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  • Bruce Morgen
    Jeff knows this, but just for clarity: I m not questioning his authenticity, just noting what I see as the pitfalls of adopting theistic expression. We all
    Message 1 of 13 , Jan 17, 2008
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      Jeff knows this, but just for
      clarity: I'm not questioning
      his authenticity, just noting
      what I see as the pitfalls of
      adopting theistic expression.
      We all have to weigh pulpit
      impact vs. possibly misleading
      or occluding effects, and we
      tend to make our calls based
      on conditioning -- both the
      environmental conditioning of
      our upbringings (cum other
      formative experiences) and the
      biological/genetic conditioning
      that determines our places on
      the bhakta-jnana spectrum.

      Thanks for the dialogue, Jeff!


      Jeff Belyea wrote:
      > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
      > <editor@...> wrote:
      >
      >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
      >>
      >>> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
      >>> <editor@> wrote:
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>> Jeff Belyea wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
      >>>>> response to Era's post about
      >>>>> "knowing God"...
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Here's my "little bit of this,
      >>>>> little bit of that" from my dance:
      >>>>>
      >>>>> >From The Old Testament
      >>>>> (repeated in the New One
      >>>>> and reference several times
      >>>>> as "having come to pass"):
      >>>>>
      >>>>> "Behold, the days come,
      >>>>> saith the LORD, that I
      >>>>> will make a a new covenant...
      >>>>>
      >>>>> I will put my law in their
      >>>>> inward parts, and write it in
      >>>>> their hearts; ...
      >>>>>
      >>>>> they shall all know me."
      >>>>>
      >>>>> So, if the wise say that
      >>>>> they know that God is
      >>>>> unknowable, they err. And
      >>>>> they are wise in their
      >>>>> own mind - which is
      >>>>> incidently the major block
      >>>>> to enlightenment.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Enlightenment IS coming
      >>>>> into the knowledgable
      >>>>> presence of God..
      >>>>> as promised.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> I know God.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Formally introduced
      >>>>> July 21, many years ago,
      >>>>> at about 9:30am.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> And we continue to
      >>>>> stay in touch.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Call me ignorant if
      >>>>> you must. God knows.
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>> I see you as not "ignorant,"
      >>>> but perhaps playing somewhat
      >>>> fast and loose with the word
      >>>> "knowledge," which essentially
      >>>> means "stored information."
      >>>>
      >>>> As an illustration, can you
      >>>> tell me what it is you "know"
      >>>> of this "God?"
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>> It is the inadequacy of words
      >>> to explain the fuller meaning
      >>> of "Knowledge" in the context
      >>> of my earlier post that makes it
      >>> seem as a fast and loose dance.
      >>>
      >>>
      >> True.
      >>
      >>
      >>> Knowledge becomes secondary stored
      >>> information when it enters
      >>> the necessarily dualistic world
      >>> of mental reflection and any
      >>> attempt at "telling".
      >>>
      >>>
      >> True.
      >>
      >>
      >>> God can be Known, but God
      >>> cannot be explained in words;
      >>> only Known by direct experience...
      >>> which, to be redundant, is
      >>> beyond words.
      >>>
      >>>
      >> Iow, "unknowable" -- and
      >> capitalizing that "K"
      >> doesn't change that fact.
      >>
      >> Please consider that
      >> fortunate "realized" folks
      >> still have the failings of
      >> incarnate life to deal with.
      >> Religious conditioning is
      >> especially problematic and
      >> can easily lead to mistaking
      >> the ecstatic response of our
      >> personal meat puppets to the
      >> unknowable (aka "Holy
      >> Spirit") with "knowing God"
      >> or some such -- our heads
      >> are full of old scripture
      >> vouchsafing this knowledge
      >> to us, so in the aftermoment
      >> ego "backfills" the miracle
      >> of realization with that
      >> stuff and we are quite prone
      >> to claiming that we now
      >> "know God." It sure sounds
      >> good from the pulpit too!
      >>
      >>
      >>> Thanks, Bruce. Always
      >>> enjoy your perspective.
      >>>
      >>>
      >> Right back atcha, Jeff!
      >>
      >>
      >>> Jeff
      >>>
      >>>
      >> Much love -- Bruce
      >>
      >>
      >
      > Interesting syntax -
      > ego backfilling vs new
      > enlightened understanding
      > of scripture. There would
      > be more of a case for the
      > headroom filled with
      > scripture that is used
      > by the ego to backfill,
      > if the backfilling were
      > model specific (the home
      > of the fundamentalist),
      > but when the knowledge
      > with a capital K (a literary
      > and graphic design convention,
      > I know) reveals a core
      > understanding in all
      > spiritual traditions
      > (the mystical path),
      > the case is less
      > convincing.
      >
      > The meat puppets who
      > think morph into meat
      > puppets who have a
      > pseudo-spiritual experience?
      >
      > Cosmic, man.
      >
      > I'll take theist language,
      > thanks. Sure sounds better
      > from the pulpit - especially
      > when it comes from the
      > mystic heart of Knowledge.
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Cosmic Man
      >
      > PS: Just had flashback
      > to the punch and Judy days.
      >
      >
    • Jeff Belyea
      ... You re welcome, Bruce. True, your responses to me are never taken as questioning authenticity. I couldn t help but note the plot twist at the end of your
      Message 2 of 13 , Jan 17, 2008
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        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
        >
        > Jeff knows this, but just for
        > clarity: I'm not questioning
        > his authenticity, just noting
        > what I see as the pitfalls of
        > adopting theistic expression.
        > We all have to weigh pulpit
        > impact vs. possibly misleading
        > or occluding effects, and we
        > tend to make our calls based
        > on conditioning -- both the
        > environmental conditioning of
        > our upbringings (cum other
        > formative experiences) and the
        > biological/genetic conditioning
        > that determines our places on
        > the bhakta-jnana spectrum.
        >
        > Thanks for the dialogue, Jeff!

