Re: Doubting Jody
- "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr@y...> wrote:
"Jeff Belyea" <jeff@s...> wrote:
> [snip]Pardon, but that is not what I read.
> > Freedom from doubt can mean
> > that in one who has been graced
> > with enlightened realization
> > that there is no longer a search
> > for objective truth, no need for
> > certainty, because "certainty"
> > is known. Clarity is known.
> > And clarity has no questions.
> Yet that isn't what Ganga is suggesting. What she
> (and her passage) suggests is that the mind of one
> who is supposedly enlightened is absolutely free
> from *any* kind of doubt.
> That may make good copy, but it just ain't theEven so, it is difficult to divine (pardon the
> truth, at least for any of those on this page.
expression) the actual reality/perspective
of another... instead, we depend on the words
they post here... we carefully parse the offered
logic, compare concepts with our own knowledge
> That is, all the minds here belie all the normalOne mind may display what another does not;
> doings of minds. These minds may be associated
> with supposedly enlightened folk, or supposedly
> unenlightened folk. But the fact remains that
> these minds display tendencies that would seem
> to refute what Ganga is saying.
yet, there is no actual refutation, only comparison,
with conclusions added as afterthought.
> Realization is not conditioned by anything withinThe difficulty seems to be... that one says that the
> the mind or without. Some may have come to
> realization in the context of a stilled mind, some may
> have come in the context of an active mind.
personal context is realization... and then offers
content which seem, not to come from that context.
The real question is: To 'whom' does that content
seem alien to the (stated/realized) context?
All parties... cling to their own assumed context,
and offer content, usually mindless of discrepancies
so revealed... exceptions are rare... yet, this is known
already, and an accepted part of this peculiar dance...
it may be, that some are unaware of the accepted
protocols of venues such as this, and thus take
offense when questioned, vis, context vs content.
> My point is this: getting frustrated because yourTrue enough... although, in the context of
> brother drank all the milk isn't a sign of enlightenment,
> but nor does it indicate any lack of it.
this particular (G) issue, it may be a matter
of simple naivety... innocence if you will...
So change the analogy to this:
You have set up in advance an existing system
in which, when brother drinks milk and you
feign anger... he is to determine the 'seriousness'
of your 'state' and thus receive the love you actually
feel for him, if he succeeds/passes.
This is done as an initiatory 'test', and will
be repeated until he 'passes' by just laughing
and continuing to drink the milk. It is an
important test, because it represents how
'real life' actually works.