[Meditation Society of America] Re: In realization the mind is dead/ to Bruce
- Hi Bruce,
> >I wonder if someone can verbalise
> > haven't you found out that the use of the word MIND, brings about
> > much confussion? And when we say thought, it is more easy to
> > understand. But again, there is the confussion about giving the
> > name "thought" to an image (as abstract as it can be) or to a symbol
> > when there are no words to define it.
> > So when you say that counsciousness observes the thoughts,
> > is there any sense of action there?
> No, thought is activity
> but the observer merely
> abides, no effort.
> i mean, the one who observes, the
> > observation itself, and the thought (object in this case) observed?
> Thought gets involved
> again when we share the
> observation with words,
> images, and/or symbols
> -- but in the moment of
> observation, the
> observer and the
> observed are on. Iow,
> consciousness is its
> contents in the moment.
> > I know this is all a matter of definitions, but i find it
> > difficult to express ideas about mind.
> I often say "Realization
> is easy -- after all, it's
> an unearned, undeserved gift
> -- it's *communication*
> that's really difficult!"
> > In my case, i see Consciousness as the reality, as the base, as the
> > source, and mind as all the rest.
> That's as good a delineation
> as anyone else's --
> consciousness-mind, brahma-
> maya, energy-matter, all
> descriptors of the last
> quasi-dichotomy before all
> such distinctions vanish in
> the equivalence seen by
> realizers and described
> mathematically by Sri Albert
> Einstein as "e = mc^2."
> > Everything that arises from the
> > first entity that arises and then observes, the I. I do not limit
> > the word mind to thought, instead i say that even the images,
> > abstract or not, are mind.
> > What is your input here?
> Thought is the parent of
> all language, symbolism,
> and imagery -- after all,
> language is an elaborate
how does one arrive from a dual bhakti
type of vision demonstarted by Devi to
a jnana non-dual realized state.
> symbolic system, and a
> symbol is essentially a
> concisely-defined image!
> > Love,
> > maria luisa
> Right back atcha,
> mi hermana -- Bruce
> [mucho snippage]
- thank u very much jeffeven though my bad choices have taken my freedom away from me in my past threw my meditation i am able to reach out in the community i grew up can now better acept the fact that some people do not want to accept my change,threw my meditation with i feel rejected by them i do feel a calmness and have started using compassion and loving/kindness with my self now compared to going back to the gutter of depression and so forthi have 2 college degrees but cannot use them in my feildi am a work in progess,much metta jeffjack davis