- ... medit8ionsociety ... from now till the cows come home and I m sure you can have some wunnerful peaceful experiences, you can even experience oneness withMessage 1 of 79 , Feb 1, 2003View Source--- In email@example.com,
"judirhodes <judirhodes@z...>" <judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:from now till the cows come home and I'm sure you can have
> > I think it is likely that for 99+% of people, meditation is the
> > valuable bridge that Ganga speaks of,
> ******* There really is no bridge, it's either one or the other and
> never the twain shall meet. "Meditation" is just another act
> of "doing" or "not doing" which leads nowhere except in circles.
> Understanding that entire activity, which is all "self" referential
> is another matter entirely. In other words, you can meditate
some wunnerful peaceful experiences, you can even experience
oneness with god. But understanding, like I said, undermines
ALL experience, mundane or sublime. It's complete freedom
from all experiential adventure.
>G: understanding as you like to call it .... or knowing as i call it
happens in an instant .... first the ground is prepared ... the
seed is planted .... it ripens.... and falls off of the tree.....
for myself it was in a split second ... it was a known that blew
out all the known abouts and concepts ... but without having
come to a stilled place and absolute surrender it wouldn't have
happened.... and that surrender wouldn't have taken place
unless a number a fallacys were pulled away first.... that
happened through meditation - one pointed focus - being in the
moment - vipassana - then self enquiry....
one can walk around saying it is already here and there is
nothing to do until they are blue in the face and it won't change a
thing nor awaken them .... you may postulate that it does ...
you can just accept what is here and still be trapped in the
delusions of your own creation... it is sad that you are so
vehement against everything except your view that one should
simply just give up and accept where they are.... there is a vast
differance in just giving up and in surrender....
surrender comes sometimes after years of yes the dreaded
word *practice* ..... there are many many roads and paths to
enlightenment ... not one ... just as there are vast amounts of
differances and variables in seekers and their conditioned
awarenesses.... the miss judi farm of beating someone into
submission while attractive to some is not the only alternative....
there are many ways and means ... what works for one is a
hinderance to another.... the thing is to find the keys that open
your awareness and ability to surrender to what IS ... the key to
unlock the door to walk through and leave the ego "I" behind with
it's resulting dramas and sufferings.....
it is easy to sit on the judi throne of disdain and continue to play
the littany over and over again.... that there is nothing to get...
and no where to go.... Wonderful it might have worked for you....
i don't say that it didn't.... but clearly it does not work for everyone
or else there wouldn't be so many methods and paths that are
quite viable and remain in place simply because yes they can
and do work......
now how many nay sayer posts can you get out of this one.....
enjoy your circle judi .... watch and around and around she will
go..... the punch and judi show of disdane for anything
except just *Wake Up* ..... if it were that easy judi then all
the people that are not doing anything would already be
free from suffering... but the fact that they are not disproves
your path of simply do nothing.....
shanti om ...g...
- ... nice fit for the ... drives ... and ... Experiences ... them. I just ... there. ... instead of ... your core ... feel ... the ... of ... in ... except ...Message 79 of 79 , Feb 3, 2003View Source--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "tosime"
> I am still a few days behind. However this quote seemed anice fit for the
> daily practice thread.drives
> Charlotte Joko Beck
> TRUE STORIES ABOUT SITTING
> How old were you when you started meditating?
> Beck: Thirty-nine, forty, somewhere in there.
> Did you have any realization through meditation?
> No. Of course we have realizations, but that's not what really
> Will you say more about that?
> I meet all sorts of people who've had all sorts of experiences
> they're still confused and not doing well in their life.Experiences
> are not enough. My students learn that if they have so-calledthem. I just
> experiences, I really don't care much about hearing about
> tell them, "Yeah, that's OK. Don't hold onto it. And how are youthere.
> getting along with your mother?" Otherwise, they get stuck
> It's not the important thing in practice.instead of
> And may I ask you what is?
> Learning to deal with one's personal, egotistical self. That's the
> work. Very, very difficult.
> There seems to be a payoff, though, because you feel alive
> dead.your core
> I wouldn't say a payoff. You're returning to the source, you might
> say-what you always were, but which was severely covered by
> belief and all its systems. And when those get weaker, you dofeel
> joy. I mean, then it's no big deal to do the dishes and clean upthe
> house and go to work and things like that.of
> Doing the dishes is a great meditation-especially if you hate it.
> Well, if your mind wanders to other things while your doing the
> dishes, just return it to the dishes. Meditation isn't something
> special. It's not a special way of being. It's simply being aware
> what is going on.in
> Does sitting meditation prepare the ground to do that?
> Sure. It gives you the strength to face the more complex things
> your life. You're not meeting anything much when your sittingexcept
> your little mind. That's relatively easy when compared to someof the
> complex situation we have to live out way through. Sitting givesyou
> the ability to work with your life.Books are
> I read your books.
> Oh you read. Well, give up reading, OK?
> Give up reading your books?
> Well, they're all tight. Read them once and that's enough.
> useful. But some people read for fifty years, you know. And theyboom,
> haven't begun their practice.
> How would you describe self-discovery?
> You're really just an ongoing set of events: boom, boom, boom,
> boom, one after the other. The awareness is keeping up withthose
> events, seeing your life unfolding as it is-not your ideas of it,not
> your pictures of it. See what I mean?way..."
> How would you define meditation?
> Awareness of what, mentally, physically.
> Can you please complete the following sentence for me. "The
> experience of meditation is..."
> "...awareness of what is."
> "Meditative awareness has changes my life in the following
> "It has changed my life in the direction of it being more
> more satisfactory, more joyful, and more useful, probably."Though I
> don't think much in those terms. I don't wake up in the morninggoing
> thinking, I'm going to be useful. I really think about what I'm
> to have for breakfast.with all
> "The one thing awareness has taught me that I want to share
> people is that..."out
> I don't want to share anything with all people.
> Who do you want to share with?
> Nobody. I just live my life. I don't go around wanting to share
> something. That's extra.
> Could you talk about that a little bit?
> Well, there's a little shade of piety that creeps into practice. You
> know, "I have this wonderful practice, I want to share it with
> everyone." There's an error in that. You could probably figure it
> I think that's something I need to learn.
> You and I know there's nothing that's going to make me run
> faster than somebody who comes around and wants to behelpful. You
> know what I mean? I don't want people to be helpful to me. Ijust
> want to live my own life.G: i agree with this in the way that *realizations* and
> Do you think you share yourself?
> Yeah, but who's that?
*experience* is used these are transitory and fleeting.... i call
them insights and phenomena....
this is quite different than *Realization* which blows out
conceptual insights and phenomena ....
shanti om ..g..