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  • judirhodes <judirhodes@zianet.com>
    ... you peddlers ... Your product ... ******** And if you guys can t see that, heaven help us all! I d rather hang with a goddamn used car salesman than to
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      > ******* The bottom line here Jeff and for the rest of
      you "peddlers"
      > trying to push some "product" of which there is none!
      Your "product"
      > is nothing but your own infatuation, your own ego.
      >
      > Judi

      ******** And if you guys can't see that, heaven help us all!
      I'd rather hang with a goddamn used car salesman than to look at the
      likes of you "teachers" and "gurus".

      Judi
    • Jeff Belyea <jeff@mindgoal.com>
      Sweet friend, Judi - Can you possibly keep your slasher tongue in its holster long enough to read more than one sentence? Your self-contradiction is showing
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        Sweet friend, Judi -

        Can you possibly keep your
        slasher tongue in its holster
        long enough to read more
        than one sentence? Your
        self-contradiction is
        showing all over the place.
        You say it's not joy, but you call
        it pure joy. It's not experience
        but you call it a new
        perceptual condition.
        New is necessarily experiential,
        perception is experiential -
        understanding is experiential.
        Semantic hair-splitting
        just to be an antagonist
        is your tiresome game.

        And speaking of place, this
        really isn't the place for this,
        but I'm tired of stepping
        in your smelly bullshit
        everywhere I go...and I want
        a shoot out, Rocky.

        Go ahead and run back to the ranch.
        I'll be on your trail. I don't
        like your style, but I grew
        up with people who walked it
        and talked it, and I'm willing
        and able to stand my ground
        against your bluster, buster.

        I guess you don't have enough
        to rant about at the ranch.
        You got an extra bunk?.
        You didn't run me off, you
        invited me back "anytime".
        Still a standing invitation?
        You'll have your boys there.

        I left because your juvenile boys
        grew ridiculously boring.
        They didn't scare me off, my
        side was hurting from laughing
        at their naivety, pompous parroting,
        and pitiful pandering to you.
        You talk about others wanting fawning
        disciples. What do you have at
        the ranch? They got nothing.
        Less than Snarlo's Guru Raters,
        even.

        And get real, you jumped around
        like a tenderfoot with someone
        shooting at her feet when my
        inquiries got too hot.

        You, I challenge to duel...
        Hot-Air filled Cream puffs
        at 50 paces. That's about
        all you got other than
        a bundt pan.

        Still reading?...

        On July 21, 1975 at about
        9:30am my life changed, a
        door opened. It was not a flash,
        not a la la la moment, it was a
        permanent shift of identity,
        a new awareness of a reality
        that I had been separated
        from - a separate reality -
        until known, a new overriding
        current running through my every
        conscious moment from that
        moment on. And it was and is
        blissful, peaceful beyond
        understanding, and full of joy.
        Still is.Doesn't mean I don't have
        a bold and bad-ass ego, or
        that I run from a scrap.

        Not all sages are milquetoasts,
        the best of them have been
        known to fashion a whip and
        crack a few heads.

        Whatever I choose to call
        my awakening experience
        cannot be negated by your
        constant carping. Its wasted.
        The person who entered
        the meditation center,
        after 24 years of seeking,
        never left. He ceased to exit.
        (Sound familiar?)

        So you don't subscribe to
        the Boddisattva vow? I do.
        I took it. I honor it.

        Your shots at my ego
        are in vain. I grin
        and bear it, because I don't
        miss the wry smile behind
        all your seeming ferocity.

        But for the sake of
        those who are here
        for inquiry...

        Can't you ever just shut
        the fuck up, and let someone
        speak without whacking them on
        the head with your tight-ass,
        self-righteous, know-it-all
        table of the Judi commandments?

        Your need to straighten
        out all the error you
        see in everyone else
        might have something to
        do with the ego you
        consistently see
        all around you.

        Rude enough to win
        you over?

