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  • medit8ionsociety
    ... If you can start the day without caffeine or pep pills, If you can be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains, If you can resist complaining and boring people
    Message 1 of 8 , Jun 22, 2009
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      sean tremblay <bethjams9@...> wrote:
      >
      > just a question?
      > How does a fella know if he is enlightened and not in a self deluded?
      >

      If you can start the day without caffeine or pep pills,
      If you can be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains,
      If you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles,
      If you can eat the same food everyday and be grateful for it,
      If you can understand when loved ones are too busy to give you time,
      If you can overlook when people take things out
      on you when, through no fault of yours, something goes wrong,
      If you can take criticism and blame without resentment,
      If you can face the world without lies and deceit,
      If you can conquer tension without medical help,
      If you can relax without liquor,
      If you can sleep without the aid of drugs,

      If you can do all these things, ..........

      Then you're Enlightened ...
      or more likely, you are the family dog...
    • Sandeep
      /*Hi Jeff, Greetings */ ... /*You have gathered the words Jeff but have no clue. The term revelation is another fancy word for an experience. Knowing in
      Message 2 of 8 , Jun 22, 2009
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        Hi Jeff,

        Greetings

        Jeff Belyea wrote:

        At the risk of appearing
        a post hog, a couple of
        points in response to
        Sandeep and Dan -

        (No supporting cast of
        quotes)

        About contrast as the
        way to know:

        It's the way we learn
        and process with the
        linear, rational faculties,
        but with enlightened
        awakening,a "Knowing"
        without contrast is
        revealed.


















        You have gathered the words Jeff but have no clue.

        The term "revelation" is another fancy word for an experience.

        Knowing in which no contrasts prevails......is not an experience.

        Why not?

        An experience is a durational event and exists only in contrast...... the time when the experience has not yet started
        in contrast to the time when it has ended.

        It makes no difference whether the duration of the experience is 60 secs or a 1000 years.

        And  whether the
        sense of qualification surrounding the experience  is that of "profoundity" or "profanity".
         





        The step
        into pure being is a
        step into the bliss
        of unconditional
        acceptance of every
        circumstance and event
        as 'perfect'.








        Well, it would appear that you have yet to step, eh Jeff?

        Whatever Dan was stating, whatever be the pointing of this prattling.....is hardly acceptable and ......far from  perfect.

        For Jeff.

        :-)


        This is
        life lived by intuition,
        inspiration and revelation.




        Baloney.

        STOP.

        Rather than rushing to a key board to punch out a defense Jeff.....observe the arising reaction at the grade given to your fine exposition.

        And that will indicate how much of life is being lived in intuition, inspiration and revelation.




        About the localized
        experience as illusory:

        Enlightenment and the
        joy it brings is not
        localized. The self is
        not the experiencer of
        enlightened awakening,









        OK.

        No self.

        And yet you seem to have noted all sorts of descriptions for this non-experienced experience.




        the self dissolves into
        the One of absolute
        perfection of Self-
        Realization.





        Dear Jeff......for a dissolving to occur......an apriori existence is a must.





        Reference to this
        Self-Realization of Oneness
        necessarily uses the
        dualistic vehicle of
        language, and speaks
        in the dualistic context of
        relative reality,








        Which is why the very referencing ......forget what the content of the referencing may be....

        ......is akin one of the characters in your last night sleep dream......

         referencing...... no doubt profoundly and even using the language of the heart for the referencing ..

        .... the shape of your nose.


         
        Hiding behind the excuse that language is dualistic is an age old fig leaf, dear Jeff.

        Language which is sequenced sounds or sequenced pixels on a PC screen is never dualistic.

        There is fact nothing in phenomenality that is dualistic.




        but those
        who speak of enlightened
        awakening authentically
        speak in the language
        of the heart.






        Those who speak ....."OF".... enlightened awakening speak in the language of accumulations and gatherings.

        Accumulated bromides and gathered phrases.

        Knowing without contrasts............... does not have the space........ to allow the existence of an "of".



        1


        The language of the heart
        is not comprehended by
        those who have not learned
        it,






        The language of the heart can never be learnt.

        When all learning gets casted aside.......the heart beating in resonance with the universal pulse is audible.

        Audible............ but not to an ear.

        And from that resonance springs forth creativity.





        and they hear the
        report as coming from
        ego and self-reference -
        in error.

        Meditation is the study
        hall for learning the
        language of the heart.








        As soon as thought creeps up as "Meditation is...X,Y,Z"....

        .....meditation is obscured.


        An emptying.

        And the emptying of the very emptying.


        DooooBeee Doooo .......Dooo Beeeee Doooooo





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