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  • Jeff Belyea
    At the risk of appearing a post hog, a couple of points in response to Sandeep and Dan - (No supporting cast of quotes) About contrast as the way to know: It s
    Message 1 of 8 , Jun 20, 2009
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      At the risk of appearing
      a post hog, a couple of
      points in response to
      Sandeep and Dan -

      (No supporting cast of
      quotes)

      About contrast as the
      way to know:

      It's the way we learn
      and process with the
      linear, rational faculties,
      but with enlightened
      awakening,a "Knowing"
      without contrast is
      revealed. The step
      into pure being is a
      step into the bliss
      of unconditional
      acceptance of every
      circumstance and event
      as 'perfect'. This is
      life lived by intuition,
      inspiration and revelation.


      About the localized
      experience as illusory:

      Enlightenment and the
      joy it brings is not
      localized. The self is
      not the experiencer of
      enlightened awakening,
      the self dissolves into
      the One of absolute
      perfection of Self-
      Realization.

      Reference to this
      Self-Realization of Oneness
      necessarily uses the
      dualistic vehicle of
      language, and speaks
      in the dualistic context of
      relative reality, but those
      who speak of enlightened
      awakening authentically
      speak in the language
      of the heart.

      The language of the heart
      is not comprehended by
      those who have not learned
      it, and they hear the
      report as coming from
      ego and self-reference -
      in error.

      Meditation is the study
      hall for learning the
      language of the heart.

      One Love,

      Jeff
    • schatzman
      keep it comin , dude. tks.
      Message 2 of 8 , Jun 20, 2009
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        keep it comin', dude.
        tks.

        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea" <jeff@...> wrote:
        >
        > At the risk of appearing
        > a post hog, a couple of
        > points in response to
        > Sandeep and Dan -
        >
        > (No supporting cast of
        > quotes)
        >
        > About contrast as the
        > way to know:
        >
        > It's the way we learn
        > and process with the
        > linear, rational faculties,
        > but with enlightened
        > awakening,a "Knowing"
        > without contrast is
        > revealed. The step
        > into pure being is a
        > step into the bliss
        > of unconditional
        > acceptance of every
        > circumstance and event
        > as 'perfect'. This is
        > life lived by intuition,
        > inspiration and revelation.
        >
        >
        > About the localized
        > experience as illusory:
        >
        > Enlightenment and the
        > joy it brings is not
        > localized. The self is
        > not the experiencer of
        > enlightened awakening,
        > the self dissolves into
        > the One of absolute
        > perfection of Self-
        > Realization.
        >
        > Reference to this
        > Self-Realization of Oneness
        > necessarily uses the
        > dualistic vehicle of
        > language, and speaks
        > in the dualistic context of
        > relative reality, but those
        > who speak of enlightened
        > awakening authentically
        > speak in the language
        > of the heart.
        >
        > The language of the heart
        > is not comprehended by
        > those who have not learned
        > it, and they hear the
        > report as coming from
        > ego and self-reference -
        > in error.
        >
        > Meditation is the study
        > hall for learning the
        > language of the heart.
        >
        > One Love,
        >
        > Jeff
        >
      • sean tremblay
        just a question? How does a fella know if he is enlightened and not in a self deluded? ... From: schatzman Subject: [Meditation Society of
        Message 3 of 8 , Jun 21, 2009
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          just a question?
          How does a fella know if he is enlightened and not in a self deluded?

          --- On Sat, 6/20/09, schatzman <pearboy@...> wrote:

          From: schatzman <pearboy@...>
          Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: The Lone Poster/Deep and Deeper
          To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 1:17 PM

          keep it comin', dude.
          tks.

