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RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Sudden enlightenment

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  • sean tremblay
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    Message 1 of 10 , Mar 24, 2008
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      I've never been to Butte Montana but I'm pretty sure
      it exists
      --- yeshwanthi vasudevan <badgirl_nofear@...>
      wrote:

      > Sandeep, how can you be so confident? How can you be
      > so confident that it is all just a dream? I wish I
      > had your self-confidence, to make that statement
      > without any shred of a doubt. If this is all just a
      > dream, what will it take to wake me up? The traffic
      > noise and the horning sounds of a million trucks at
      > the same time?
      >
      > On a serious note: What will it take to wake me
      > up?
      > sandeep chatterjee <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
      > The need to ascribe attributes is the
      > attempt of the mind/self to get a fix on this thingy
      > which the mind/self itself has created i.e.
      > Enlightenment.
      >
      > In the pursuit of the fixing is the very existence
      > and perpetuation of the mind/self.
      >
      > All definings(and all ascribed attributes are
      > definings) are confabulations of the known about the
      > known.
      >
      > A cul-de-sac.
      >
      > For the known can never meet the unknown.
      >
      > Never can taste the unknowable.
      >
      > Whatever be the experience, no matter how profound,
      > it's just projections of the known.
      >
      > Faced with the proposition that something is neither
      > spontaneous nor a gradual causal process in time,
      > the mind/self flounders with either a defensive
      > reaction(after all the known has to seek to protect
      > itself) or it poses the question......THEN WHAT.
      >
      > In the absence of further fuel for the known.......
      > is it's .......poof.
      >
      > Which is neither spontaneous nor gradual.
      > :-)
      >
      > Aideen McKenna wrote:
      > > ‘Way back when this long
      > > conversation with Bob Rose got underway in 2001,
      > someone (probably Bob) said
      > > something to the effect that we all start out in
      > life as enlightened, but then
      > > we clutter ourselves up so completely that it
      > takes considerable doing to clear
      > > away all the crud to let the light shine through
      > again – I recall an
      > > analogy of cleaning a screen so as to allow the
      > sun to shine through the
      > > window. So as Sandeep says, enlightennment’s
      > not an event.
      > > Aideen
      > > Â
      > > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
      > [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro
      > ups.com ] On Behalf Of sandeep chatterjee
      > > Sent: March 22, 2008 11:14 PM
      > > To: jeff@mindgoal. com
      > > Cc: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
      > > Subject: RE: [Meditation Society
      > > of America] Re: Sudden enlightenment
      > > Â
      > > An experience can be spontaneous or a gradual
      > > enfolding within time.
      > > ''Enlighten ment' is not an
      > experience, not a
      > > causal event within time.
      > > Thus being un-reference- able, neither the term
      > spontaneous nor gradual can
      > > be attributed.
      > > Jeff Belyea wrote:
      > >> --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro
      > ups.com , sean tremblay
      > >> <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
      > >>>
      > >>> Anybody have any thoughts on Spontaneous
      > enlightenment?
      > >>>
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