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Re: [Meditation Society of America] Osho on False Buddhahood

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  • Jeff Belyea
    There is an interesting tale (myth?) about when Gautama (Buddha) awakened and was walking along a path down the mountain when he met a monk. In his delight,
    Message 1 of 3 , Jul 19, 2009
      There is an interesting tale (myth?)
      about when Gautama (Buddha) awakened
      and was walking along a path down
      the mountain when he met a monk. In
      his delight, Buddha told the monk
      that he had awakened.

      The story goes that the monk continued
      on his way, shaking his head, saying...

      "If only it were so."

      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay <bethjams9@...> wrote:
      > I have often thought that was the case that's why I am very sceptical about peoples claims!
      > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      > From: medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
      > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Osho on False Buddhahood
      > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:32 PM
      > Question: Is it possible to believe that
      > one has just attained Buddhahood? And is
      > it possible just to believe like that only
      > because of the ego? And if it is possible,
      > then how to avoid it?Osho : IT IS VERY MUCH
      > POSSIBLE. Many times your ego will I deceive
      > you. It will say, "You have arrived, you have
      > attained." By saying that it will prevent you
      > from attaining, because when you have attained
      > there is no need to make any more effort. When
      > you have already attained, then what is the
      > point of going on troubling yourself? That is
      > the last trap ego throws at you.
      > First it says, "It is foolish to try to attain
      > Buddhahood. It does not happen in the very nature
      > of things. It is all nonsense, fiction. Don't be
      > mystified by these words!" First the ego will
      > say, "It is impossible. It has never happened
      > and it is not going to happen." But if you don't
      > listen and you go on and on, the ego will try many
      > other ways to distract you.
      > The last will be: one day, seeing that now you
      > don't listen, the ego can say to you, "Now look!
      > You have had it, it has happened. This is satori,
      > this is samadhi. You have become a Buddha." This
      > has to be encountered by every seeker.
      > The real enemy is not outside you, and the real
      > distraction never comes from the outside -- it
      > comes from the inside. Buddha has said, "The enemy
      > is within, and the friend is within -- both are
      > within you." If you listen to the enemy, the ego,
      > it will go on befooling you, deluding you.
      > Naturally, there is nothing much more than
      > Buddhahood. If the ego can feel that "I have
      > attained" then you are at the top of the world.
      > Even an Alexander is nothing before you. The
      > richest man is just poor before you; the most
      > powerful man is nothing, helpless before you.
      > You have become omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent --
      > you have become a god. The ego can do that. And it
      > will do! Unless you are very, very alert.
      > And when it starts playing such tricks on you,
      > you will tend to accept it because it is so sweet
      > It is so beautiful to accept these ideas. Knowing
      > well that nothing has happened -- because how can
      > you befool yourself? -- knowing well that nothing
      > has happened, still you will tend to become a victim.
      > Two old men meet on a corner.
      > First old man: "Where have you been for the past eight weeks?"
      > Second old man: "In jail."
      > First old man: "You in jail? How come?"
      > Second old man: "Well, about eight weeks ago I
      > was standing on a corner, and this beautiful young
      > girl rushes up with a policeman and says, 'He's the
      > man, officer. He's the one who attacked me.' I tell
      > you, I felt so flattered, I admitted it."
      > It is possible. A man of eighty, if a beautiful girl
      > rushes up with a policeman and says, "This man has
      > attacked me," can feel flattered. It is worth going
      > to jail for a few weeks. He could not say no.
      > When the idea is thrown at you from your ego that
      > you have attained, it is so charming, it is so
      > hypnotizing, it is so attractive, it is incomparably
      > attractive. And knowing well somewhere deep down --
      > how can you not know? -- knowing well, perfectly,
      > that it has not happened! You are just the same,
      > with the same anger, with the same jealousy, with
      > the same possessiveness, with ALL the nonsense that
      > has been there -- it is still there. But still you
      > would like to accept it.
      > Then you ask me: AND IF IT CAN HAPPEN LIKE THAT,
      > The only way to know, the only way to judge
      > whether it has really happened or is just an
      > ego trap, is that when it really happens you
      > don't have the feeling of attainment at all.
      > When it REALLY happens you don't feel that you
      > have attained. You don't feel that you have arrived,
      > that you have achieved. There is no trace of
      > achievement at all -- because WHO can achieve
      > it? In the very process of achieving it you have
      > disappeared, so who call claim it? Who can say,
      > "I have come, I have attained"? The 'I' is no more!
      > This is the only criterion: when you really attain,
      > there is no feeling of attainment at all. There is
      > NOBODY to attain it and nobody to claim it. There
      > is immense silence. All that garbage of attainment
      > -- of attaining this and attaining that -- has all
      > disappeared. The whole crowd has gone. You are left
      > utterly in silence. Not even for a single moment
      > does the idea arise: "Now I have attained!"
      > And you know it has happened, but there is no
      > feeling of attainment. Let me repeat: You know
      > it has happened. But remember, it is a happening --
      > because you don't find yourself at all! You are
      > not there! It HAS happened! You are empty, you are
      > absent; you look in all directions and you don't
      > find yourself at all. You are nowhere to be found.
      > That old guy has disappeared without leaving a trace.
      > You KNOW it! It has happened, but there is no
      > feeling of attainment.
      > Attainment is an ego feeling; achievement is
      > the desire of the ego. So remember the difference
      > between a happening and an achieving. Ego is the
      > achiever. So if any trace of achievement lingers
      > in you, and any feeling of attainment comes to
      > you, and you start feeling strong, worthy, great --
      > then you can be certain you have missed again.
      > When it really happens, there is no claimant
      > left. One simply is it. Not that you become
      > Buddha -- suddenly you understand you are not,
      > only Buddha is. It brings great humbleness.
      > There is no assertion.
      > Source: from his book
      > "Zen: The Path of Paradox, Volume 3" by Osho
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