This'll be a great group!
- I got this great email from Ganga today, and look forward to enjoying
her new group. Check this out...........
Thought i would pass this along.... another one you might enjoy
this morning.... also may be good for your meditation question
line.... it is from my new site line called Guru_Satsang
so far Jeff and myself are the only resident gurus but i hope that
more will come on board and share.... Love .g.
Ganga K. (Seattle, Wa)
Jeff B. (Portland, Maine)
Good morning -
Namaste Dear One and good morning -
J: I received a couple of questions directly from my website.
One was about techniques and the other about why so few
meditators, out of the hundreds of thousands of meditators in
the world, receive enlightenment.
I'd be interested in your view, ganga.
G: thankyou for that interest... your reply is wonderful there is
only a very little to be added perhaps.... but lets see what pops
*** Here's my reply:
Hi Jason -
J: Thanks. I think the method is secondary to the desire. I'll
come back to that.
Quieting the inner dialogue by being aware of when you are
inhaling and when you are exhaling and focusing awareness on
the subtle activity of the body as you inhale and exhale is a
beginning technique to just about all meditations.
G: absolutely this is also what i give at the start..... simply
becoming aware of the breath..... to let it slow naturally.... to go
within it deeply...... let it come from the diaphram until the
stomach moves like the ocean waves in and out.... this one
practice not only relaxes , but centers, starts one to begin to learn
focused awareness, openness and a host of other needed tools
along the way....... this one is the foundation for when rising
emotions come...... when they do once again go into the breath
and let it go........
there are other ways of seeing or looking to be developed.....
such as doing One activity at a time..... without chasing other
thoughts and intrusions..... thus developing one pointed
awareness or the ability of mindfullness...... Vipassana or
learning to become witness..... and the final stage of
Self-Enquiry to break through actively the illusive play of ego....
course along with this goes Bhakt,i or Love through self
effacement and also, Karma Yoga of Giving without seeking
return or any pre-conceived notion of an outcome.... all of these
are tools to move one ahead within their stripping away of
illusive mind and false identifications......
And yes..... Desire for Truth or Liberation must be the all
consuming passion for Enlightenment to occur.......
Enlightenment means quite aptly...... being Blown out........
it is not the gaining of more knowledge...... or greater
techniques..... or attempting to hold more calm...... it is having
all the concepts and illusions - including self identity blown out
and shattered within an instant......... then one comes back and
reforms from the point of Absolute Truth rather than attempting to
build from relative happenings.......
J: Really good question about why so few meditators come to
enlightenment. I can only speculate, and relate it to my personal
experience. First, let me say that meditation is beneficial, in that
it relaxes the mind and body, and brings the meditators to a
more peaceful view of life. So it is a great stress management
tool. That alone, is enough for many.
G: if that is all they are seeking then that is all that will be
found..... when the externals of life are paramount then
there is not enough commitment or willingness to shed
it all...... without being willing to forgo Everything even
to the point of dying for the truth then it will not be
Like Christ the internal path means being willing to walk
across a bed of thorns if needbe..... to be willing to traverse
hell and back to reach heaven......
J: We tend to think of the enlightenment experience as a
sudden breakthrough to a new reality. And in a way it is, but it is
always preceded by a long journey of preparation.
G: yes.... it takes for most - years of self searching..... of
inner contemplation...... of prayer....... of searching and
seeking the inner wisdom and knowing of scriptures.....
of every moment awareness of developing bhakti (love),
self sacrifice Karma, stilling, releasing, centering,
walking the walk not simply philosophy spouting in front
of a keyboard or from your arm chair..... it takes an active
dedication.... for Christians to take up the path of
for Buddhists to Walk the way of Buddha..... for Hindus
the same developing Bhakti, Karma, and finally Jnana or
wisdom of Direct Experience.....
J: The desire to experience enlightenment seems to follow
earlier questions about life strategies and the failures they have
produced. One who looks to meditation is often looking for a
new life strategy that will bring more success in the form of
happiness and contentment, and peace of mind.
G: many that go into meditation do so with the idea of
gaining more control and power.... they think falsely that
occult powers mean and equate more knowledge and
higher attainment.... herein lies the heart of the problem....
many get caught up in chasing lights and sounds , more
and more endless shows of phenomena.... no matter
how much phenomena arises and how out of the ordinary
it is - it does not bring inner calm, nor peace...... They
may at some point relax enought to feel the Bliss and
so are wrapped up in the thought that they are indeed
getting closer..... When siddhis arise it can be very
Ego gratifying.... so instead of getting closer to the loss
of Ego simply a more entrenched view takes place....
Now there is a subtle Pride of Accomplishment that takes
place..... There is also the very difficult one to see
which is the most subtle Pride and that is the one of
developing Humility.... When you are proud of your
humitity then there is No humility at all..... so within the
search are the one hundred and one subtle variations
of Ego games that come and hopefully go..... But it takes
dedication and sincerity to see through them... it takes
being willing in the end to let go of all the siddhis, and
humility, and book knowledge, and even self identity to
enter into the Blowing Out of conceptual reality , to
enter into Enlightenment and Self Realization.....
