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  • aneternalnow
    I too have practiced self-inquiry and attain self-realization i.e. realized the I AM and Witness. Then further insights revealed more about the no-self
    Message 1 of 6 , Jan 23, 2012
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      I too have practiced self-inquiry and attain self-realization i.e. realized the I AM and Witness. Then further insights revealed more about the 'no-self' nature: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html

      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@...> wrote:
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      > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "walto" <calhorn@> wrote:
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      > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@> wrote:
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      > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "walto" <calhorn@> wrote:
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      > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@> wrote:
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      > > > > "Your inner Witness is what is capable of observing
      > > > > your minds creations. It is always here, now. Your
      > > > > senses operate when you are awake, and you react slave-like
      > > > > to their input. Your mind alone is in operation when
      > > > > you dream."
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      > > > > FWlittleIW, Sri Bob, that is not my (Bhuddist/Humean) take on the matter.
      > > > >
      > > > > As Chandrakirti states:
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      > > > > "A chariot is not asserted to be other than its parts,
      > > > > Nor non-other. It also does not possess them.
      > > > > It is not in the parts, nor are the parts in it.
      > > > > It is not the mere collection [of its parts], nor is it their shape.
      > > > > [The self and the aggregates are] similar."
      > > > >
      > > > > And Padmasambhava states:
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      > > > > "The mind that observes is also devoid of an ego or self-entity.
      > > > > It is neither seen as something different from the aggregates
      > > > > Nor as identical with these five aggregates.
      > > > > If the first were true, there would exist some other substance.
      > > > >
      > > > > "This is not the case, so were the second true,
      > > > > That would contradict a permanent self, since the aggregates are impermanent.
      > > > > Therefore, based on the five aggregates,
      > > > > The self is a mere imputation based on the power of the ego-clinging."
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      > > > > http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2011/10/anatta-not-self-or-no-self.html
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      > > > > W
      > > > >
      > > > Yo W,
      > > > Interesting stuff! Not really over or under-standing
      > > > exactly or even semi-exactly what the quotes are
      > > > getting at or concluding. I did witness my thoughts
      > > > being stimulated as they flowed by when I read the
      > > > quotes, so a seed has been planted and I'm interested
      > > > in how you would say this in Ameri-English if you
      > > > feel inclined to share some commentary. And if not,
      > > > "Never-mind" as is said in Zen practice. And that's,
      > > > as St Martha would say "A good thing".
      > > > Peace and blessings,
      > > > Bob
      > > >
      > >
      > > I guess I'm just (look at the two "I"s there!) in the "no-self" school, Bob. That is, I don't think there's any ME (or "inner witness") over and above/other than my thoughts, memories, feelings, body, etc.
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      > > That position has been very controversial for over a thousand years, of course, and--as I've often said here--I'm quite often wrong. But FWIW, I think one of the main (perhaps the most important) advance of Buddhism over earlier Vedantic thought, was getting off the whole Atman/Self thing.
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      > > I'm sure there are people on this list with much more expertise/knowledge of the historical and doctrinal matters than I have, though. So, leaving those alone, I'll just say that, like Hume (and Parfit), I find no self--outside the passing show. Somehow comforting that take, too.
      > >
      > > Best,
      > >
      > > W
      > >
      > Yes W, I kinda, sorta saw my thoughts going towards
      > a leaning towards a Buddhist vs Advaita Vedanta
      > seeming conflict, as what you were pointing to.
      > But personally, my person's presentation in this
      > incarnation has had virtually, identically the
      > same experiential events and "results" that methods
      > of "Self-enquiry" as well as those of insight and
      > mindfulness have initiated. To the so-called "me",
      > both can be characterized as sticks that help the
      > fire be stimulated and then are thrown into the fire
      > to burn up with the rest of the kindling. And...Ah,
      > the warmth, light, sounds, etc are then simply enjoyed.
      >
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