- Good to be back again! As a very good friend said, A genuine guide is Your True Self. i agree with that, but there is one more question here: What is YourMessage 1 of 2 , Jan 1, 2003View SourceGood to be back again!
As a very good friend said, A genuine guide is Your True Self. i agree with that, but there is one more question here: What is "Your True Self?" -very hard to answer...
i think that the thing is not that we are not strong enough, but we are not weak enough. If i already knew everything that is to be known, i wouldn't
need guidance, and i would have no questions. Someone who has walked the path before you can help. This is the role of a true spiritual teacher.
This is what a friend told me:
"External teacher is not always necessary, but when it comes, and
if it is genuine, it is nothing but Your Essence showing Herself to You
in another form." --So, i believe that it must be hard to recognise your teacher.. How do you realise that THIS is the teacher you've been waiting for?
i know that a true teacher does not give paths, techniques or methods on how to live or how to find Truth. That the teacher and the disciple must have a very close relationship, they almost have to be as one.
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From: Jeff Belyea <jeff@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:12 PM
Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: THE SAGE'S VIEW OF THE WORLD
Thanks, Bob. Beautiful satsang from Sivananda.
The sense of two worlds and especially the
two languages resonate clearly.
So often, religious admonition to live by
a certain code or set of rituals, and even
the claim to exclusivity, is based on
the new language wrongly interpreted as
relative to the physical world and then
"taught" by those who do not know of what
they speak. These are the false prophets
so often warned about by Jesus (and Judi).
Awakened teachers speaking of the results
of their new perceptions of a separate reality
in which a perfect joy, perfect love and perfect
harmony can be known intuitively, are speaking
from experiential knowledge and understanding.
The difficulty, the impossibility, of
distinguishing who is speaking from
experiential knowledge and who is speaking
from ego and rationally acquired, intellectual
postulating, seems the source of much of
the negative reaction to present day teachers
and accusations of fraud and hidden agenda
leveled at them.
As you say, famous dead guys and those
who are "to come in future" fare much
better than those who are in the
present moment - much the way the ego
resists resting in the present moment.
Some of us who have received what I consider
to be pure gift, feel that they were allowed
to see this truth under the agreement that
they would communicate it to others
(Boddisattva vow) - even though they find
that it cannot be put in words and must be
personally experienced to be known. Others
who come to understand this "new language" feel
that any attempt to guide is misguidance.
I received guidance. And am grateful for it.
So, my leaning is to offer to guide and
witness to the possibility of new understanding
available to us, that which we are intuitively
drawn to seek out.
Ultimately, the guidance is to "go within" and
discover what is already there - the kingdom
within. Meditation is the method prescribed
by virtually all awakened teachers.
For me, it was a re-awakening in the midst
of formal meditation, and so the paradigm
in which I "teach" is that our natural state
is one of enlightenment and it is a re-awakening
that "returns us" to our natural enlightenment
and pure joy in living that we knew as a child.
"By their fruits you shall know them".
Your fruit bowl is full and your
manner always gracious, Bob.
I love the work you do and I admire
the equanimity and openness you
maintain. Happy New Year.
Peace and love and gratitude,
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- Mirela wrote: How do you realise that THIS is the teacher you ve been waiting for? ... methods on how to live or how to find Truth. That the teacher and theMessage 2 of 2 , Jan 1, 2003View SourceMirela wrote:
How do you realise that THIS is the teacher you've been waiting for?
>methods on how to live or how to find Truth. That the teacher and the
> i know that a true teacher does not give paths, techniques or
disciple must have a very close relationship, they almost have to be
>Hi - Bob here - Actually, I think that a "true teacher" does "give
paths, techniques or methods on how to live or how to find Truth."
Ramana directed us to ask "Who Am I", Ganga shares breath and
awareness techniques. Papajeff also. Even Judi ridiculing "seeking" is
pointing to how to find Truth. Swami Sivananda only met his Guru
physically for a few minutes, but stated many times that he kept him
closer than his heart. Through Grace alone, the veil of illusion is
ripped asunder, and the infinite, eternal divine reality presents
itself. The classic spiritual understanding is that when you need a
teacher, the universe will present one to you. Until then, perhaps the
best we can do is to follow the suggestion that Swami Sivananda
gives..."Be good, do good".
Peace and blessings,