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  • G <crystalkundalini@hotmail.com>
    ... musicman153 ... the number of members posting on a regular basis. Curiosity has me wondering if everyone here has a
    Message 1 of 79 , Feb 1, 2003
      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
      "musicman153 <musicman153@h...>" <musicman153@h...>

      > Greetings one and all,
      > Looking forward to getting to know you all. After joining this
      > group several days ago I've been watching with amazment at
      the number of members posting on a regular basis. Curiosity
      has me wondering if everyone here has a daily meditation
      Practice. I participate in several groups and have found few
      dedicated to the pursuit of Higher Consience enough to take the
      time to turn off the television perhaps light a candle and still
      oneself for long enough to realize that everythings ok. I know for
      me the most difficult thing to do was to disipline myself to take
      time daily to practice.
      > Just to let you know I click on those links you leave, If
      someone posts something interesting I look at their profiles find
      their homepages and generaly put a personality with the poster
      > Peace
      > music
      > http://www.angelfire.com/il3/ulcspirit

      G: there are some that may disagree with this but i say yes a
      meditation practice is quite valid .... it is a way to allow the mind
      to still and subside.... it also gives one the chance to really
      encounter all the mind drama that happens for most
      *unconsciously* every day..... in this you can see and then
      question these patterns.... eventually you get to the point where
      it naturally arises to question the "I" identity and belief directly.....
      Once that is broken through then the conditioinings fall away.....

      eventually you will find that the tool of meditation is no longer
      required for the mind will remain in a stilled state.... what
      thoughts rise will be like clouds with no substance..... at that
      point one remains in meditation without the need to do active

      whatever comes will be encountered in Pure Awareness minus
      the minds ramblings and judgements and catagorizations....
      the past and future ruminations will be at an end ... the Now will
      be encountered as it IS.... Peace will be the heart center of your
      awareness and not something clung to or manufactured.... there
      will simply be a calm center in the midst of any rising storm that
      may appear on the surface..... you will no longer be drug out into
      another maelstrom of mind and it's resulting emotional

      so yes.... i say that meditation practice is valuable until it falls
      away as a tool and bridge no longer needed.... it is not the end
      within itself but is a bridge to encounter what is already here in a
      clear way.....

      shanti om ..g... welcome...
    • G <crystalkundalini@hotmail.com>
      ... nice fit for the ... drives ... and ... Experiences ... them. I just ... there. ... instead of ... your core ... feel ... the ... of ... in ... except ...
      Message 79 of 79 , Feb 3, 2003
        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "tosime"
        <tosime@b...> wrote:
        > I am still a few days behind. However this quote seemed a
        nice fit for the
        > daily practice thread.
        > ...Tony
        > Charlotte Joko Beck
        > How old were you when you started meditating?
        > Beck: Thirty-nine, forty, somewhere in there.
        > Did you have any realization through meditation?
        > No. Of course we have realizations, but that's not what really
        > practice.
        > Will you say more about that?
        > I meet all sorts of people who've had all sorts of experiences
        > they're still confused and not doing well in their life.
        > are not enough. My students learn that if they have so-called
        > experiences, I really don't care much about hearing about
        them. I just
        > tell them, "Yeah, that's OK. Don't hold onto it. And how are you
        > getting along with your mother?" Otherwise, they get stuck
        > It's not the important thing in practice.
        > And may I ask you what is?
        > Learning to deal with one's personal, egotistical self. That's the
        > work. Very, very difficult.
        > There seems to be a payoff, though, because you feel alive
        instead of
        > dead.
        > I wouldn't say a payoff. You're returning to the source, you might
        > say-what you always were, but which was severely covered by
        your core
        > belief and all its systems. And when those get weaker, you do
        > joy. I mean, then it's no big deal to do the dishes and clean up
        > house and go to work and things like that.
        > Doing the dishes is a great meditation-especially if you hate it.
        > Well, if your mind wanders to other things while your doing the
        > dishes, just return it to the dishes. Meditation isn't something
        > special. It's not a special way of being. It's simply being aware
        > what is going on.
        > Does sitting meditation prepare the ground to do that?
        > Sure. It gives you the strength to face the more complex things
        > your life. You're not meeting anything much when your sitting
        > your little mind. That's relatively easy when compared to some
        of the
        > complex situation we have to live out way through. Sitting gives
        > the ability to work with your life.
        > I read your books.
        > Oh you read. Well, give up reading, OK?
        > Give up reading your books?
        > Well, they're all tight. Read them once and that's enough.
        Books are
        > useful. But some people read for fifty years, you know. And they
        > haven't begun their practice.
        > How would you describe self-discovery?
        > You're really just an ongoing set of events: boom, boom, boom,
        > boom, one after the other. The awareness is keeping up with
        > events, seeing your life unfolding as it is-not your ideas of it,
        > your pictures of it. See what I mean?
        > How would you define meditation?
        > Awareness of what, mentally, physically.
        > Can you please complete the following sentence for me. "The
        > experience of meditation is..."
        > "...awareness of what is."
        > "Meditative awareness has changes my life in the following
        > "It has changed my life in the direction of it being more
        > more satisfactory, more joyful, and more useful, probably."
        Though I
        > don't think much in those terms. I don't wake up in the morning
        > thinking, I'm going to be useful. I really think about what I'm
        > to have for breakfast.
        > "The one thing awareness has taught me that I want to share
        with all
        > people is that..."
        > I don't want to share anything with all people.
        > Who do you want to share with?
        > Nobody. I just live my life. I don't go around wanting to share
        > something. That's extra.
        > Could you talk about that a little bit?
        > Well, there's a little shade of piety that creeps into practice. You
        > know, "I have this wonderful practice, I want to share it with
        > everyone." There's an error in that. You could probably figure it
        > yourself.
        > I think that's something I need to learn.
        > You and I know there's nothing that's going to make me run
        > faster than somebody who comes around and wants to be
        helpful. You
        > know what I mean? I don't want people to be helpful to me. I
        > want to live my own life.
        > Do you think you share yourself?
        > Yeah, but who's that?

        G: i agree with this in the way that *realizations* and
        *experience* is used these are transitory and fleeting.... i call
        them insights and phenomena....
        this is quite different than *Realization* which blows out
        conceptual insights and phenomena ....

        shanti om ..g..
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