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  • WestWindWood
    ... From: medit8ionsociety Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Article About Life After Death To:
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      --- On Sun, 11/22/09, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      From: medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Article About Life After Death
      To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 7:07 PM

       

      The "Mary Problem" of course can be ametaphor as to a person who studies meditation, but has not had an enlightenment experience.  Mary could choose to believe that color does not exist and be a color atheist; after all that could be the logical conclusion if she wants to go by her own experience, or she could be a color agnostic. The experience of enlightenment is so indescribable that the Buddhist position is that you may as well be an atheist so that you have no preconceived notion.  As it is, the beginner’s mind, the first experience, might not even be recognized as enlightenment and the opportunity of pursuit lost because the importance of the experience is not understood.  This is one of the reasons why a teacher is necessary.  Maybe though, if Mary had a prism to separate colors from white light, that would be sufficient to convince her and cause her to find some way out of her limited experience in the black and white room. Maybe a glimpse is sufficient.


      From the Sunday Phila Inquirer:
      Mind over matter


      In 1986, philosopher Frank Jackson broadened Nagel's
      argument into a refutation of all materialist attempts
      to explain mental states in purely physical terms.
      In what has come to be called the "Mary problem,"
      Jackson envisioned a brilliant scientist named Mary
      who is locked in a black-and-white room from which
      she investigates the world by way of a black-and-white
      television monitor. As a specialist in the
      neurophysiology of vision, Mary knows everything
      there is to know about color. She understands how
      different wavelengths of light stimulate the retina,
      and how those are channeled to the visual areas
      in the brain, resulting in such statements as "The
      sky is blue" and "Tomatoes are red."

      Now here's Jackson's question: Suppose Mary finally
      gets a color TV monitor or is released from her
      black-and-white room into the outside world. Will
      Mary learn something that she didn't know before?
      Jackson says she obviously would. She would for
      the first time know what it's like to see the blue
      sky or red tomatoes. These experiences would teach
      her something about color that all her previous
      knowledge could not.




    • medit8ionsociety
      ... metaphor as to a person who studies meditation, but has not had an enlightenment experience. Mary could choose to believe that color does not exist and be
      Message 2 of 3 , Nov 25, 2009
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        WestWindWood <westwindwood2003@...> wrote:

        >The "Mary Problem" of course can be a
        metaphor as to a person who studies meditation,
        but has not had an enlightenment experience.
        Mary could choose to believe that color
        does not exist and be a color
        atheist; after all that could be the logical
        conclusion if she wants to go by her own experience,
        or she could be a color agnostic. The experience of
        enlightenment is so indescribable that the Buddhist
        position is that you may as well be an atheist
        so that you have no preconceived
        notion.  As it is, the beginners mind,
        the first experience, might not even be
        recognized as enlightenment and the
        opportunity of pursuit lost because the
        importance of the experience is not
        understood. This is one of the reasons
        why a teacher is necessary.Maybe though, if
        Mary had a prism to separate colors from
        white light, that would be sufficient to
        convince her and cause her to find some
        way out of her limited experience in the
        black and white room. Maybe a glimpse is sufficient.
        ------------------------------------------------------
        >>And a question arises: "How to" have a glimpse
        and/or "experience enlightenment"? Perhaps a teacher
        can help, perhaps this or that, but I think
        for sure that Meditation prepares the soil
        for the fruits of wisdom to grow.
        ------------------------------------------------------
        "The Divine light comes not through open doors,
        but only through narrow slits. The aspirant sees
        the Divine Ray as a sunbeam passing through a
        crack into a dark room. It is like a `flash of
        lightning.' This sudden illumination chokes all
        sounds of words. The aspirant is spell-bound in
        ecstasy and awe. He trembles with love and awe...
        So bright and glorious is the Light environing the
        Divine that the initiate is dazzled and bewildered."

        Swami Sivananada

        > From the Sunday Phila Inquirer:
        >
        > Mind over matter
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > In 1986, philosopher Frank Jackson broadened Nagel's
        >
        > argument into a refutation of all materialist attempts
        >
        > to explain mental states in purely physical terms.
        >
        > In what has come to be called the "Mary problem,"
        >
        > Jackson envisioned a brilliant scientist named Mary
        >
        > who is locked in a black-and-white room from which
        >
        > she investigates the world by way of a black-and-white
        >
        > television monitor. As a specialist in the
        >
        > neurophysiology of vision, Mary knows everything
        >
        > there is to know about color. She understands how
        >
        > different wavelengths of light stimulate the retina,
        >
        > and how those are channeled to the visual areas
        >
        > in the brain, resulting in such statements as "The
        >
        > sky is blue" and "Tomatoes are red."
        >
        >
        >
        > Now here's Jackson's question: Suppose Mary finally
        >
        > gets a color TV monitor or is released from her
        >
        > black-and-white room into the outside world. Will
        >
        > Mary learn something that she didn't know before?
        >
        > Jackson says she obviously would. She would for
        >
        > the first time know what it's like to see the blue
        >
        > sky or red tomatoes. These experiences would teach
        >
        > her something about color that all her previous
        >
        > knowledge could not.
        >
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