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  • Gregory Goode
    Hey Bobby, I m not sure which work Sw. Dyananda was referring to. In addition to being considered the author of the Vedas, Vyasa is also credited as the
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      Hey Bobby,

      I'm not sure which work Sw. Dyananda was referring to. In addition to being considered the author of the Vedas, Vyasa is also credited as the author of the Mahabharata, from which the Bhagavad Gita was excerpted. They are both composed in slokas or verses that are chant-able, memorable, and even hummable! There are even traditionally authorized melodies for the different works.

      The BG does say very deeply insightful things about all of advaita vedanta, but requires a lot of unpacking. This unpacking, explication, is what the teacher in the orthodox advaita tradition is there for. They discuss every aspect of the teaching, but only as glosses on slokas in the text. This is in stark contrast to the neo-advaita satsang movment, in which texts and written works are often frowned upon as overly stressing the intellect and serving as a substitute for what they call "direct experience."

      Among the orthodox advaitic unpackers of the Bhagavad Gita text whose teachings are easy to find in the US, Swami Dyananda and Swami Chimayananda are some of the best.

      --Greg


      On 6/28/03 02:04 pm "texasbg2000" (Bigbobgraham@...) wrote:
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      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Goode <BR>
      <goode@d...> wrote:<BR>
      > <html><body><BR>
      > Hi Bobby,<BR>
      > <BR>
      > I have a modest collection of Swami Dyananda's written and recorded <BR>
      works.� And I read this interview when it was first published.� <BR>
      Nowhere in this interview or in any of Swami Dyananda's teachings <BR>
      that I'm familiar with does he talk about the Yoga Sutra.� Or <BR>
      Patanjali, as I can recall.<BR>
      > <BR>
      > The Vyasa he refers to in this interview is the figure often <BR>
      called "Veda Vyasa," the one to whom the original Vedas have been <BR>
      attributed.� Rgveda, Yajurveda, Atharvaveda, and Samaveda.� Vedantic <BR>
      study treats of these to some extent, but mostly the Upanishads, the <BR>
      Bhagavad Gita, and the Brahma Sutra.� The work that Swami Dyananda <BR>
      mentioned teaching every morning is the Mandukya Upanishad, often <BR>
      thought to be the most sophisticated presentation of advaita among <BR>
      the Upanishads, and the only one that can make sense without relying <BR>
      on religious faith.� It's a very great book, in fact I had it on my <BR>
      altar years ago when I was looking for a guru and couldn't find one!� <BR>
      All the other Upanishads use the notion of a creator or deity to some <BR>
      extent.� <BR>
      > <BR>
      > Hari OM!<BR>
      > <BR>
      > --Greg<BR>
      <BR>
      <BR>
      Thanks Greg.� You are a valuable resource.� Do you happen to know <BR>
      what is the book of sutra which entirely analyzes Advaita Vedanta by <BR>
      Veda Vyasa? He referred to it after he referred to the Mandukya <BR>
      Upanishad.<BR>
      <BR>
      Love<BR>
      Bobby G.<BR>
      <BR>
      <BR>
      > <BR>
      > <BR>
      > On 6/28/03 12:28 pm� "texasbg2000" (Bigbobgraham@a...) wrote:<BR>
      > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "steve" <BR><BR>
      > <spirit5562000@y...> wrote:<BR><BR>
      > What caught my eye was the following paragraph about what I take is <BR>
      <BR><BR>
      > the "Yoga Sutra"-<BR><BR>
      > <BR><BR>
      > !~~~~AC: Before Shankara there were no written commentaries? <BR><BR>
      > <BR><BR>
      > SD: There were some. In fact, what I'm teaching every morning now <BR>
      is <BR><BR>
      > a commentary on one of the Upanishads, by Shankara's own teacher's <BR>
      <BR><BR>
      > teacher, Gaudapada. There are a few others also, Vyasa's sutras. <BR>
      <BR><BR>
      > He is apparently giving the authorship of "Yoga Sutra" usually <BR>
      given <BR><BR>
      > to Patanjali to the sage Vyasa.� Feuerstein in his commentary on <BR>
      <BR><BR>
      > Patanjali frreely uses Vyasa as a translator of 'Yoga Sutra' and <BR>
      even <BR><BR>
      > mentions that some attribute the works to Vyasa.<BR><BR>
      > <BR><BR>
      > Of most interest to me is the idea from a foremost authority on <BR><BR>
      > Advaita that the 'Yoga Sutra' analyzes the whole of Advaita <BR>
      Vedanta.<BR><BR>
      > <BR>
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    • texasbg2000
      ... wrote: Thanks Greg, Bobby ... to being considered the author of the Vedas, Vyasa is also credited as the author of the Mahabharata, from which
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        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Goode
        <goode@d...> wrote:

