Re: Harvey and individuality
- that was absolutely the truth.......perfect, i haven't heard it put
so clearly as you have on the internet yet...exact...can i share this
on another group?
> I've seen that you have recurrence on the issue of individuality
> identification. This is what made me write about individuality asgoal
> not a problem.
> Let me clear down my understanding on this, hoping it is of some
> benefit for you.
> What supposedly we are looking for here is "realization". This is
> why meditation is the issue of this list, being meditation
> considered a pretty good means for enlightenment or "realization".
> First we should ask ourselves: to "realize" what?
> It is said to be our real identity. And it is said that this real
> identity is not that of the individual you think you are. And more
> on, it is said that to realize this you have to do it by your own,
> which means, that you have to "experience" your true identity by
> yourself. Nobody is going to "tell" you about it, nor you
> will "believe" something of the kind. This has been prooved for
> millions of years, isn't it? So those who have realized, what they
> come to know is that the individual is no other thing than a
> reflection, an idea, a gross manifestation of existence. And this
> existence alone, pure existence, is what you, i, and every one (and
> everything) IS. Only when you 'realize' can you "catch" this
> understanding, this knowing. So the work should be done in this
> One way of doing this is not to get caught in the idea you have of
> yourself, as a body-mind entity. No one denies that you as this
> entity is there, what is being tried to convey is that this entity
> is only a part of IT ALL, and this all is not separated of the rest
> or anything. Well, here comes the game of words, and this is not
> the idea, for we will go nowhere.
> The individual is here, and so it is the table, so what? Are you
> table? no. Are you the body? no. Only as an idea of individuality.going
> And yes, social complications exist, but there also exists the
> alternative of not getting complicated with them. So long as you
> give importance to those things, you will continue trapped in all
> this struggle.
> You may do whatever you like, and that is exactly what you are
> to do. If realization of the truth of existence is your priority,for
> then be consistent with it and do not give priority to social
> environment, relationships, this and that. Offer yourself entirely
> to this realization. Ways, well, there are many, many ways for it.
> Choose one, and commit yourself to it. Only in this way will all
> your questions be answered. If you have faith in Gangaji or any
> other One, then do whatever he or she recommends, but don't jump
> from here to there unless you are not convinced by them. In this
> case, you will find or be found by some Being that will fit you and
> that you will acept as a Guru. Then, follow her or him untill the
> Any explanation that anybody gives to you about individuality-
> identity will answer the question satisfactorily. Maybe you can get
> a temporary glance of it, or a partial intellectual understanding,
> but only Realization will alliviate you totally, by an absolute
> knowing that goes beyond intellect and mind. And it is possible,
> it is here NOW.
> Wishing you peace and All the love,
> maria luisa