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Re: Some non-sense from Huang Po and Bodhidharma

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  • medit8ionsociety
    Concepts shattering mind-less Brilliance!
    Message 1 of 2 , Sep 24, 2010
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      Concepts shattering mind-less Brilliance!

      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sandeep chatterjee <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > Q : From all you have said, Mind is Buddha, but it
      > is not clear as to what sort of mind is meant by this "Mind which is
      > Buddha."
      >
      >  
      > A: How many minds have you got ?
      >  
      > Q: But is the Buddha the ordinary mind or the
      > Enlightened mind ?
      >  
      > A: Where on earth do you keep your "ordinary mind"
      > and your "Enlightened mind" ?
      >  
      > Q: In the teaching of the Three Vehicles it is
      > stated that there are both. Why do you deny it ?
      >  
      > A: In the teaching of the Three Vehicles it is
      > clearly explained that the ordinary mind and the Enlightened minds are
      > illusions.
      >
      >
      > You don't understand. All this clinging to the idea of things
      > existing is to mistake vacuity for the truth. How can such conceptions not be
      > illusory?
      >
      >
      > Being illusory, they hide Mind from you. If you would only rid
      > yourselves of the concept of ordinary and Enlightened, you would find that there
      > is no other Buddha than the Buddha in your own Mind.
      > When Bodhidharma came from
      > the West, he just pointed out that the substance of which all men are composed
      > is Buddha.
      >
      >
      > You people go on misunderstanding; you hold concepts such as
      > "ordinary" and "Enlightened", distracting your thoughts outwards where they
      > gallop like horses!
      >
      >
      > All this amounts to declouding your own minds.
      >
      >
      > So I tell you
      > Mind is the Buddha. As soon as thought or sensation arises, you fall into
      > dualism. Beginningless time and the present moment are the same.
      >
      >
      > There is no
      > this and no that.
      >
      >
      > To understand this truth is called complete and unexcelled
      > Enlightenment.
      >
      >  
      > Q: Upon what Doctrine do you base these
      > words?
      >  
      > A: Why seek a doctrine? As soon as you have a
      > doctrine, you again fall into dualistic thought.
      >  
      > Q: Just now you said that beginningless past and
      > the present are the same. What do you mean by that ?
      >  
      > A: It is just because of your seeking that you
      > make a difference between them.
      >
      >
      > If you were to stop seeking, how could there be
      > any difference between them?
      >
      >  
      > Q: If they are not different, why do you employ
      > separate terms for them?
      >  
      > A: If you hadn't mentioned ordinary and
      > Enlightened, who would have bothered to say such things?
      >
      >
      > Just as those
      > categories have no real existence, no Mind is not really "mind".
      >
      >
      > And, as both
      > Mind and those categories are really illusions, wherever can you hope to find
      > anything?
      >
      >  
      > Q: Illusion can hide from us our own mind, but up
      > to now you have not taught up how to get rid of illusion.
      >  
      > A: The arising and elimination of illusion are
      > both illusory.
      >
      >
      > Illusion is not something rooted in Reality, it exists because of
      > your dualistic thinking.
      >
      >
      > If you would only cease to indulge in opposed concepts
      > such as "ordinary" and "Enlightened", illusion will cease of itself.
      >
      >
      > And then if
      > you still want to destroy it wherever it may be, you will find that there is not
      > a hairsbreadth left of anything on which to lay hold.
      >
      >
      > This is the meaning of: "I
      > wil let go with both hands, for then I shall certainly discover the Buddha in my
      > mind."
      >
      >  
      > Q: If there is nothing on which to lay hold, how
      > is the Dharma to be transmitted?
      >  
      > A: It is a transmission of Mind with
      > Mind.
      >  
      > Q: If Mind is used for transmission, why do you
      > say that Mind does not exist?
      >  
      > A: Obtaining no Dharma whatever is called Mind
      > transmission. The understanding of this implies no Mind and no
      > Dharma.
      >  
      > Q: If there is no Mind and No Dharma, what is
      > meant by transmission?
      >  
      > A: You hear people speak of Mind transmission and
      > then you talk of something to be received. So Bodhidharma said :
      >  
      > The nature of Mind when
      > understood
      > No human speech can compass or
      > disclose.
      > Enlightenment is naught to be
      > attained,
      > And he that gains it does not say he
      > knows.
      >
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