        Your blissed out bawdy friend,

        Jeff

        PS: My apologies to the gentle folks here
        for this evening's R-Rated entertainment.
        Somewhere there's a lesson here.I'm going
        to go see what's cookin' at the ranch.
      • judirhodes <judirhodes@zianet.com>
        Aha! Struck a nerve did I? Well there you have it. Sure, come on over the ranch, I m not the only one who can see through your pink experiential panties .
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          Aha! Struck a nerve did I? Well there you have it.
          Sure, come on over the ranch, I'm not the only one who can see
          through your "pink experiential panties". :-)

          Judi



          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea
          <jeff@m...>" <jeff@m...> wrote:
          > Sweet friend, Judi -
          >
          > Can you possibly keep your
          > slasher tongue in its holster
          > long enough to read more
          > than one sentence? Your
          > self-contradiction is
          > showing all over the place.
          > You say it's not joy, but you call
          > it pure joy. It's not experience
          > but you call it a new
          > perceptual condition.
          > New is necessarily experiential,
          > perception is experiential -
          > understanding is experiential.
          > Semantic hair-splitting
          > just to be an antagonist
          > is your tiresome game.
          >
          > And speaking of place, this
          > really isn't the place for this,
          > but I'm tired of stepping
          > in your smelly bullshit
          > everywhere I go...and I want
          > a shoot out, Rocky.
          >
          > Go ahead and run back to the ranch.
          > I'll be on your trail. I don't
          > like your style, but I grew
          > up with people who walked it
          > and talked it, and I'm willing
          > and able to stand my ground
          > against your bluster, buster.
          >
          > I guess you don't have enough
          > to rant about at the ranch.
          > You got an extra bunk?.
          > You didn't run me off, you
          > invited me back "anytime".
          > Still a standing invitation?
          > You'll have your boys there.
          >
          > I left because your juvenile boys
          > grew ridiculously boring.
          > They didn't scare me off, my
          > side was hurting from laughing
          > at their naivety, pompous parroting,
          > and pitiful pandering to you.
          > You talk about others wanting fawning
          > disciples. What do you have at
          > the ranch? They got nothing.
          > Less than Snarlo's Guru Raters,
          > even.
          >
          > And get real, you jumped around
          > like a tenderfoot with someone
          > shooting at her feet when my
          > inquiries got too hot.
          >
          > You, I challenge to duel...
          > Hot-Air filled Cream puffs
          > at 50 paces. That's about
          > all you got other than
          > a bundt pan.
          >
          > Still reading?...
          >
          > On July 21, 1975 at about
          > 9:30am my life changed, a
          > door opened. It was not a flash,
          > not a la la la moment, it was a
          > permanent shift of identity,
          > a new awareness of a reality
          > that I had been separated
          > from - a separate reality -
          > until known, a new overriding
          > current running through my every
          > conscious moment from that
          > moment on. And it was and is
          > blissful, peaceful beyond
          > understanding, and full of joy.
          > Still is.Doesn't mean I don't have
          > a bold and bad-ass ego, or
          > that I run from a scrap.
          >
          > Not all sages are milquetoasts,
          > the best of them have been
          > known to fashion a whip and
          > crack a few heads.
          >
          > Whatever I choose to call
          > my awakening experience
          > cannot be negated by your
          > constant carping. Its wasted.
          > The person who entered
          > the meditation center,
          > after 24 years of seeking,
          > never left. He ceased to exit.
          > (Sound familiar?)
          >
          > So you don't subscribe to
          > the Boddisattva vow? I do.
          > I took it. I honor it.
          >
          > Your shots at my ego
          > are in vain. I grin
          > and bear it, because I don't
          > miss the wry smile behind
          > all your seeming ferocity.
          >
          > But for the sake of
          > those who are here
          > for inquiry...
          >
          > Can't you ever just shut
          > the fuck up, and let someone
          > speak without whacking them on
          > the head with your tight-ass,
          > self-righteous, know-it-all
          > table of the Judi commandments?
          >
          > Your need to straighten
          > out all the error you
          > see in everyone else
          > might have something to
          > do with the ego you
          > consistently see
          > all around you.
          >
          > Rude enough to win
          > you over?
          >
          > Your blissed out bawdy friend,
          >
          > Jeff
          >
          > PS: My apologies to the gentle folks here
          > for this evening's R-Rated entertainment.
          > Somewhere there's a lesson here.I'm going
          > to go see what's cookin' at the ranch.
        • tosime
          I keep seeing the word Ranch . What is it? Is it another group? Where is it? What happens there? Are we all invited? ...Tony
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            I keep seeing the word "Ranch". What is it?

            Is it another group?
            Where is it?
            What happens there?

            Are we all invited?


            ...Tony
          • tosime
            I find the banter very entertaining. It reminds me of the French Cafe dance sequence where a man and woman perform a modern ballet that simulates ugly fight
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              I find the banter very entertaining.

