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Re: Mind-Chatter, Meditation & Life/ T to K

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  • asimpjoy
    ... what is taking place, but, actually - at that moment, ... a seer ... from ... aware on awareness the *witness* disappears in the NOW. ... the ... direct
    Message 1 of 27 , Mar 31, 2003
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      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "satkartar7"
      <mi_nok@y...> wrote:
      > hi Tony, I find, that I share *understandings* with you
      **** T: Hi Karta! :-)
      >
      > [snip]
      >
      > **** T: I only use the word "comprehend" in an attempt to express
      what is taking place, but, actually - at that moment,
      > there is no self-conscious separate entity present, only a seeing
      > what is there - but not as a separate
      > observer, rather it is more like a being one
      > with what is there - "unselfconsciously".
      > >
      > > Jody: If there is a "seeing" of something, then there must be
      a "seer"
      > > and a "seen." You saw that you were more free, therefore
      > > there was some kind of "you" observing the increased freedom.
      >
      > **** T: Is there not a seeing without the seer? Doesn't this
      > > happen when the observer is no longer self-consciously separate
      from
      > > the observed?
      > > ... It seems that perception can be aware of "what is" without
      > > the function of self-identity,
      >
      >
      > Karta: the above is how I understand Nisargadatta's "keep awareness
      aware on awareness" the *witness* disappears in the NOW.
      **** T: Yes, it appears to be so.
      >
      > *T: and it is only later, after the
      > > experience is over, that one remembers it and says, "I have had
      the
      > > experience".
      > >
      > -----
      > **** T: Yes, of course, but in what I am attempting to describe,
      > > the separate entity only comes in *afterwards*, because, at the
      > > time
      > > of direct contact, the "mind-chatter" is not active, and so NO
      > > self-conscious entity is present.
      > ----
      > at the moment of "experiencing"!
      > > ... It is only afterwards that memory recalls the experience and
      > > incorporates it into the "mind-chatter",
      >
      > **** T: No, I don't think so. Awareness is direct contact and
      direct
      > > perception - without the observer,
      > > ... Only then is mind-chatter unable to create separation.
      >
      > peace-awareness-love, Karta
      **** T: :-)
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