        Thanks Greg,
        Bobby

        > Hey Bobby,
        >
        > I'm not sure which work Sw. Dyananda was referring to. In addition
        to being considered the author of the Vedas, Vyasa is also credited
        as the author of the Mahabharata, from which the Bhagavad Gita was
        excerpted. They are both composed in slokas or verses that are chant-
        able, memorable, and even hummable! There are even traditionally
        authorized melodies for the different works.
        >
        > The BG does say very deeply insightful things about all of advaita
        vedanta, but requires a lot of unpacking. This unpacking,
        explication, is what the teacher in the orthodox advaita tradition is
        there for. They discuss every aspect of the teaching, but only as
        glosses on slokas in the text. This is in stark contrast to the neo-
        advaita satsang movment, in which texts and written works are often
        frowned upon as overly stressing the intellect and serving as a
        substitute for what they call "direct experience."
        >
        > Among the orthodox advaitic unpackers of the Bhagavad Gita text
        whose teachings are easy to find in the US, Swami Dyananda and Swami
        Chimayananda are some of the best.
        >
        > --Greg
        >
        >
        > On 6/28/03 02:04 pm "texasbg2000" (Bigbobgraham@a...) wrote:
        > <html><body>
        >
        >
        > <tt>
        > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Goode
        <BR>
        > <goode@d...> wrote:<BR>
        > > <html><body><BR>
        > > Hi Bobby,<BR>
        > > <BR>
        > > I have a modest collection of Swami Dyananda's written and
        recorded <BR>
        > works.  And I read this interview when it was first published.  <BR>
        > Nowhere in this interview or in any of Swami Dyananda's teachings
        <BR>
        > that I'm familiar with does he talk about the Yoga Sutra.  Or <BR>
        > Patanjali, as I can recall.<BR>
        > > <BR>
        > > The Vyasa he refers to in this interview is the figure often <BR>
        > called "Veda Vyasa," the one to whom the original Vedas have been
        <BR>
        > attributed.  Rgveda, Yajurveda, Atharvaveda, and Samaveda. 
        Vedantic <BR>
        > study treats of these to some extent, but mostly the Upanishads,
        the <BR>
        > Bhagavad Gita, and the Brahma Sutra.  The work that Swami Dyananda
        <BR>
        > mentioned teaching every morning is the Mandukya Upanishad, often
        <BR>
        > thought to be the most sophisticated presentation of advaita among
        <BR>
        > the Upanishads, and the only one that can make sense without
        relying <BR>
        > on religious faith.  It's a very great book, in fact I had it on my
        <BR>
        > altar years ago when I was looking for a guru and couldn't find
        one!  <BR>
        > All the other Upanishads use the notion of a creator or deity to
        some <BR>
        > extent.  <BR>
        > > <BR>
        > > Hari OM!<BR>
        > > <BR>
        > > --Greg<BR>
        > <BR>
        > <BR>
        > Thanks Greg.  You are a valuable resource.  Do you happen to know
        <BR>
        > what is the book of sutra which entirely analyzes Advaita Vedanta
        by <BR>
        > Veda Vyasa? He referred to it after he referred to the Mandukya <BR>
        > Upanishad.<BR>
        > <BR>
        > Love<BR>
        > Bobby G.<BR>
        > <BR>
        > <BR>
        > > <BR>
        > > <BR>
        > > On 6/28/03 12:28 pm  "texasbg2000" (Bigbobgraham@a...) wrote:<BR>
        > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "steve"
        <BR><BR>
        > > <spirit5562000@y...> wrote:<BR><BR>
        > > What caught my eye was the following paragraph about what I take
        is <BR>
        > <BR><BR>
        > > the "Yoga Sutra"-<BR><BR>
        > > <BR><BR>
        > > !~~~~AC: Before Shankara there were no written commentaries?
        <BR><BR>
        > > <BR><BR>
        > > SD: There were some. In fact, what I'm teaching every morning now
        <BR>
        > is <BR><BR>
        > > a commentary on one of the Upanishads, by Shankara's own
        teacher's <BR>
        > <BR><BR>
        > > teacher, Gaudapada. There are a few others also, Vyasa's sutras.
        <BR>
        > <BR><BR>
        > > He is apparently giving the authorship of "Yoga Sutra" usually
        <BR>
        > given <BR><BR>
        > > to Patanjali to the sage Vyasa.  Feuerstein in his commentary on
        <BR>
        > <BR><BR>
        > > Patanjali frreely uses Vyasa as a translator of 'Yoga Sutra' and
        <BR>
        > even <BR><BR>
        > > mentions that some attribute the works to Vyasa.<BR><BR>
        > > <BR><BR>
        > > Of most interest to me is the idea from a foremost authority on
        <BR><BR>
        > > Advaita that the 'Yoga Sutra' analyzes the whole of Advaita <BR>
        > Vedanta.<BR><BR>
        > > <BR>
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