              It reminds me of the 'French Cafe' dance sequence where a man and woman
              perform a modern ballet that simulates ugly fight movements - but they end
              up kissing each other since they really are in love.

              ...Tony
            • judirhodes <judirhodes@zianet.com>
              ... ***** Big difference. It s indistinguishable . It s not experience ... ****** Nope, for experience to be, there would have to be an experiencer , of
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                --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea
                <jeff@m...>" <jeff@m...> wrote:
                > Sweet friend, Judi -
                >
                > Can you possibly keep your
                > slasher tongue in its holster
                > long enough to read more
                > than one sentence? Your
                > self-contradiction is
                > showing all over the place.
                > You say it's not joy, but you call
                > it pure joy.

                ***** Big difference. It's "indistinguishable".

                It's not experience
                > but you call it a new
                > perceptual condition.

                ******** Yep.

                > New is necessarily experiential,
                > perception is experiential -

                ****** Nope, for "experience" to be, there would have to be
                an "experiencer", of which there is none. :-)


                > understanding is experiential.

                ****** Wrong again! Understanding is non-experiential.
                Ever heard the term "non-duality"? Well there you have it.

                > Semantic hair-splitting
                > just to be an antagonist
                > is your tiresome game.
                >
                ******** It's not hair-splitting Jeff, it's just the way it is.
                You're splitting yourself off as the "haver" of experience.
                Into good and bad experience, which is true for you, but not for me,
                I see all experience for what it is. Therein lies the difference.


                > And speaking of place, this
                > really isn't the place for this,
                > but I'm tired of stepping
                > in your smelly bullshit
                > everywhere I go...and I want
                > a shoot out, Rocky.
                >
                > Go ahead and run back to the ranch.
                > I'll be on your trail. I don't
                > like your style, but I grew
                > up with people who walked it
                > and talked it, and I'm willing
                > and able to stand my ground
                > against your bluster, buster.
                >
                ****** Take another look, you have no "ground" to stand on.
                Or more to the point, your "ground" is your own ego.


                > I guess you don't have enough
                > to rant about at the ranch.
                > You got an extra bunk?.
                > You didn't run me off, you
                > invited me back "anytime".
                > Still a standing invitation?
                > You'll have your boys there.
                >
                > I left because your juvenile boys
                > grew ridiculously boring.

                ******** Yes, we're "boring" as hell. :-)


                > They didn't scare me off, my
                > side was hurting from laughing
                > at their naivety, pompous parroting,
                > and pitiful pandering to you.
                > You talk about others wanting fawning
                > disciples.

                ***** There's no such "fawning" going on.

                What do you have at
                > the ranch? They got nothing.

                ****** Well, you're right there. Got plenty of nothing. :-)

                > Less than Snarlo's Guru Raters,
                > even.
                >
                > And get real, you jumped around
                > like a tenderfoot with someone
                > shooting at her feet when my
                > inquiries got too hot.
                >
                ***** Not true, you just didn't like the answers you got.

                > You, I challenge to duel...
                > Hot-Air filled Cream puffs
                > at 50 paces. That's about
                > all you got other than
                > a bundt pan.
                >
                > Still reading?...
                >
                > On July 21, 1975 at about
                > 9:30am my life changed, a
                > door opened. It was not a flash,
                > not a la la la moment, it was a
                > permanent shift of identity,
                > a new awareness of a reality
                > that I had been separated
                > from - a separate reality -
                > until known, a new overriding
                > current running through my every
                > conscious moment from that
                > moment on. And it was and is
                > blissful, peaceful beyond
                > understanding, and full of joy.
                > Still is.Doesn't mean I don't have
                > a bold and bad-ass ego, or
                > that I run from a scrap.
                >
                > Not all sages are milquetoasts,
                > the best of them have been
                > known to fashion a whip and
                > crack a few heads.
                >
                > Whatever I choose to call
                > my awakening experience
                > cannot be negated by your
                > constant carping. Its wasted.
                > The person who entered
                > the meditation center,
                > after 24 years of seeking,
                > never left. He ceased to exit.
                > (Sound familiar?)
                >
                > So you don't subscribe to
                > the Boddisattva vow? I do.
                > I took it. I honor it.
                >
                ******* I chuckle. :-) LOL You are too funny Jeff!
                What the hell you honoring? LOL Don't be ridiculous.
                Give it a rest. :-)

