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> > bobby wrote:
> > <<I think the real question can be
> > stated as a pro and con. The
> > proposition:
> > Structure limits Creativity.
> > I say no, and take the con position.
> > Take the dancer who learns the
> > parameters of bodily motion. An
> > immense structure of empirical
> > knowledge. Then when the beat
> > takes the body and the inner melody
> > reacts, the soul is released to
> > perform with additional elements not
> > able to be accessed by the person who
> > just gets up and becomes abandoned to
> > the music. The satisfaction and
> > expression is much greater.>>
> > I think i see what you are saying, Bobby.
> > Anyway, i will share my perspective.
> > I was a student of calligraphy for many years,
> > and the theme that was returned to
> > again and again was:
> > It takes first being disciplined and learning
> > the rules of the art, and then you can
> > have the freedom to bend them with abandon.
> > First comes discipline, then comes freedom.
> > Dance therapy and music therapy exists, but
> > this Stewart Cubley specializes in art therapy.
> > So, i really don't understand what you were
> > saying in your original response to the article
> > when you mentioned those other things.
> > Lucia Cappacchione and Aviva Gold (not as a team)
> > are others who use un-techniqued art methods to
> > facilitate the bypassing of the rational thought
> > process in getting in touch with what lies
> > in the well....the light and the shadow.
> This is a pretty good point that is coming out:
> what is the purpose of this creativity?
> Freyja, by way of Cubley, seems to be lofting up the
> possibility of using untechniqued art (or other
> forms of expression) to explore one's inner world.
> Bobby, seems to be pointing out that art in another
> sense is a refinement of this exploration. Is he also
> suggesting that this exploration can go deeper if
> the art is refined?
I don't think so but someone may take it that way easily enough. I
don't paint to explore myself. When I look at a picture that is done
I generally learn something about myself though. Everyone has a job
and mine is to make pictures and teach others how to do it the way I
If ART were so small that one person's taste could encompass it then
it wouldn't be very human.
> Could it be that the two play into each other in
> much the same way the inner and outer worlds play
> into each other?
> Stay tuned...
> > I do think their methods are a good starting
> > point for people who would like to create art,
> > but who think they have no talent, etc., because
> > of comparisons they themselves make, or what
> > they have been told by parents and teachers.
> > I feel that there are strong parallels between
> > creating tangible art from a place of freedom,
> > and creating as the art of life.
> > Learning the techniques can naturally come after the
> > initial barriers have come down.
> > Perhaps the biggest lesson to learn is that
> > art isnt about painting pictures, being a ballet star,
> > or being a opera diva,
> > Art is life itself and being all that you are.
> Art happens. :)
> I suspect that the cave painters were involved in a form
> of active imagination that eventually led to the refinement
> of their art. Better art meant better hunts? Who knows! It's
> all lost in the mists of time...