they
      burnt like someone was putting gasoline on them. Which is to say,
      conditions were so dry that one could hardly blame the harvesting
      policy on the big fires that are occurring right now. So, even in the
      midst of the greatest ecological disaster in Arizona history, this
      facsist was complaining, no, spitting, that more commercial activity
      is needed on Federal grounds and that ecologists, with all their
      political power, were the extremists who casued this fire.

      Which brings me to Gaia. Now, as you all know, I think it is changes
      to the Colorado river that caused this dry patch in the SW. And, yes,
      it is a regional problem. Los Angeles, for instance, has had about 4
      inches of rain, the lowest recorded in over 150 years of record
      keeping.

      Today, I did see a Doran wave bring thunderstorms, but with little
      water, to Arizona, but that was just because the strike activity was
      so extreme, and the positive charges and dry lines so acute, that the
      wave was able to reach. But there was little real relief.

      About a month ago I thought there was a chance that upwelling would
      end the drought. Problem is that the Sea of Cortez is a biological
      wasteland. Upwelling probably won't help.

      At CO2"science".org, a oil sponsered "non-profit", one of the Idso
      twins wrote a bit on CO2 and an Arizona city. Seems that the city
      sometimes has CO2 levels twice the global average, and yet no warming
      is recorded when this occurs. They do have UHI in cities like
      Pheonix--3 to 7 degrees is measured from what I have seen on a NOAA
      site. But this has NOTHING to do with Gaia warming. That is because
      CO2 is not significant as a GHG but as carbonic acid in rainwater,
      increasing erosion, and as material for Gaia. As material for Gaia it
      alters ocean pH and provides electrical insulation via hydrates. This
      increases cirrus and IR balances. Cirrus and these balances are WAY
      more powerful a forcing then CO2 as a GHG. So both sides continue to
      beat up their strawmen while our great nation burns.

      It just occurred to me

      that one of the functions, from a Gaia standpoint, of a Doran wave,
      is not only to feedback life sustaining hydrology but also where EMFs
      are to positively charged--to feed back dry strikes thunderstorms
      that burn up forrests where Gaia is poor! This recycles the carbon
      but outside of the hydrology!

      So that Doran wave that hit Arizona came with a purpose--that wasn't
      to bring RAIN!
    • fredwx
      I was looking at the latest SST anomalies in the eastern North Pacific and the cold SST s have been diminishing in extent over the past 3 months with strong
      Message 2 of 2 , Jun 28, 2002
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        I was looking at the latest SST anomalies in the eastern North
        Pacific and the cold SST's have been diminishing in extent over the
        past 3 months with strong warming in the Gulf of Alaska and the
        tropical Eastern Pacific. I would think if this trend continues that
        normal rainfall will return to the SW before long.

        Late March:
        http://psbsgi1.nesdis.noaa.gov:8080/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomnight.3.26.20
        02.gif

        Late June
        http://psbsgi1.nesdis.noaa.gov:8080/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomnight.6.24.20
        02.gif

        --- In methanehydrateclub@y..., "pawnfart" <mike@u...> wrote:
        > A Republican Congressman from AZ was on CSPN today complaining
        about
        > extremist ecologists as the cause of the fire there. He said that
        > commercial loggers face lawsuits every time they want to log on
        > federal land. He was practically spitting. It follows John McCain
        > suggesting allowing commercial logging on federal lands.
        >
        > Now, I could get into old growth, new growth discusssions, and
        really
        > don't know much about logging. I had an Army buddy who did know --
        > Ranger Paul we called him, a Forrester now I think in Washington.
        > Anyway, I don't know much about harvesting policies. I do know a
        > little about fascism and socialism and how it could get kind of
        tough
        > deciding which trees can get cut down. But this isn't the problem.
        >
        > The irony is the trees were so dry, as one fire fighter put it,
        they
        > burnt like someone was putting gasoline on them. Which is to say,
        > conditions were so dry that one could hardly blame the harvesting
        > policy on the big fires that are occurring right now. So, even in
        the
        > midst of the greatest ecological disaster in Arizona history, this
        > facsist was complaining, no, spitting, that more commercial
        activity
        > is needed on Federal grounds and that ecologists, with all their
        > political power, were the extremists who casued this fire.
        >
        > Which brings me to Gaia. Now, as you all know, I think it is
        changes
        > to the Colorado river that caused this dry patch in the SW. And,
        yes,
        > it is a regional problem. Los Angeles, for instance, has had about
        4
        > inches of rain, the lowest recorded in over 150 years of record
        > keeping.
        >
        > Today, I did see a Doran wave bring thunderstorms, but with little
        > water, to Arizona, but that was just because the strike activity
        was
        > so extreme, and the positive charges and dry lines so acute, that
        the
        > wave was able to reach. But there was little real relief.
        >
        > About a month ago I thought there was a chance that upwelling would
        > end the drought. Problem is that the Sea of Cortez is a biological
        > wasteland. Upwelling probably won't help.
        >
        > At CO2"science".org, a oil sponsered "non-profit", one of the Idso
        > twins wrote a bit on CO2 and an Arizona city. Seems that the city
        > sometimes has CO2 levels twice the global average, and yet no
        warming
        > is recorded when this occurs. They do have UHI in cities like
        > Pheonix--3 to 7 degrees is measured from what I have seen on a NOAA
        > site. But this has NOTHING to do with Gaia warming. That is because
        > CO2 is not significant as a GHG but as carbonic acid in rainwater,
        > increasing erosion, and as material for Gaia. As material for Gaia
        it
        > alters ocean pH and provides electrical insulation via hydrates.
        This
        > increases cirrus and IR balances. Cirrus and these balances are WAY
        > more powerful a forcing then CO2 as a GHG. So both sides continue
        to
        > beat up their strawmen while our great nation burns.
        >
        > It just occurred to me
        >
        > that one of the functions, from a Gaia standpoint, of a Doran wave,
        > is not only to feedback life sustaining hydrology but also where
        EMFs
        > are to positively charged--to feed back dry strikes thunderstorms
        > that burn up forrests where Gaia is poor! This recycles the carbon
        > but outside of the hydrology!
        >
        > So that Doran wave that hit Arizona came with a purpose--that
        wasn't
        > to bring RAIN!
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