        You're welcome, Bruce.
        True, your responses to
        me are never taken as
        questioning authenticity.

        I couldn't help but note
        the "plot twist" at the end
        of your post. Two of us
        from Judeo (you)-Christian (me)
        backgrounds discussing
        the pros and pitfalls of
        theistic language ends with
        a reference to the bhakta-
        jnana spectrum. Smilling.

        How about, God is knowable,
        but not wordable?

        Peace, love and blessings,

        Jeff

        PS: Not sure why you mixed
        in the little aside about fortunate
        "realized" ones having to cope with
        the slings and arrows of life on
        earth, but, of course, agreed.

        Above the fray (in a way), but not
        above stubbing a toe on a bedpost
        during a night-time sojourn...
        and spouting a burst of profanity.





        >
        >
        > Jeff Belyea wrote:
        > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
        > > <editor@> wrote:
        > >
        > >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
        > >>
        > >>> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
        > >>> <editor@> wrote:
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >>>> Jeff Belyea wrote:
        > >>>>
        > >>>>
        > >>>>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
        > >>>>> response to Era's post about
        > >>>>> "knowing God"...
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Here's my "little bit of this,
        > >>>>> little bit of that" from my dance:
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> >From The Old Testament
        > >>>>> (repeated in the New One
        > >>>>> and reference several times
        > >>>>> as "having come to pass"):
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> "Behold, the days come,
        > >>>>> saith the LORD, that I
        > >>>>> will make a a new covenant...
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> I will put my law in their
        > >>>>> inward parts, and write it in
        > >>>>> their hearts; ...
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> they shall all know me."
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> So, if the wise say that
        > >>>>> they know that God is
        > >>>>> unknowable, they err. And
        > >>>>> they are wise in their
        > >>>>> own mind - which is
        > >>>>> incidently the major block
        > >>>>> to enlightenment.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Enlightenment IS coming
        > >>>>> into the knowledgable
        > >>>>> presence of God..
        > >>>>> as promised.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> I know God.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Formally introduced
        > >>>>> July 21, many years ago,
        > >>>>> at about 9:30am.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> And we continue to
        > >>>>> stay in touch.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Call me ignorant if
        > >>>>> you must. God knows.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>>
        > >>>> I see you as not "ignorant,"
        > >>>> but perhaps playing somewhat
        > >>>> fast and loose with the word
        > >>>> "knowledge," which essentially
        > >>>> means "stored information."
        > >>>>
        > >>>> As an illustration, can you
        > >>>> tell me what it is you "know"
        > >>>> of this "God?"
        > >>>>
        > >>>>
        > >>>>
        > >>> It is the inadequacy of words
        > >>> to explain the fuller meaning
        > >>> of "Knowledge" in the context
        > >>> of my earlier post that makes it
        > >>> seem as a fast and loose dance.
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >> True.
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>> Knowledge becomes secondary stored
        > >>> information when it enters
        > >>> the necessarily dualistic world
        > >>> of mental reflection and any
        > >>> attempt at "telling".
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >> True.
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>> God can be Known, but God
        > >>> cannot be explained in words;
        > >>> only Known by direct experience...
        > >>> which, to be redundant, is
        > >>> beyond words.
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >> Iow, "unknowable" -- and
        > >> capitalizing that "K"
        > >> doesn't change that fact.
        > >>
        > >> Please consider that
        > >> fortunate "realized" folks
        > >> still have the failings of
        > >> incarnate life to deal with.
        > >> Religious conditioning is
