Re: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Bhagavad Gita 12
Thanks for continued posting on the wisdom of Geeta.
I read it everyday and find a wonderful insight into the true learning.
It is a science in itself but only for the beleiver.
Om and God bless all of us
--- On Sat, 6/7/08, westwindwood2003 <westwindwood2003@...> wrote:
From: westwindwood2003 <westwindwood2003@...>
Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Bhagavad Gita 12
Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008, 11:53 PM
I cannot take very much credit. The book I am using gives a word for
word translation from the Sanskrit. The word order takes a little
getting used to and sometimes the English words that are chosen by the
author have several definitions and the author sometime uses the more
obscure definition, so I find I have to use a dictionary some to get
the real meaning. What I then do is try and relate that word for word
English translation to my own meditation experience so that I can
express that translation in a way that is more understandable I hope.
What I find wonderful about the Gita is here are these words that in
a condensed kind of way outlines the spiritual experience, like
lecture notes that a teacher can expand on. Since I meditate myself,
I feel that I can do the subject some justice, but I sometimes wonder
if there might be better words than the ones I use.
--- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, medit8ionsociety .
> Yo Westwindwood,
> This and the previous Gita posting are,
> as usual, very great pointings. I like
> the term Guidance (with the capital G) as
> we often see "Grace" used similarly, but
> with the term Guidance we also get the
> concept that a definitive understanding
> takes place that transcends the mind's usual
> "it could be like this, or it could be
> like that" tendency. This allows the "Thy
> will be done" reality to take us over (and
> inner) and we then automatically let events
> of our life proceed as they may without
> any inner chattering that commonly brings
> us negativity (takes our peace away). And
> of course, we all are "Yogi's" in spite of
> whatever masks cover this true identity.
> So these wise teaching apply to all of us.
> Thanks again for sharing.
> Peace and blessings,
- 54. Arjuna asks a question about the
qualities (steady of disposition,
consistent in vision) of a sage, (who
has merged with the Creator, the
nature of that which underlies all
The sage, merged into the Creator
beyond the normal conscious state,
we could say in deep meditation,
experiences the qualities of the
Creator. The sage has, over may
years of evolution, taken these
experiences and incorporated in him,
through proper action and behavior,
the qualities of the Creator so that
the sage became Self.
This seems like A LOT OF HARD
WORK! But in reality, it is just a
giving up of all those qualities of
personality that are not of the divine
nature. It seems an agony at the
time, but is nothing looking back,
and why was that I clung to so
important anyway, but it was.
55. Sri Bhagavan (Krishna) said:
All desires of the mind (of ones very
heart) are cast off, Oh Partha, by
becoming the Self by working with
the Self in steady wisdom.
Contact with the Self in meditation
brings a steady wisdom, Oh what to
do about my present situation and
how am I going to work this out,
God's will be done, and so it goes
with an answer coming to me so that
I become more the Self by practicing
proper behavior and letting the Self
emerge in place of the misguided
personality that I have begun with.
56. The mind is unshaken in
adversity, and in pleasure, there is no
latching onto and wanting to retain.
Free from attachment, fear and anger
is the sage poised in wisdom.
The wisdom found in meditation
allows the sage these characteristics.
This is just something that happens,
a symptom, not something that the
sage tries to grasp and become, it just
happens because one meditates.
- Belated thanks for these posts helping us to understand the Bhagavad
Gita, about which I was almost totally ignorant. Recently, I've been
reading Ram Dass's "Paths to God: Living the Bhagavad Gita" - it,
too, is a revelation. Also reading Rumi's poetry, the Coleman Barks
translation. And meeting Theravadin monks, listening to their dharma
talks. Sometimes I feel as if I'm perceiving everything for the
first time. (Where have I been?)
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, WestWindWood
> 54. Arjuna asks a question about the
> qualities (steady of disposition,
> consistent in vision) of a sage, (who
> has merged with the Creator, the
> nature of that which underlies all
> The sage, merged into the Creator
> beyond the normal conscious state,
> we could say in deep meditation,
> experiences the qualities of the
> Creator. The sage has, over may
> years of evolution, taken these
> experiences and incorporated in him,
> through proper action and behavior,
> the qualities of the Creator so that
> the sage became Self.
> This seems like A LOT OF HARD
> WORK! But in reality, it is just a
> giving up of all those qualities of
> personality that are not of the divine
> nature. It seems an agony at the
> time, but is nothing looking back,
> and why was that I clung to so
> important anyway, but it was.
> 55. Sri Bhagavan (Krishna) said:
> All desires of the mind (of ones very
> heart) are cast off, Oh Partha, by
> becoming the Self by working with
> the Self in steady wisdom.
> Contact with the Self in meditation
> brings a steady wisdom, Oh what to
> do about my present situation and
> how am I going to work this out,
> God's will be done, and so it goes
> with an answer coming to me so that
> I become more the Self by practicing
> proper behavior and letting the Self
> emerge in place of the misguided
> personality that I have begun with.
> 56. The mind is unshaken in
> adversity, and in pleasure, there is no
> latching onto and wanting to retain.
> Free from attachment, fear and anger
> is the sage poised in wisdom.
> The wisdom found in meditation
> allows the sage these characteristics.
> This is just something that happens,
> a symptom, not something that the
> sage tries to grasp and become, it just
> happens because one meditates.
- I do not know Sanskrit and so I know
that I am not going to always get a
translation correct. If I do make a
mistake, I do not feel that I am
causing any harm because I just wind
up commenting on a different aspect
of meditation than what the Gita is
referring to at that point. However,
if I do get it wrong on a particular
passage, I would like to hear about it
if someone knows I am wrong
because I might miss some facet of
meditation that I might not touch on
later that is important.
57. Life's many experiences evoke
thoughts and feelings. However,
rejoicing in the good and hatred of
the bad is not in the personality of
the person who dwells, resides, in
Being with that Wisdom, the one on
the path feels the situation is not
defined as good or bad, but God's
will, and so petitions for the
Knowledge of right behavior to deal
wisely in the circumstance.
58. A tortoise withdraws head and
limbs when disturbed, and a Yogi,
when confronted with an attractive
sight or painful scene reflexively
pulls in to contemplate the situation
knowing a moment's reflection
59. Seeing an object of desire, a
person remains abstinent upon
leaving the longing behind. Even a
hint of the desirable reaction drops
away from the person who perceives
- 60. The wise person strives for
perfection; turbulent situations
though, the chaos of the day,
violently carries away the mind.
OK, so don't hesitate to meditate!
61. The yogi controls the chaos of
the day, these thoughts restrained
and joined together. Focus on God
and the yogi's thoughts are settled.
The turbulent thoughts of the yogi
are allowed to surface in meditation,
and the calming effect of the
meditation experience affects a
change in the mind (this just happens
without any attempt at control). With
the calming, the focus can them be
brought to God, who then brings
wisdom allowing the thoughts to be
62. Objects of the senses, (what
causes the turbulent thoughts of a
person) cause strong attachment
because a person has the propensity
for that particular object of the
senses. From this attachment comes
desire and from desire a kind of
anger, of that is mine,
Attachment caused by their own
personality, or perhaps we could say
from their previous karma gives
material to work on in meditation.
63. From anger comes delusion and
from this delusion comes a forgetting
of facts (memory of what really
happened or how things are), and
this loss of reason with impetuous
behavior, results in death.
Why am I thinking of a motorcycle
going 110 mph on a windy country
road? Actually, this could be most
anything and usually results in a visit
from a police officer, or at best
recognition of out of control feelings
that need to be worked on in