Re: Daily Practice
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"musicman153 <musicman153@h...>" <musicman153@h...>
> Greetings one and all,the number of members posting on a regular basis. Curiosity
> Looking forward to getting to know you all. After joining this
> group several days ago I've been watching with amazment at
has me wondering if everyone here has a daily meditation
Practice. I participate in several groups and have found few
dedicated to the pursuit of Higher Consience enough to take the
time to turn off the television perhaps light a candle and still
oneself for long enough to realize that everythings ok. I know for
me the most difficult thing to do was to disipline myself to take
time daily to practice.
> Just to let you know I click on those links you leave, Ifsomeone posts something interesting I look at their profiles find
their homepages and generaly put a personality with the poster
> PeaceG: there are some that may disagree with this but i say yes a
meditation practice is quite valid .... it is a way to allow the mind
to still and subside.... it also gives one the chance to really
encounter all the mind drama that happens for most
*unconsciously* every day..... in this you can see and then
question these patterns.... eventually you get to the point where
it naturally arises to question the "I" identity and belief directly.....
Once that is broken through then the conditioinings fall away.....
eventually you will find that the tool of meditation is no longer
required for the mind will remain in a stilled state.... what
thoughts rise will be like clouds with no substance..... at that
point one remains in meditation without the need to do active
whatever comes will be encountered in Pure Awareness minus
the minds ramblings and judgements and catagorizations....
the past and future ruminations will be at an end ... the Now will
be encountered as it IS.... Peace will be the heart center of your
awareness and not something clung to or manufactured.... there
will simply be a calm center in the midst of any rising storm that
may appear on the surface..... you will no longer be drug out into
another maelstrom of mind and it's resulting emotional
so yes.... i say that meditation practice is valuable until it falls
away as a tool and bridge no longer needed.... it is not the end
within itself but is a bridge to encounter what is already here in a
shanti om ..g... welcome...
- --- In email@example.com, "tosime"
> I am still a few days behind. However this quote seemed anice fit for the
> daily practice thread.drives
> Charlotte Joko Beck
> TRUE STORIES ABOUT SITTING
> How old were you when you started meditating?
> Beck: Thirty-nine, forty, somewhere in there.
> Did you have any realization through meditation?
> No. Of course we have realizations, but that's not what really
> Will you say more about that?
> I meet all sorts of people who've had all sorts of experiences
> they're still confused and not doing well in their life.Experiences
> are not enough. My students learn that if they have so-calledthem. I just
> experiences, I really don't care much about hearing about
> tell them, "Yeah, that's OK. Don't hold onto it. And how are youthere.
> getting along with your mother?" Otherwise, they get stuck
> It's not the important thing in practice.instead of
> And may I ask you what is?
> Learning to deal with one's personal, egotistical self. That's the
> work. Very, very difficult.
> There seems to be a payoff, though, because you feel alive
> dead.your core
> I wouldn't say a payoff. You're returning to the source, you might
> say-what you always were, but which was severely covered by
> belief and all its systems. And when those get weaker, you dofeel
> joy. I mean, then it's no big deal to do the dishes and clean upthe
> house and go to work and things like that.of
> Doing the dishes is a great meditation-especially if you hate it.
> Well, if your mind wanders to other things while your doing the
> dishes, just return it to the dishes. Meditation isn't something
> special. It's not a special way of being. It's simply being aware
> what is going on.in
> Does sitting meditation prepare the ground to do that?
> Sure. It gives you the strength to face the more complex things
> your life. You're not meeting anything much when your sittingexcept
> your little mind. That's relatively easy when compared to someof the
> complex situation we have to live out way through. Sitting givesyou
> the ability to work with your life.Books are
> I read your books.
> Oh you read. Well, give up reading, OK?
> Give up reading your books?
> Well, they're all tight. Read them once and that's enough.
> useful. But some people read for fifty years, you know. And theyboom,
> haven't begun their practice.
> How would you describe self-discovery?
> You're really just an ongoing set of events: boom, boom, boom,
> boom, one after the other. The awareness is keeping up withthose
> events, seeing your life unfolding as it is-not your ideas of it,not
> your pictures of it. See what I mean?way..."
> How would you define meditation?
> Awareness of what, mentally, physically.
> Can you please complete the following sentence for me. "The
> experience of meditation is..."
> "...awareness of what is."
> "Meditative awareness has changes my life in the following
> "It has changed my life in the direction of it being more
> more satisfactory, more joyful, and more useful, probably."Though I
> don't think much in those terms. I don't wake up in the morninggoing
> thinking, I'm going to be useful. I really think about what I'm
> to have for breakfast.with all
> "The one thing awareness has taught me that I want to share
> people is that..."out
> I don't want to share anything with all people.
> Who do you want to share with?
> Nobody. I just live my life. I don't go around wanting to share
> something. That's extra.
> Could you talk about that a little bit?
> Well, there's a little shade of piety that creeps into practice. You
> know, "I have this wonderful practice, I want to share it with
> everyone." There's an error in that. You could probably figure it
> I think that's something I need to learn.
> You and I know there's nothing that's going to make me run
> faster than somebody who comes around and wants to behelpful. You
> know what I mean? I don't want people to be helpful to me. Ijust
> want to live my own life.G: i agree with this in the way that *realizations* and
> Do you think you share yourself?
> Yeah, but who's that?
*experience* is used these are transitory and fleeting.... i call
them insights and phenomena....
this is quite different than *Realization* which blows out
conceptual insights and phenomena ....
shanti om ..g..