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  • dan330033
    You don t know what I m getting or not getting, Walto. What you think you know, is what an image in your mind that you ve constructed after reading words - is
    Message 1 of 193 , Sep 6, 2011
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      You don't know what I'm getting or not getting, Walto.

      What you think you know, is what an image in your mind that you've constructed after reading words - is getting or not getting.

      But ... really, you don't even know that.

      There isn't anything to get, my friend, nor anyone existing apart who could get something like that, even if it could have existed ...

      - D -



      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "walto" <calhorn@...> wrote:
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      > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "dan330033" <dan330033@> wrote:
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      > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "walto" <calhorn@> wrote:
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      > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "walto" <calhorn@> wrote:
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      > > > Maybe I just disagree with you? We could agree to disagree: In fact, each could acknowledge that the other was correct and that his position wasn't necessarily a function of some psychological defect. I'm willing to do that--Are you?
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      > > > I didn't put that well. Obviously, neither of us is likely to acknowledge that the other is "correct." I should have said something like "each could acknowledge that the other takes a different view of the matter, but that his position isn't necessarily a function of some psychological defect or incompleteness. I'm willing to do that--Are you?"
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      > > > Sorry for any confusion.
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      > > there is no separably existing "you" to hold a view, nor is there any way that sentences being typed can constitute an actual view that can be agreed with or disagreed with.
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      > Right. Here's what you're not getting: what you have written above is something I disagree with. That is, it is my view that you're wrong that there is no separately existing me for you to disagree with. (You could write that six more times and I still would think it's quite false--Seven or more times, I make no promises...)
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      > OTOH, "Sentences being typed" can refer either to what philosophers call types or to what they call tokens, so, depending on what you what you intended, It seems very likely to me, though, that you have disagreed with what I have written in the very post to which I'm now responding. I guess it's Eastern to say in one breath "You're wrong that you are independent and have views separate from mine" and "There is nothing you write that I could disagree with because we aren't actually separate." Such contradictions do have a nice Eastern feel to them and make one pleasantly dizzy, but are not my thing nevertheless.
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      > Your position is no doubt sexier and more "spiritual"--plus it's nice for nothing to require effort. I nevertheless don't agree with it.
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      > Strange as it may seem, however, I don't like to argue. Although I'm admittedly quite often wrong (about nearly everything), it's also my view that that happens to be the case with everyone. Almost everybody is almost always wrong about almost everything. I'm quite cognizant of the fact that I'm not likely to convince anybody (and, as said, my views are not too sexy, even if I've leaned on the Eightfold Path to make them, so I'll shut up now. Plus (as you sensibly suggest below) it sucks to be late for dinner.
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      > Best wishes,
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      > > as for what this is - one knows this directly - and is clear that words aren't adding to what this is, nor can they diminish it.
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      > > sharing words is for fun and enjoyment - but not to establish something ...
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      > > what the heck is this, then?
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      > > call this clear light, call it being - just don't call it late for dinner ...
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      > > peace,
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      > > - d -
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    • medit8ionsociety
      Question: I have a growing desire to see God. It has become the thing I want most. But no matter how much I long for Him, my worldly duties and needs get in
      Message 193 of 193 , Dec 25, 2014
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        Question: I have a growing desire to see God. It has become the thing I want most. But no matter how much I long for Him, my worldly duties and needs get in the way. Can you help me?


        Sri Swami Satchidananda: How do you know that you have not seen Him? I heard Him saying, "I have been in front of this person so many times, but he never even recognized Me. He was calling, calling, calling for Me. So I went there many times, stood right in front of him, and he didn't even bother to look at Me. He just brushed Me aside and kept on saying, 'God, where are You? Where are You?'"


        Before you look for God, you should know what He looks like, or at least what God is. God has no particular form, but He appears in all forms and names. It is with His consciousness that I am saying all these things; and with His consciousness, you are listening. To simplify it, we say that God is all consciousness - superconsciousness, cosmic consciousness - or peace. God is already there in you as peace, but you disturb your peace by searching for God. Stop searching and disturbing your peace, and you will experience God. A disturbed mind can never understand God. Looking for God is not our first and foremost duty. Our first and foremost duty is to take care not to let the mind lose its peace. You don't have to make the mind peaceful. If you leave it alone, it is peaceful. In our own lives we should see that we don't lose our peace due to our thoughts, words, actions.


        Learn to remain undisturbed, unshakeable, as steady as the Rock of Gibraltar. You should treasure the peace of your mind so much that nothing, nothing, nothing would shake you. You should be ready to renounce anything and everything that is going to disturb your peace. Name, fame, money, power, position, relatives, friends - all should be secondary to maintaining your peace. Everything else is nothing compared to peace of mind. With that peace, you will easily see God.


        Om shant. Om shanti. Om shanti.


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