Re: The Lone Poster/Deep and Deeper
- sean tremblay <bethjams9@...> wrote:
>If you can start the day without caffeine or pep pills,
> just a question?
> How does a fella know if he is enlightened and not in a self deluded?
If you can be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains,
If you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles,
If you can eat the same food everyday and be grateful for it,
If you can understand when loved ones are too busy to give you time,
If you can overlook when people take things out
on you when, through no fault of yours, something goes wrong,
If you can take criticism and blame without resentment,
If you can face the world without lies and deceit,
If you can conquer tension without medical help,
If you can relax without liquor,
If you can sleep without the aid of drugs,
If you can do all these things, ..........
Then you're Enlightened ...
or more likely, you are the family dog...
Jeff Belyea wrote:
At the risk of appearing
a post hog, a couple of
points in response to
Sandeep and Dan -
(No supporting cast of
About contrast as the
way to know:
It's the way we learn
and process with the
linear, rational faculties,
but with enlightened
without contrast is
You have gathered the words Jeff but have no clue.
The term "revelation" is another fancy word for an experience.
Knowing in which no contrasts prevails......is not an experience.
An experience is a durational event and exists only in contrast...... the time when the experience has not yet started
in contrast to the time when it has ended.
It makes no difference whether the duration of the experience is 60 secs or a 1000 years.
And whether the sense of qualification surrounding the experience is that of "profoundity" or "profanity".
into pure being is a
step into the bliss
acceptance of every
circumstance and event
Well, it would appear that you have yet to step, eh Jeff?
Whatever Dan was stating, whatever be the pointing of this prattling.....is hardly acceptable and ......far from perfect.
life lived by intuition,
inspiration and revelation.
Rather than rushing to a key board to punch out a defense Jeff.....observe the arising reaction at the grade given to your fine exposition.
And that will indicate how much of life is being lived in intuition, inspiration and revelation.
About the localized
experience as illusory:
Enlightenment and the
joy it brings is not
localized. The self is
not the experiencer of
And yet you seem to have noted all sorts of descriptions for this non-experienced experience.
the self dissolves into
the One of absolute
perfection of Self-
Dear Jeff......for a dissolving to occur......an apriori existence is a must.
Reference to this
Self-Realization of Oneness
necessarily uses the
dualistic vehicle of
language, and speaks
in the dualistic context of
Which is why the very referencing ......forget what the content of the referencing may be....
......is akin one of the characters in your last night sleep dream......
referencing...... no doubt profoundly and even using the language of the heart for the referencing ..
.... the shape of your nose.
Hiding behind the excuse that language is dualistic is an age old fig leaf, dear Jeff.
Language which is sequenced sounds or sequenced pixels on a PC screen is never dualistic.
There is fact nothing in phenomenality that is dualistic.
who speak of enlightened
speak in the language
of the heart.
Those who speak ....."OF".... enlightened awakening speak in the language of accumulations and gatherings.
Accumulated bromides and gathered phrases.
Knowing without contrasts............... does not have the space........ to allow the existence of an "of".
The language of the heart
is not comprehended by
those who have not learned
The language of the heart can never be learnt.
When all learning gets casted aside.......the heart beating in resonance with the universal pulse is audible.
Audible............ but not to an ear.
And from that resonance springs forth creativity.
and they hear the
report as coming from
ego and self-reference -
Meditation is the study
hall for learning the
language of the heart.
As soon as thought creeps up as "Meditation is...X,Y,Z"....
.....meditation is obscured.
And the emptying of the very emptying.
DooooBeee Doooo .......Dooo Beeeee Doooooo