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> I am still a few days behind. However this quote seemed a
nice fit for the
> daily practice thread.
> Charlotte Joko Beck
> TRUE STORIES ABOUT SITTING
> How old were you when you started meditating?
> Beck: Thirty-nine, forty, somewhere in there.
> Did you have any realization through meditation?
> No. Of course we have realizations, but that's not what really
> Will you say more about that?
> I meet all sorts of people who've had all sorts of experiences
> they're still confused and not doing well in their life.
> are not enough. My students learn that if they have so-called
> experiences, I really don't care much about hearing about
them. I just
> tell them, "Yeah, that's OK. Don't hold onto it. And how are you
> getting along with your mother?" Otherwise, they get stuck
> It's not the important thing in practice.
> And may I ask you what is?
> Learning to deal with one's personal, egotistical self. That's the
> work. Very, very difficult.
> There seems to be a payoff, though, because you feel alive
> I wouldn't say a payoff. You're returning to the source, you might
> say-what you always were, but which was severely covered by
> belief and all its systems. And when those get weaker, you do
> joy. I mean, then it's no big deal to do the dishes and clean up
> house and go to work and things like that.
> Doing the dishes is a great meditation-especially if you hate it.
> Well, if your mind wanders to other things while your doing the
> dishes, just return it to the dishes. Meditation isn't something
> special. It's not a special way of being. It's simply being aware
> what is going on.
> Does sitting meditation prepare the ground to do that?
> Sure. It gives you the strength to face the more complex things
> your life. You're not meeting anything much when your sitting
> your little mind. That's relatively easy when compared to some
> complex situation we have to live out way through. Sitting gives
> the ability to work with your life.
> I read your books.
> Oh you read. Well, give up reading, OK?
> Give up reading your books?
> Well, they're all tight. Read them once and that's enough.
> useful. But some people read for fifty years, you know. And they
> haven't begun their practice.
> How would you describe self-discovery?
> You're really just an ongoing set of events: boom, boom, boom,
> boom, one after the other. The awareness is keeping up with
> events, seeing your life unfolding as it is-not your ideas of it,
> your pictures of it. See what I mean?
> How would you define meditation?
> Awareness of what, mentally, physically.
> Can you please complete the following sentence for me. "The
> experience of meditation is..."
> "...awareness of what is."
> "Meditative awareness has changes my life in the following
> "It has changed my life in the direction of it being more
> more satisfactory, more joyful, and more useful, probably."
> don't think much in those terms. I don't wake up in the morning
> thinking, I'm going to be useful. I really think about what I'm
> to have for breakfast.
> "The one thing awareness has taught me that I want to share
> people is that..."
> I don't want to share anything with all people.
> Who do you want to share with?
> Nobody. I just live my life. I don't go around wanting to share
> something. That's extra.
> Could you talk about that a little bit?
> Well, there's a little shade of piety that creeps into practice. You
> know, "I have this wonderful practice, I want to share it with
> everyone." There's an error in that. You could probably figure it
> I think that's something I need to learn.
> You and I know there's nothing that's going to make me run
> faster than somebody who comes around and wants to be
> know what I mean? I don't want people to be helpful to me. I
> want to live my own life.
> Do you think you share yourself?
> Yeah, but who's that?
G: i agree with this in the way that *realizations* and
*experience* is used these are transitory and fleeting.... i call
them insights and phenomena....
this is quite different than *Realization* which blows out
conceptual insights and phenomena ....
shanti om ..g..