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[Meditation Society of America] Re: The utility of spiritual experiences

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  • jodyrrr
    ... [snip] ... It s how the tradition is applied that presents problems to me, not the tradition itself. ... Good point. We can t take our gurus with their
    Message 1 of 5 , May 29, 2003
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      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen <editor@j...>
      wrote:
      >
      > On Thu, 29 May 2003 17:00:57 -0000 "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr@y...> writes:

      [snip]

      > > Actually Bruceji. I have no problems with either
      > > G's or Jeff's authenticity. It's the methods I have
      > > problems with,
      >
      > I don't know that I have
      > a particular problem with
      > the traditional m.o. so
      > much as an obligation to
      > occasionally remind folks
      > of the inherent pitfalls
      > of the traditional guru-
      > chela dyad, which I agree
      > are quite prevalent in
      > what you call "spiritual
      > culture. Of course
      > Jeffji has similar
      > concerns about pitfalls
      > in the more anarchistic
      > m.o. some of us favor --
      > and the wheel keeps
      > spinning! :-)

      It's how the tradition is applied that
      presents problems to me, not the
      tradition itself.

      > > as well as my noticing of some
      > > unobserved ego.
      >
      > Yes, I see that too --
      > although I find it hard to
      > be quite so sure that it's
      > really "unobserved" so much
      > as briefly observed and
      > then dismissed for what are
      > seen as valid practical
      > reasons.

      Good point. We can't take our gurus
      with their egos too, can we.

      > > I also have some difficulty understanding why they would > care what I
      > thought of them at all. Oh wait! Could it
      > > be that unobserved ego reacting? ;)
      >
      > Yes, it *could* be, but it
      > also might be out of honest
      > concern that some folks for
      > whom the more traditional
      > approach is appropriate
      > might turn away from (what
      > is for them) rightful work,
      > even if all such work is
      > inherently non-causal with
      > respect to realization and
      > often loaded down with
      > superfluous significance.

      Again, good point. By putting both
      views within view, the reader can
      decide for themselves which is the
      best approach for them.

      > > > When all is said and done,
      > > > Freyja, peace cannot be
      > > > declared and/or mandated
      > > > -- it flows like an
      > > > endless river and is
      > > > either seen as such or not
      > > > in any given moment. So,
      > > > the answer to Rodney's
      > > > question is "yes," but
      > > > it's one of possibility
      > > > and therefore entirely
      > > > conceptual!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > [snip]
      > > >
      > > >
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