                Judi
              • Jeff Belyea <jeff@mindgoal.com>
                Giddy up.
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                  Giddy up.
                • Jeff Belyea <jeff@mindgoal.com>
                  ... Well, thanks a lot, Tony. You gave the whole plot away. I want a refund. Love, Jeff
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                    --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "tosime" <
                    tosime@b...> wrote:
                    >
                    > I find the banter very entertaining.
                    >
                    > It reminds me of the 'French Cafe' dance sequence where a man and woman
                    > perform a modern ballet that simulates ugly fight movements - but they end
                    > up kissing each other since they really are in love.
                    >
                    > ...Tony

                    Well, thanks a lot, Tony. You gave
                    the whole plot away. I want a refund.

                    Love,

                    Jeff
                  • tosime
                    oooops.... sorry-o - as we say in pigeon english over here. ...Tony PS - What is the Ranch ? ... From: Jeff Belyea
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                      oooops...."sorry-o" - as we say in pigeon english over here.

                      ...Tony


                      PS - What is the "Ranch"?

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> [mailto:jeff@...]
                      Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:48 AM
                      To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: THE SAGE'S VIEW - all


                      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "tosime" <
                      tosime@b...> wrote:
                      >
                      > I find the banter very entertaining.
                      >
                      > It reminds me of the 'French Cafe' dance sequence where a man and woman
                      > perform a modern ballet that simulates ugly fight movements - but they end
                      > up kissing each other since they really are in love.
                      >
                      > ...Tony

                      Well, thanks a lot, Tony. You gave
                      the whole plot away. I want a refund.

                      Love,

                      Jeff



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                    • Jeff Belyea <jeff@mindgoal.com>
                      Hi, again, Tony - The Ranch is another group site run by Judi.She approves all members before they can join and moderates all messages before they are posted.
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                        Hi, again, Tony -

                        The Ranch is another group site
                        run by Judi.She approves all members
                        before they can join and moderates all
                        messages before they are posted.

                        A word to the wise. She's on her
                        best behavior here. She's ruthless
                        at "The Ranch" - full name, The
                        End of The Rope, Ranch.

                        Best,

                        Jeff
                      • Jeff Belyea <jeff@mindgoal.com>
                        Hi, again, Tony - The Ranch is another group site run by Judi.She approves all members before they can join and moderates all messages before they are posted.
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                          Hi, again, Tony -

                          The Ranch is another group site
                          run by Judi.She approves all members
                          before they can join and moderates all
                          messages before they are posted.

                          A word to the wise. She's on her
                          best behavior here. She's ruthless
                          at "The Ranch" - full name, The
                          End of The Rope, Ranch.

                          Best,

                          Jeff
                        • judirhodes <judirhodes@zianet.com>
                          ... ******* Well that s why I don t people with anger problems on. If someone has an anger problem, they got to work that out first. There s a certain level of
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                            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea
                            <jeff@m...>" <jeff@m...> wrote:
                            > Hi, again, Tony -
                            >
                            > The Ranch is another group site
                            > run by Judi.She approves all members
                            > before they can join and moderates all
                            > messages before they are posted.
                            >
                            ****** No, that's not true. No posts are moderated.


                            > A word to the wise. She's on her
                            > best behavior here. She's ruthless
                            > at "The Ranch" - full name, The
                            > End of The Rope, Ranch.
                            >
                            ******* Well that's why I don't people with anger problems on.
                            If someone has an anger problem, they got to work that out first.
                            There's a certain level of emotional maturity that's required. And
                            I'm not mean by any means, but rarely do I ever pull any punches
                            either, but it's all done in love, good fun and humor. And everyone
                            seems to have a good time.

                            Judi



                            > Best,
                            >
                            > Jeff
                          • markwotter704 <markwotter704@yahoo.com>
                            Hi Tony, the ranch is a place where folks go to be slaughtered. Sounds like fun, huh? Mark
                            Message 13 of 20 , Jan 7, 2003
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                              Hi Tony,

                              the ranch is a place where folks go to be slaughtered. Sounds like
                              fun, huh?

                              Mark

                              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "tosime"
                              <tosime@b...> wrote:
                              > I keep seeing the word "Ranch". What is it?
                              >
                              > Is it another group?
                              > Where is it?
                              > What happens there?
                              >
                              > Are we all invited?
                              >
                              >
                              > ...Tony
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