There are very few that want to give up anything..... if you
are willing to go to the ends of the earth.... to face any
hardship..... to give up all you possess..... to sacrifice
and limb if need be...... then you have a chance of
being Blown Out and liberated.....
J: The approach to enlightenment engages the ego. It
threatens the ego, the rational process, the thinker, who feels
very much in charge of our life. We have been taught to rely on
this exclusively. When we begin to look for more, the ego is
threatened, and it feels to the ego life that it is
This is the battle ground. It is not for the squeamish or weakly
dedicated. It is a fight to the death...of the ego (or at least
submission of the ego to the higher self). We must
be ready to face death of the former self. That's not for everyone.
G: yes..... this is not a weekend activity..... you can't go to a
seminar or a retreat and expect to just walk away with
Enlightenment.... it is the great paradox.... you must be
willing to give up everything to gain existance.... you must
be willing to go through Death to find Everlasting Life...
You must be willing to be nailed to the cross of your own
fears to be able to see that they were all illusions of mind...
It is not easy to face all your fears head on.... nor to look
at yourself and your life and be willing to let go of all the
hurts and not justify any longer.... it is not easy to truly
forgive and have compassion for the hurts one has
encountered..... but all this must be done....... there must
be a willingness to let all the old drama's go.... that is
very frightening for most..... that is part of the percieved
identity of who you are...... we want to continue to have a
crutch for the poor me cycle.... after all what will i do
the poor me story ends? it justifies our behavior.. our
reactions..... our failings.... that is difficult to see
and sacrifice on the altar of Truth..... but ALL must be
willing to be let go of....... when All has been done that is
humanly possible...... then it is time to Surrender.....
When you feel poured out like melted wax..... have done
all that may be done..... then and only then is the time for
total and complete surrender to God or Self .....
That is the time when Grace Appears and pulls one
beyond themselves and Blows out everything that has
been held.... What remains is Clarity... Peace.... Calm....
J: Many meditators I know do not profess enlightenment, or
speak of any real specific event. Yet they are very peaceful and
grateful for the benefits of meditation. So, maybe it is not just a
darkness to light flash, for most, as much as it is a gradual
sunrise into a more complete awareness.
G: one does in fact move forward concept by concept..... living
ever closer and higher truths...... but the last step is a
total surrender and a willingness to let go of every truth and
particle of self....... then and only then is Grace
J: There are paradoxes on the spiritual path, one of which is
that the seeker must give up seeking, at a precise point, in order
to receive that which he is seeking. There comes a time of total
receptivity in order to receive the gift of grace known as
enlightenment. This is a delicate balance and seems to require
precise instruction. Therefore the need for a teacher.
G: also the teacher is needed as many gain a samadhi
experience and think that they have already attained.....
the first Samadhi or Inner Calm are beyond belief......
When taken as the end to soon then no more progress
is made..... eventually that event will fade.... then there
usually comes a trying to re-create the past samadhi or
inner quiet........ so this is why the teacher is needed to
say...... no this is not it....... neti...... neti.....
let go..... don't seek the outer...... don't chase the
phenomena...... go to the Source....
J: For those who experience enlightenment, it is felt that this
truly the ultimate human experience and the destiny of all
humankind. In fact, however, as you note, relatively very few
meditators experience full-blown enlightenment. Those who do,
tend to feel compelled to become a teacher. The urge to share
the experience and the joy of sharing the experience, telling
about it, encouraging others who are seeking the experience is,
to me, the call to become a gurü.
Jesus was known as a "forerunner", and I think that those who
experience enlightenment and "return" to teach others of the
possibility of enlightenment for all seekers, are forerunners as
well. What I don't know is God's timetable.
If one is drawn to meditation and is intrigued by the mystery of
enlightenment, then they will pursue the course and look until
they find what is their heart's desire. The odds will not deter
The role of teacher or gurü for me came as a result of a vow I
took. I didn't know of it at the time, but it sounded precisely what
read of now as the, "Boddhisattva vow".Ken Wilber
(recommended reading) summarizes it something like, "If you
will reveal this truth to me, I will spend my life communicating it
to others." What we learn on the other side of enlightenment, is
that it is beyond words, and must be
personally experienced in order to be comprehended. So we
teach by pointing others to the possibility of their own inner
I hope this helps,
G: in conclusion i would also say yes..... that speaking from
my own life experience.... that i also took such a vow ....
as a teenager there was this realization that whatever
would be gained along the way would be shared with
others , openly...... the way was not easy.... for myself it
took traversing years of hell..... but the good news is that
in the end is glorious Freedom.... it IS possible....
is and always has been right here...... but we see it not
we simply see as through a dark glass...... the Light has
not changed.... simply the perception was clouded over...
the Ever Unchanging Source is within the temple of the
Heart just waiting to be discovered...... it is There.....
when it is found no inner versus outer remains.... Simply
Liberation will be found..... then hopefully shared with the
rest of struggling humanity...... the world gains liberation
One Being at a time....
thankyou for allowing this to be shared....
shanti om .... g.