RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Soham
- A friend of mine used to forget his own name, when asked suddenly by a stranger !
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:45:21 -0800
Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Sohamsometime it's like forgeting your own phone numberI think?
Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:Does it?
From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
Sent: February 5, 2008 12:41 PM
To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Sohamand sometimes goes!
Jeff Belyea <jeff@mindgoal. com> wrote:The experience leading
to the presence of God
can be put in words, but
the direct experience
is beyond words.
There comes an intutive
stirring, a longing, a
sense of something missing,
and for those who feel
this urgently, the journey
Most typically, a guide
is needed - one who has
the experiential knowledge.
Often, the teaching is
to begin meditation.. .
from there, the experiences
vary, but share some commonality.
What is encountered is
a sense of impending doom,
of what feels like death.
This is the ego's attempt
to remain in charge. And
this is the point where
many turn back.
For those who risk death,
and totality surrender to
A light comes.
--- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
<jogeshwarmahanta@ ...> wrote:
> Words can be plenty around soham. But what is the experience so far?
> --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
> <jeff@> wrote:
> > --- In
> meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
> > <jogeshwarmahanta@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > That is something of distant future. But can any body here can
> > > NOW that I am God or I am Brahman?
> > >
> > > Who feels so?
> > > regards
> > >
> > My answer to this is
> > embedded in the previous
> > response, but here another
> > 2 cents worth:
> > This "distant future" is
> > the knot of unrealized
> > religious dogma. It keeps
> > the faithful on a pilgrimage
> > throughout life.
> > Yet all realized masters teach
> > that it is our birthright
> > to know God NOW as a waking
> > Christ Consciousness or
> > Krishna Consciousness (or
> > Samadhi or whatever word
> > works).
> > To proclaim a knowing of
> > God in the NOW is met with
> > suspicion and hostility by
> > the "superstitious" who have
> > subscribed to a blind
> > creed and a pledge to
> > uphold doctrine into which
> > they have no insight.
> > Most admired among the
> > fundamentalists is the
> > pious bent over pilgrim,
> > waiting for that sweet
> > chariot to take them
> > home...some day.
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However since even the state of deep sleep is a durational occurrence, it is also within the gestalt of time.
The state of deep sleep has a start and an end.
That which is trancendental to even the state of deep sleep is.....
yeshwanthi vasudevan wrote:
> But Sandeep, isn't that like a deep-sleep state. While I'am asleep (in deep-sleep) there is no form, identity or any past, present or future related to that identity of "me", while I'am in a deep-sleep. While I'am in a deep sleep, there is no "me" to be aware of the fact that there is no "me" (along with all the baggage that the "me" carries with itself, such as form, identity, past, present future etc). In other words, while I'am in a deep sleep, I don't even know if I'am alive or dead. sandeep chatterjee <sandeep1960@ yahoo.com> wrote: Jeff Belyea <jeff@mindgoal. com> wrote: --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com , sandeep chatterjee <sandeep1960@ ...> wrote: > Changing mulberry bushes, does not cease the running > around. This true, but it is through the running around, and finding of just the right mulberry bush in just the right light that entices the mind to cease running andconceptualizing. ------------ The mind can never cease running or conceptualizing. The very presence of the sense of conceptualizing. .. infers the existence of the
> mind. The very sense that such and such act which may be enfolding as the moment, moment to moment will get "me" such and such, infers the existence of the "me". The very presence of a sense of enticement, no matter about what........ ..is the sense of the mind. The very presence of a sense of a stake (and enticement is nothing but a stake), no matter about what........ ..is the sense of the mind. Thus the mind can never know or experience the state (so to say) of the absence of the presence of conceptualizing. And thus the state....... ....(to use a mere term).. . of the absence of the presence of conceptualizing and the absence of this very absence..... .....has no cognition of a mind........ ... let alone a mind to be enticed to cease. Awakened.... ......there is nothing which is not already
> awakened. Nor is there anything which is awakened either. And yet this post as a pointing over cyber space....... ... happens. .
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