          --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Jeff Belyea" <jeff@...> wrote:
          >
          > At the risk of appearing
          > a post hog, a couple of
          > points in response to
          > Sandeep and Dan -
          >
          > (No supporting cast of
          > quotes)
          >
          > About contrast as the
          > way to know:
          >
          > It's the way we learn
          > and process with the
          > linear, rational faculties,
          > but with enlightened
          > awakening,a "Knowing"
          > without contrast is
          > revealed. The step
          > into pure being is a
          > step into the bliss
          > of unconditional
          > acceptance of every
          > circumstance and event
          > as 'perfect'. This is
          > life lived by intuition,
          > inspiration and revelation.
          >
          >
          > About the localized
          > experience as illusory:
          >
          > Enlightenment and the
          > joy it brings is not
          > localized. The self is
          > not the experiencer of
          > enlightened awakening,
          > the self dissolves into
          > the One of absolute
          > perfection of Self-
          > Realization.
          >
          > Reference to this
          > Self-Realization of Oneness
          > necessarily uses the
          > dualistic vehicle of
          > language, and speaks
          > in the dualistic context of
          > relative reality, but those
          > who speak of enlightened
          > awakening authentically
          > speak in the language
          > of the heart.
          >
          > The language of the heart
          > is not comprehended by
          > those who have not learned
          > it, and they hear the
          > report as coming from
          > ego and self-reference -
          > in error.
          >
          > Meditation is the study
          > hall for learning the
          > language of the heart.
          >
          > One Love,
          >
          > Jeff
          >


        • sean tremblay
          that last post may have been incomplete every time I log in people need to chat!? ... From: schatzman Subject: [Meditation Society of
          Message 4 of 8 , Jun 21, 2009
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            that last post may have been incomplete every time I log in people need to chat!?

            --- On Sat, 6/20/09, schatzman <pearboy@...> wrote:

            From: schatzman <pearboy@...>
            Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: The Lone Poster/Deep and Deeper
            To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 1:17 PM

            keep it comin', dude.
            tks.

            --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Jeff Belyea" <jeff@...> wrote:
            >
            > At the risk of appearing
            > a post hog, a couple of
            > points in response to
            > Sandeep and Dan -
            >
            > (No supporting cast of
            > quotes)
            >
            > About contrast as the
            > way to know:
            >
            > It's the way we learn
            > and process with the
            > linear, rational faculties,
            > but with enlightened
            > awakening,a "Knowing"
            > without contrast is
            > revealed. The step
            > into pure being is a
            > step into the bliss
            > of unconditional
            > acceptance of every
            > circumstance and event
            > as 'perfect'. This is
            > life lived by intuition,
            > inspiration and revelation.
            >
            >
            > About the localized
            > experience as illusory:
            >
            > Enlightenment and the
            > joy it brings is not
            > localized. The self is
            > not the experiencer of
            > enlightened awakening,
            > the self dissolves into
            > the One of absolute
            > perfection of Self-
            > Realization.
            >
            > Reference to this
            > Self-Realization of Oneness
            > necessarily uses the
            > dualistic vehicle of
            > language, and speaks
            > in the dualistic context of
            > relative reality, but those
            > who speak of enlightened
            > awakening authentically
            > speak in the language
            > of the heart.
            >
            > The language of the heart
            > is not comprehended by
            > those who have not learned
            > it, and they hear the
            > report as coming from
            > ego and self-reference -
            > in error.
            >
            > Meditation is the study
            > hall for learning the
            > language of the heart.
            >
            > One Love,
            >
            > Jeff
            >


          • Jeff Belyea
            Why would a fella even care? If enlightened, the question would never come to mind. Enlightened are enlightened about their delusions. --Dogen If
            Message 5 of 8 , Jun 21, 2009
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              Why would a fella even care?

              If enlightened, the question
              would never come to mind.

              "Enlightened are enlightened
              about their delusions." --Dogen

              If self-deluded, the question
              would never come to mind.

