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Re: Bhagavad Gita 13

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  • aideenmck
    Belated thanks for these posts helping us to understand the Bhagavad Gita, about which I was almost totally ignorant. Recently, I ve been reading Ram Dass s
    Message 1 of 28 , Jun 11, 2008
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      Belated thanks for these posts helping us to understand the Bhagavad
      Gita, about which I was almost totally ignorant. Recently, I've been
      reading Ram Dass's "Paths to God: Living the Bhagavad Gita" - it,
      too, is a revelation. Also reading Rumi's poetry, the Coleman Barks
      translation. And meeting Theravadin monks, listening to their dharma
      talks. Sometimes I feel as if I'm perceiving everything for the
      first time. (Where have I been?)
      Aideen

      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, WestWindWood
      <westwindwood2003@...> wrote:
      >
      > 54. Arjuna asks a question about the
      > qualities (steady of disposition,
      > consistent in vision) of a sage, (who
      > has merged with the Creator, the
      > nature of that which underlies all
      > existence).
      >
      > The sage, merged into the Creator
      > beyond the normal conscious state,
      > we could say in deep meditation,
      > experiences the qualities of the
      > Creator. The sage has, over may
      > years of evolution, taken these
      > experiences and incorporated in him,
      > through proper action and behavior,
      > the qualities of the Creator so that
      > the sage became Self.
      >
      > This seems like A LOT OF HARD
      > WORK! But in reality, it is just a
      > giving up of all those qualities of
      > personality that are not of the divine
      > nature. It seems an agony at the
      > time, but is nothing looking back,
      > and why was that I clung to so
      > important anyway, but it was.
      >
      >
      > 55. Sri Bhagavan (Krishna) said:
      > All desires of the mind (of ones very
      > heart) are cast off, Oh Partha, by
      > becoming the Self by working with
      > the Self in steady wisdom.
      >
      > Contact with the Self in meditation
      > brings a steady wisdom, Oh what to
      > do about my present situation and
      > how am I going to work this out,
      > God's will be done, and so it goes
      > with an answer coming to me so that
      > I become more the Self by practicing
      > proper behavior and letting the Self
      > emerge in place of the misguided
      > personality that I have begun with.
      >
      >
      >
      > 56. The mind is unshaken in
      > adversity, and in pleasure, there is no
      > latching onto and wanting to retain.
      > Free from attachment, fear and anger
      > is the sage poised in wisdom.
      >
      > The wisdom found in meditation
      > allows the sage these characteristics.
      > This is just something that happens,
      > a symptom, not something that the
      > sage tries to grasp and become, it just
      > happens because one meditates.
      >
    • westwindwood2003
      I do not know Sanskrit and so I know that I am not going to always get a translation correct. If I do make a mistake, I do not feel that I am causing any harm
      Message 2 of 28 , Jun 14, 2008
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        I do not know Sanskrit and so I know
        that I am not going to always get a
        translation correct. If I do make a
        mistake, I do not feel that I am
        causing any harm because I just wind
        up commenting on a different aspect
        of meditation than what the Gita is
        referring to at that point. However,
        if I do get it wrong on a particular
        passage, I would like to hear about it
        if someone knows I am wrong
        because I might miss some facet of
        meditation that I might not touch on
        later that is important.

        57. Life's many experiences evoke
        thoughts and feelings. However,
        rejoicing in the good and hatred of
        the bad is not in the personality of
        the person who dwells, resides, in
        Wisdom.

        Being with that Wisdom, the one on
        the path feels the situation is not
        defined as good or bad, but God's
        will, and so petitions for the
        Knowledge of right behavior to deal
        wisely in the circumstance.

        58. A tortoise withdraws head and
        limbs when disturbed, and a Yogi,
        when confronted with an attractive
        sight or painful scene reflexively
        pulls in to contemplate the situation
        knowing a moment's reflection
        brings Wisdom.

        59. Seeing an object of desire, a
        person remains abstinent upon
        leaving the longing behind. Even a
        hint of the desirable reaction drops
        away from the person who perceives
        the Supreme.
      • westwindwood2003
        60. The wise person strives for perfection; turbulent situations though, the chaos of the day, violently carries away the mind. OK, so don t hesitate to
        Message 3 of 28 , Jun 18, 2008
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          60. The wise person strives for
          perfection; turbulent situations
          though, the chaos of the day,
          violently carries away the mind.

          OK, so don't hesitate to meditate!

          61. The yogi controls the chaos of
          the day, these thoughts restrained
          and joined together. Focus on God
          and the yogi's thoughts are settled.

          The turbulent thoughts of the yogi
          are allowed to surface in meditation,
          and the calming effect of the
          meditation experience affects a
          change in the mind (this just happens
          without any attempt at control). With
          the calming, the focus can them be
          brought to God, who then brings
          wisdom allowing the thoughts to be
          settled.

          62. Objects of the senses, (what
          causes the turbulent thoughts of a
          person) cause strong attachment
          because a person has the propensity
          for that particular object of the
          senses. From this attachment comes
          desire and from desire a kind of
          anger, of that is mine,
          possessiveness.

          Attachment caused by their own
          personality, or perhaps we could say
          from their previous karma gives
          material to work on in meditation.

          63. From anger comes delusion and
          from this delusion comes a forgetting
          of facts (memory of what really
          happened or how things are), and
          this loss of reason with impetuous
          behavior, results in death.

          Why am I thinking of a motorcycle
          going 110 mph on a windy country
          road? Actually, this could be most
          anything and usually results in a visit
          from a police officer, or at best
          recognition of out of control feelings
          that need to be worked on in
          meditation.
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