        > >> especially problematic and
        > >> can easily lead to mistaking
        > >> the ecstatic response of our
        > >> personal meat puppets to the
        > >> unknowable (aka "Holy
        > >> Spirit") with "knowing God"
        > >> or some such -- our heads
        > >> are full of old scripture
        > >> vouchsafing this knowledge
        > >> to us, so in the aftermoment
        > >> ego "backfills" the miracle
        > >> of realization with that
        > >> stuff and we are quite prone
        > >> to claiming that we now
        > >> "know God." It sure sounds
        > >> good from the pulpit too!
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>> Thanks, Bruce. Always
        > >>> enjoy your perspective.
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >> Right back atcha, Jeff!
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>> Jeff
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >> Much love -- Bruce
        > >>
        > >>
        > >
        > > Interesting syntax -
        > > ego backfilling vs new
        > > enlightened understanding
        > > of scripture. There would
        > > be more of a case for the
        > > headroom filled with
        > > scripture that is used
        > > by the ego to backfill,
        > > if the backfilling were
        > > model specific (the home
        > > of the fundamentalist),
        > > but when the knowledge
        > > with a capital K (a literary
        > > and graphic design convention,
        > > I know) reveals a core
        > > understanding in all
        > > spiritual traditions
        > > (the mystical path),
        > > the case is less
        > > convincing.
        > >
        > > The meat puppets who
        > > think morph into meat
        > > puppets who have a
        > > pseudo-spiritual experience?
        > >
        > > Cosmic, man.
        > >
        > > I'll take theist language,
        > > thanks. Sure sounds better
        > > from the pulpit - especially
        > > when it comes from the
        > > mystic heart of Knowledge.
        > >
        > > Thanks,
        > >
        > > Cosmic Man
        > >
        > > PS: Just had flashback
        > > to the punch and Judy days.
        > >
        > >
        >
      • Bruce Morgen
        ... No sale -- but thanks for playing! :-) ... Right back atcha! ... Because our language preferences tend to be part and parcel of conditioning
        Message 3 of 13 , Jan 17, 2008
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          Jeff Belyea wrote:
          > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
          >
          >> Jeff knows this, but just for
          >> clarity: I'm not questioning
          >> his authenticity, just noting
          >> what I see as the pitfalls of
          >> adopting theistic expression.
          >> We all have to weigh pulpit
          >> impact vs. possibly misleading
          >> or occluding effects, and we
          >> tend to make our calls based
          >> on conditioning -- both the
          >> environmental conditioning of
          >> our upbringings (cum other
          >> formative experiences) and the
          >> biological/genetic conditioning
          >> that determines our places on
          >> the bhakta-jnana spectrum.
          >>
          >> Thanks for the dialogue, Jeff!
          >>
          >
          > You're welcome, Bruce.
          > True, your responses to
          > me are never taken as
          > questioning authenticity.
          >
          > I couldn't help but note
          > the "plot twist" at the end
          > of your post. Two of us
          > from Judeo (you)-Christian (me)
          > backgrounds discussing
          > the pros and pitfalls of
          > theistic language ends with
          > a reference to the bhakta-
          > jnana spectrum. Smilling.
          >
          > How about, God is knowable,
          > but not wordable?
          >

          No sale -- but thanks for
          playing! :-)

          > Peace, love and blessings,
          >

          Right back atcha!

          > Jeff
          >
          > PS: Not sure why you mixed
          > in the little aside about fortunate
          > "realized" ones having to cope with
          > the slings and arrows of life on
          > earth, but, of course, agreed.
          >
          Because our language
          preferences tend to be part
          and parcel of conditioning
          rather than imparted by our
          "Holy Spirit" encounter(s).

          > Above the fray (in a way), but not
          > above stubbing a toe on a bedpost
          > during a night-time sojourn...
          > and spouting a burst of profanity.
          >
          bcnu around, Jeff!

