Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

Re: [Meditation Society of America] shaken, not stirred

Expand Messages
  • Greg Goode
    ... Even though I don t drink alcoholic beverages, I do love Bond! --Greg
    Message 1 of 11 , May 29, 2003
    • 0 Attachment
      At 05:06 PM 5/29/2003 +0000, freyjartist wrote:
      >> I was thinking more along the lines of James Bond's favorite
      >refreshment, martini, shaken, not stirred. As explained in Casino
      >Royale, 1953. :-)
      >>
      >> --Greg
      >
      >:-)
      >I prefer mine dry with three olives

      Even though I don't drink alcoholic beverages, I do love Bond!

      --Greg
    • freyjartist
      ... Hey Greg, speaking of altered consciousness, i was reading in that article about Alex Grey, that he smokes grass to get new perspectives on the work. And
      Message 2 of 11 , May 29, 2003
      • 0 Attachment
        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Greg Goode
        <goode@d...> wrote:
        > At 05:06 PM 5/29/2003 +0000, freyjartist wrote:
        > >> I was thinking more along the lines of James Bond's favorite
        > >refreshment, martini, shaken, not stirred. As explained in Casino
        > >Royale, 1953. :-)
        > >>
        > >> --Greg
        > >
        > >:-)
        > >I prefer mine dry with three olives
        >
        > Even though I don't drink alcoholic beverages, I do love Bond!
        >
        > --Greg

        Hey Greg,
        speaking of altered consciousness,
        i was reading in that article
        about Alex Grey, that he smokes grass
        to get new perspectives on the work.

        And he investigates the psychedelic
        realms at least once a year.

        "I personally think that psychedelics
        can be a very handy tool for some artists--
        not everybody, obviously, should even get
        involved with them. But for those that it
        has provided meaningful and not so dangerous
        experiences, I think they're a way to
        see a kind of integration and unity...
        like, where did all the religions come from?
        What was it that inspired them? Not every
        trip is going to be a mind-blowing mystical
        experience, but there are enough of them
        that reinforce that insight so that the
        enthoegenically-inspired artist
        will be someone in the future that weill really
        help art. So i see psychedelics having a role,
        in being catalysts for the visions, but
        they're not the only way that i've gotten
        the visions.

        And there are also frightening, terrifying
        realms people can find themselves in.
        My last trip was a couple months ago and
        I scrawled into one of my notebooks,
        "It's reassuring to know that there is such
        a thing as conventional reality."

        I was lost in a swirl--my mind was like a bowl
        of mercury that had been splattered into
        a 200-yard radius. I was a bug crawling on
        a leaf, something slithering on the ground,
        a hedgehog- which sounds very nice and
        non-dual in a certain way, but when there is
        no center to it....I had totally lost my
        personality and in some ways it was very
        beautiful, but in others, it was like,
        "Oh my gosh, I've dissolved into this
        web of life and I'm not sure I can find my
        way back to my physical body."

        from Portals Into the Luminous:
        An Interview with Alex Grey
        in Spring/Summer 2003 Wildheart Journal
      • Greg Goode
        ... (Quote from Alex:) ... And then there are the Buddhists who meditate on the various kinds of hells. Their flesh liquefied and boiling, or pierced by
        Message 3 of 11 , May 29, 2003
        • 0 Attachment
          At 05:25 PM 5/29/2003 +0000, freyjartist wrote:


          >Hey Greg,
          >speaking of altered consciousness,
          >i was reading in that article about
          >Alex Grey, that he smokes grass
          >to get new perspectives on the work.
          >
          >And he investigates the psychedelic
          >realms at least once a year.



          (Quote from Alex:)

          > And there are also frightening, terrifying
          >realms people can find themselves in.


          And then there are the Buddhists who meditate on the various kinds of hells. Their flesh liquefied and boiling, or pierced by red-hot pokers, or cold, frozen, and cracking apart. To increase their compassion and desire to help others not suffer!

          --Greg
        • Jeff Belyea
          ... Greg This is an awesome bit of Buddhism. Thanks. While I can admire their goals, I can t say that their strategy does a whole lot to appeal to me. I can
          Message 4 of 11 , May 29, 2003
          • 0 Attachment
            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Greg Goode <
            goode@d...> wrote:
            > At 05:25 PM 5/29/2003 +0000, freyjartist wrote:
            >
            >
            > >Hey Greg,
            > >speaking of altered consciousness,
            > >i was reading in that article about
            > >Alex Grey, that he smokes grass
            > >to get new perspectives on the work.
            > >
            > >And he investigates the psychedelic
            > >realms at least once a year.
            >
            >
            >
            > (Quote from Alex:)
            >
            > > And there are also frightening, terrifying
            > >realms people can find themselves in.
            >
            >
            > And then there are the Buddhists who meditate on the various kinds of hells. Their flesh liquefied and boiling, or pierced by red-hot pokers, or cold, frozen, and cracking apart. To increase their compassion and desire to help others not suffer!
            >
            > --Greg

            Greg

            This is an awesome bit of Buddhism. Thanks.
            While I can admire their goals, I can't
            say that their strategy does a whole lot
            to appeal to me.

            I can see the parallel to the Hell, Fire
            and Brimstone crowd of Christianity.

            Love,

            Jeff
          • Greg Goode
            ... I can too, but I myself haven t seen these Buddhist meditations being mis-used by those wanting to manipulate *others* into doing stuff. I have seen
            Message 5 of 11 , May 29, 2003
            • 0 Attachment
              At 07:05 PM 5/29/2003 +0000, Jeff Belyea wrote:

              >This is an awesome bit of Buddhism. Thanks.
              >While I can admire their goals, I can't
              >say that their strategy does a whole lot
              >to appeal to me.
              >
              >I can see the parallel to the Hell, Fire
              >and Brimstone crowd of Christianity.

              I can too, but I myself haven't seen these Buddhist meditations being mis-used by those wanting to manipulate *others* into doing stuff. I have seen Christians do it a lot. I'm sure the Buddhists have done it too, but I don't live in a largely Buddhist country :-)

              --Greg
            • Jeff Belyea
              ... Nice distinction. The silence of this type of meditation does not impose the way the spoken and shouted words of fundamentalism do. So the parallel only
              Message 6 of 11 , May 29, 2003
              • 0 Attachment
                --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Greg Goode <
                goode@d...> wrote:
                > At 07:05 PM 5/29/2003 +0000, Jeff Belyea wrote:
                >
                > >This is an awesome bit of Buddhism. Thanks.
                > >While I can admire their goals, I can't
                > >say that their strategy does a whole lot
                > >to appeal to me.
                > >
                > >I can see the parallel to the Hell, Fire
                > >and Brimstone crowd of Christianity.
                >
                > I can too, but I myself haven't seen these Buddhist meditations being mis-used by those wanting to manipulate *others* into doing stuff. I have seen Christians do it a lot. I'm sure the Buddhists have done it too, but I don't live in a largely Buddhist country :-)
                >
                > --Greg

                Nice distinction. The silence of
                this type of meditation does not
                impose the way the spoken and
                shouted words of fundamentalism
                do. So the parallel only runs
                to the "hell" imagery; each
                finding that imagery distressful,
                one as a consegrated act and
                the other as an avoidance strategy.

                Jeff
              Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.