              ----------------------------

              "Give me enough wine or
              leave me alone." --Rumi

              God-intoxicated,

              Jeff


              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay <bethjams9@...> wrote:
              >
              > just a question?
              > How does a fella know if he is enlightened and not in a self deluded?
              >
              > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, schatzman <pearboy@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              > From: schatzman <pearboy@...>
              > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: The Lone Poster/Deep and Deeper
              > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
              > Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 1:17 PM
              >
              >
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              > keep it comin', dude.
              > tks.
              >
              > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Jeff Belyea" <jeff@> wrote:
              > >
              > > At the risk of appearing
              > > a post hog, a couple of
              > > points in response to
              > > Sandeep and Dan -
              > >
              > > (No supporting cast of
              > > quotes)
              > >
              > > About contrast as the
              > > way to know:
              > >
              > > It's the way we learn
              > > and process with the
              > > linear, rational faculties,
              > > but with enlightened
              > > awakening,a "Knowing"
              > > without contrast is
              > > revealed. The step
              > > into pure being is a
              > > step into the bliss
              > > of unconditional
              > > acceptance of every
              > > circumstance and event
              > > as 'perfect'. This is
              > > life lived by intuition,
              > > inspiration and revelation.
              > >
              > >
              > > About the localized
              > > experience as illusory:
              > >
              > > Enlightenment and the
              > > joy it brings is not
              > > localized. The self is
              > > not the experiencer of
              > > enlightened awakening,
              > > the self dissolves into
              > > the One of absolute
              > > perfection of Self-
              > > Realization.
              > >
              > > Reference to this
              > > Self-Realization of Oneness
              > > necessarily uses the
              > > dualistic vehicle of
              > > language, and speaks
              > > in the dualistic context of
              > > relative reality, but those
              > > who speak of enlightened
              > > awakening authentically
              > > speak in the language
              > > of the heart.
              > >
              > > The language of the heart
              > > is not comprehended by
              > > those who have not learned
              > > it, and they hear the
              > > report as coming from
              > > ego and self-reference -
              > > in error.
              > >
              > > Meditation is the study
              > > hall for learning the
              > > language of the heart.
              > >
              > > One Love,
              > >
              > > Jeff
              > >
              >
            • dan330033
              Because there is no other involved to seek validation from. Nor is there any other that has ever been encountered. The words and ideas generated in response to
              Message 6 of 8 , Jun 21, 2009
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                Because there is no other involved to seek validation from.

                Nor is there any other that has ever been encountered.

                The words and ideas generated in response to contacting others, the images presented to and from others, the self that relates to others, have no relevance this timeless all-moment.

                - D -



                --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                >
                > just a question?
                > How does a fella know if he is enlightened and not in a self deluded?
                >
                > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, schatzman <pearboy@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > From: schatzman <pearboy@...>
                > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: The Lone Poster/Deep and Deeper
                > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                > Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 1:17 PM
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > keep it comin', dude.
                > tks.
                >
                > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Jeff Belyea" <jeff@> wrote:
                > >
                > > At the risk of appearing
                > > a post hog, a couple of
                > > points in response to
                > > Sandeep and Dan -
                > >
                > > (No supporting cast of
                > > quotes)
                > >
                > > About contrast as the
                > > way to know:
                > >
                > > It's the way we learn
                > > and process with the
                > > linear, rational faculties,
                > > but with enlightened
                > > awakening,a "Knowing"
                > > without contrast is
                > > revealed. The step
                > > into pure being is a
                > > step into the bliss
                > > of unconditional
                > > acceptance of every
                > > circumstance and event
                > > as 'perfect'. This is
                > > life lived by intuition,
                > > inspiration and revelation.
                > >
                > >
                > > About the localized
                > > experience as illusory:
                > >
                > > Enlightenment and the
                > > joy it brings is not
                > > localized. The self is
                > > not the experiencer of
                > > enlightened awakening,
                > > the self dissolves into
                > > the One of absolute
                > > perfection of Self-
                > > Realization.
                > >
                > > Reference to this
                > > Self-Realization of Oneness
                > > necessarily uses the
                > > dualistic vehicle of
                > > language, and speaks
                > > in the dualistic context of
                > > relative reality, but those
                > > who speak of enlightened
                > > awakening authentically
                > > speak in the language
                > > of the heart.
                > >
                > > The language of the heart
                > > is not comprehended by
                > > those who have not learned
                > > it, and they hear the
                > > report as coming from
                > > ego and self-reference -
                > > in error.
                > >
                > > Meditation is the study
                > > hall for learning the
                > > language of the heart.
                > >
                > > One Love,
                > >
                > > Jeff
                > >
                >
              • medit8ionsociety
                ... If you can start the day without caffeine or pep pills, If you can be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains, If you can resist complaining and boring people
                Message 7 of 8 , Jun 22, 2009
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                  sean tremblay <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > just a question?
                  > How does a fella know if he is enlightened and not in a self deluded?
                  >

                  If you can start the day without caffeine or pep pills,
                  If you can be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains,
                  If you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles,
                  If you can eat the same food everyday and be grateful for it,
                  If you can understand when loved ones are too busy to give you time,
                  If you can overlook when people take things out
                  on you when, through no fault of yours, something goes wrong,
                  If you can take criticism and blame without resentment,
                  If you can face the world without lies and deceit,
                  If you can conquer tension without medical help,
                  If you can relax without liquor,
                  If you can sleep without the aid of drugs,

                  If you can do all these things, ..........