          >
          >
          >
          >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
          >>
          >>> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
          >>> <editor@> wrote:
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>> Jeff Belyea wrote:
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>>>> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
          >>>>> <editor@> wrote:
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>>>> Jeff Belyea wrote:
          >>>>>>
          >>>>>>
          >>>>>>
          >>>>>>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
          >>>>>>> response to Era's post about
          >>>>>>> "knowing God"...
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>> Here's my "little bit of this,
          >>>>>>> little bit of that" from my dance:
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>> >From The Old Testament
          >>>>>>> (repeated in the New One
          >>>>>>> and reference several times
          >>>>>>> as "having come to pass"):
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>> "Behold, the days come,
          >>>>>>> saith the LORD, that I
          >>>>>>> will make a a new covenant...
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>> I will put my law in their
          >>>>>>> inward parts, and write it in
          >>>>>>> their hearts; ...
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>> they shall all know me."
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>> So, if the wise say that
          >>>>>>> they know that God is
          >>>>>>> unknowable, they err. And
          >>>>>>> they are wise in their
          >>>>>>> own mind - which is
          >>>>>>> incidently the major block
          >>>>>>> to enlightenment.
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>> Enlightenment IS coming
          >>>>>>> into the knowledgable
          >>>>>>> presence of God..
          >>>>>>> as promised.
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>> I know God.
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>> Formally introduced
          >>>>>>> July 21, many years ago,
          >>>>>>> at about 9:30am.
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>> And we continue to
          >>>>>>> stay in touch.
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>> Call me ignorant if
          >>>>>>> you must. God knows.
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>>>
          >>>>>> I see you as not "ignorant,"
          >>>>>> but perhaps playing somewhat
          >>>>>> fast and loose with the word
          >>>>>> "knowledge," which essentially
          >>>>>> means "stored information."
          >>>>>>
          >>>>>> As an illustration, can you
          >>>>>> tell me what it is you "know"
          >>>>>> of this "God?"
          >>>>>>
          >>>>>>
          >>>>>>
          >>>>>>
          >>>>> It is the inadequacy of words
          >>>>> to explain the fuller meaning
          >>>>> of "Knowledge" in the context
          >>>>> of my earlier post that makes it
          >>>>> seem as a fast and loose dance.
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>> True.
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>>>> Knowledge becomes secondary stored
          >>>>> information when it enters
          >>>>> the necessarily dualistic world
          >>>>> of mental reflection and any
          >>>>> attempt at "telling".
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>> True.
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>>>> God can be Known, but God
          >>>>> cannot be explained in words;
          >>>>> only Known by direct experience...
          >>>>> which, to be redundant, is
          >>>>> beyond words.
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>> Iow, "unknowable" -- and
          >>>> capitalizing that "K"
          >>>> doesn't change that fact.
          >>>>
          >>>> Please consider that
          >>>> fortunate "realized" folks
          >>>> still have the failings of
          >>>> incarnate life to deal with.
          >>>> Religious conditioning is
          >>>> especially problematic and
          >>>> can easily lead to mistaking
          >>>> the ecstatic response of our
          >>>> personal meat puppets to the
          >>>> unknowable (aka "Holy
          >>>> Spirit") with "knowing God"
          >>>> or some such -- our heads
          >>>> are full of old scripture
          >>>> vouchsafing this knowledge
          >>>> to us, so in the aftermoment
          >>>> ego "backfills" the miracle
          >>>> of realization with that
          >>>> stuff and we are quite prone
          >>>> to claiming that we now
          >>>> "know God." It sure sounds
          >>>> good from the pulpit too!
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>>>> Thanks, Bruce. Always
          >>>>> enjoy your perspective.
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>> Right back atcha, Jeff!
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>>>> Jeff
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>>>
          >>>> Much love -- Bruce
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>>>
          >>> Interesting syntax -
          >>> ego backfilling vs new
          >>> enlightened understanding
          >>> of scripture. There would
          >>> be more of a case for the
          >>> headroom filled with
          >>> scripture that is used
          >>> by the ego to backfill,
          >>> if the backfilling were
          >>> model specific (the home
          >>> of the fundamentalist),
          >>> but when the knowledge
          >>> with a capital K (a literary
          >>> and graphic design convention,
          >>> I know) reveals a core
          >>> understanding in all
          >>> spiritual traditions
          >>> (the mystical path),
          >>> the case is less
          >>> convincing.
          >>>
          >>> The meat puppets who
          >>> think morph into meat
          >>> puppets who have a
          >>> pseudo-spiritual experience?
          >>>
          >>> Cosmic, man.
          >>>
          >>> I'll take theist language,
          >>> thanks. Sure sounds better
          >>> from the pulpit - especially
          >>> when it comes from the
          >>> mystic heart of Knowledge.
          >>>
          >>> Thanks,
          >>>
          >>> Cosmic Man
          >>>
          >>> PS: Just had flashback
          >>> to the punch and Judy days.
          >>>
          >>>
        • sean tremblay
          Gods favorite color is Blue God is a people person God likes water, sunshine and the outdoors God loves astronomy I m not sure what Gods musical preference is
          Message 4 of 13 , Jan 18, 2008
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            Gods favorite color is Blue
            God is a people person
            God likes water,
             sunshine
            and the outdoors
            God loves astronomy
            I'm not sure what Gods musical preference is
            God looks nothing like Gorge Burns
            But I'm sure God would enjoy a good cigar(who doesnt)
            Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
            Jeff Belyea wrote:
            > In response to Bob and Bruce's
            > response to Era's post about
            > "knowing God"...
            >
            > Here's my "little bit of this,
            > little bit of that" from my dance:
            >
            > >From The Old Testament
            > (repeated in the New One
            > and reference several times
            > as "having come to pass"):
            >
            > "Behold, the days come,
            > saith the LORD, that I
            > will make a a new covenant...
            >
            > I will put my law in their
            > inward parts, and write it in
            > their hearts; ...
            >
            > they shall all know me."
            >
            > So, if the wise say that
            > they know that God is
            > unknowable, they err. And
            > they are wise in their
            > own mind - which is
            > incidently the major block
            > to enlightenment.
            >
            > Enlightenment IS coming
            > into the knowledgable
            > presence of God..
            > as promised.
            >
            > I know God.
            >
            > Formally introduced
            > July 21, many years ago,
            > at about 9:30am.
            >
            > And we continue to
            > stay in touch.
            >
            > Call me ignorant if
            > you must. God knows.
            >
            I see you as not "ignorant,"
            but perhaps playing somewhat
            fast and loose with the word
            "knowledge," which essentially
            means "stored information. "

