meditation, bhakti, jnana, and Ramana
- Hello all,
the dialogs here are being "candentes" (this comes from fire, you
know?). And placing a dialog of a .....(how does Bruce call
the "dead ones"?) may be taken as "out of this moment". But Ramana
is in tone now (and always), and I feel this extract I found this
afternoon would suite the meditation thing, the jnana and the bhakti
thing. So here it goes.
D: Can Sri Bhagavan help us realize the Truth?
M: Help is always there.
D: Then there is no need to ask questions. I do not feel the ever-
M: Surrender and you will find it.
D: I amalways at your feet. Will Bhagavan give us some upadesa to
Otherwise, how can I get the help living six hundred miles away?
M: That Sadguru is within.
D: Sadguru is necessary to guide me to understand it.
M: The Sadguru is within.
D: I want a visible Guru.
M: That visible Guru says that He is within.
D: Can I thow myself at the mercy of the Sadguru?
M: Yes. Instructions are necessary only solong as one has not
D: Is no particular time necessary for meditation?
M: Meditation depends on strength of mind. It must be unceasing,
even while engaged in work.
A particular time is meant for novices.
D: Will Sadguru place his hand on my head to assure me of his help?
I will have the consolation that
his promise will be fulfilled.
M: A bond will be the nwxt requisition and a suit will be filed if
you imagine no help forthcoming. (Laughter).
D: May I come near, Sir? (For blessing).
M: Such doubts should not arise inyou. They contradict your
statement of surrender.
Sadguru is always on your head.
D: Surrender comes after effort.
M: Yes, it becomes complete in due course.
D: Is a teacher necessary for instructions?
M: Yes, if you wnat to learn anything new. But here you have to
D: Yet a teacher is necessary.
M: You have already got what you seek elsewhere. So no teacher is
D: Is there any use of the man of Realization for the seeker?
M: Yes. He helps you get rid of your delusion that you are not
D: So, tell me how.
M: The paths are meant only to dehypnotize the individual.
D: Dehypnotize me. Tell me what method to follow.
M: Where are you now? Where should you go?
D: I know "I am"; but do not know what I am.
M: Are there two I's then?
D: It is begging the question.
M: Who says this? Is it the one who is, or is it the other who does
not know what he is?
D: I am, but do not know what or how.
M: "I" is always there.
D: Does the "I" undergo any transformation, say in death?
M: Who witness the transformation?
D: You seem to speak Jnana Yoga. This is Jnana Yoga.
M; Yes, it is.
D: But surrender is Bhakti Yoga.
M: Both are the same.
After some time the man continued: Then I have to conclude that
I am Consciousness and that nothing occurs except by my presence.
M: It is one thing to conclude it by reasoning and another thing to
From the book "Talks with Ramana Maharshi".