                  Then you're Enlightened ...
                  or more likely, you are the family dog...
                • Sandeep
                  /*Hi Jeff, Greetings */ ... /*You have gathered the words Jeff but have no clue. The term revelation is another fancy word for an experience. Knowing in
                  Message 8 of 8 , Jun 22, 2009
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                    Hi Jeff,

                    Greetings

                    Jeff Belyea wrote:

                    At the risk of appearing
                    a post hog, a couple of
                    points in response to
                    Sandeep and Dan -

                    (No supporting cast of
                    quotes)

                    About contrast as the
                    way to know:

                    It's the way we learn
                    and process with the
                    linear, rational faculties,
                    but with enlightened
                    awakening,a "Knowing"
                    without contrast is
                    revealed.


















                    You have gathered the words Jeff but have no clue.

                    The term "revelation" is another fancy word for an experience.

                    Knowing in which no contrasts prevails......is not an experience.

                    Why not?

                    An experience is a durational event and exists only in contrast...... the time when the experience has not yet started
                    in contrast to the time when it has ended.

                    It makes no difference whether the duration of the experience is 60 secs or a 1000 years.

                    And  whether the
                    sense of qualification surrounding the experience  is that of "profoundity" or "profanity".
                     





                    The step
                    into pure being is a
                    step into the bliss
                    of unconditional
                    acceptance of every
                    circumstance and event
                    as 'perfect'.








                    Well, it would appear that you have yet to step, eh Jeff?

                    Whatever Dan was stating, whatever be the pointing of this prattling.....is hardly acceptable and ......far from  perfect.

                    For Jeff.

                    :-)


                    This is
                    life lived by intuition,
                    inspiration and revelation.




                    Baloney.

                    STOP.

                    Rather than rushing to a key board to punch out a defense Jeff.....observe the arising reaction at the grade given to your fine exposition.

                    And that will indicate how much of life is being lived in intuition, inspiration and revelation.




                    About the localized
                    experience as illusory:

                    Enlightenment and the
                    joy it brings is not
                    localized. The self is
                    not the experiencer of
                    enlightened awakening,









                    OK.

                    No self.

                    And yet you seem to have noted all sorts of descriptions for this non-experienced experience.




                    the self dissolves into
                    the One of absolute
                    perfection of Self-
                    Realization.





                    Dear Jeff......for a dissolving to occur......an apriori existence is a must.





                    Reference to this
                    Self-Realization of Oneness
                    necessarily uses the
                    dualistic vehicle of
                    language, and speaks
                    in the dualistic context of
                    relative reality,








                    Which is why the very referencing ......forget what the content of the referencing may be....

                    ......is akin one of the characters in your last night sleep dream......

                     referencing...... no doubt profoundly and even using the language of the heart for the referencing ..

                    .... the shape of your nose.


                     
                    Hiding behind the excuse that language is dualistic is an age old fig leaf, dear Jeff.

                    Language which is sequenced sounds or sequenced pixels on a PC screen is never dualistic.

                    There is fact nothing in phenomenality that is dualistic.




                    but those
                    who speak of enlightened
                    awakening authentically
                    speak in the language
                    of the heart.






                    Those who speak ....."OF".... enlightened awakening speak in the language of accumulations and gatherings.

                    Accumulated bromides and gathered phrases.

                    Knowing without contrasts............... does not have the space........ to allow the existence of an "of".



                    1


                    The language of the heart
                    is not comprehended by
                    those who have not learned
                    it,






                    The language of the heart can never be learnt.

                    When all learning gets casted aside.......the heart beating in resonance with the universal pulse is audible.

                    Audible............ but not to an ear.

                    And from that resonance springs forth creativity.





                    and they hear the
                    report as coming from
                    ego and self-reference -
                    in error.

                    Meditation is the study
                    hall for learning the
                    language of the heart.








                    As soon as thought creeps up as "Meditation is...X,Y,Z"....

                    .....meditation is obscured.


                    An emptying.

                    And the emptying of the very emptying.


                    DooooBeee Doooo .......Dooo Beeeee Doooooo





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