            As an illustration, can you
            tell me what it is you "know"
            of this "God?"



            Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

          • Jeff Belyea
            God s musical preference is the harp...not the wimpy harp, but more of the Blues Travelers lung-rippin harp.
            Message 5 of 13 , Jan 18, 2008
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              God's musical preference
              is the harp...not the wimpy
              harp, but more of the Blues
              Travelers lung-rippin' harp.


              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
              <bethjams9@...> wrote:
              >
              > Gods favorite color is Blue
              > God is a people person
              > God likes water,
              > sunshine
              > and the outdoors
              > God loves astronomy
              > I'm not sure what Gods musical preference is
              > God looks nothing like Gorge Burns
              > But I'm sure God would enjoy a good cigar(who doesnt)
              > Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
              > Jeff Belyea wrote:
              > > In response to Bob and Bruce's
              > > response to Era's post about
              > > "knowing God"...
              > >
              > > Here's my "little bit of this,
              > > little bit of that" from my dance:
              > >
              > > >From The Old Testament
              > > (repeated in the New One
              > > and reference several times
              > > as "having come to pass"):
              > >
              > > "Behold, the days come,
              > > saith the LORD, that I
              > > will make a a new covenant...
              > >
              > > I will put my law in their
              > > inward parts, and write it in
              > > their hearts; ...
              > >
              > > they shall all know me."
              > >
              > > So, if the wise say that
              > > they know that God is
              > > unknowable, they err. And
              > > they are wise in their
              > > own mind - which is
              > > incidently the major block
              > > to enlightenment.
              > >
              > > Enlightenment IS coming
              > > into the knowledgable
              > > presence of God..
              > > as promised.
              > >
              > > I know God.
              > >
              > > Formally introduced
              > > July 21, many years ago,
              > > at about 9:30am.
              > >
              > > And we continue to
              > > stay in touch.
              > >
              > > Call me ignorant if
              > > you must. God knows.
              > >
              > I see you as not "ignorant,"
              > but perhaps playing somewhat
              > fast and loose with the word
              > "knowledge," which essentially
              > means "stored information."
              >
              > As an illustration, can you
              > tell me what it is you "know"
              > of this "God?"
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ---------------------------------
              > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
              >
            • Bruce Morgen
              nuff said....
              Message 6 of 13 , Jan 18, 2008
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                <http://youtube.com/watch?v=OmC4SJ42Z-s>

                'nuff said....


                Jeff Belyea wrote:
                > God's musical preference
                > is the harp...not the wimpy
                > harp, but more of the Blues
                > Travelers lung-rippin' harp.
                >
                >
                > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                > <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                >
                >> Gods favorite color is Blue
                >> God is a people person
                >> God likes water,
                >> sunshine
                >> and the outdoors
                >> God loves astronomy
                >> I'm not sure what Gods musical preference is
                >> God looks nothing like Gorge Burns
                >> But I'm sure God would enjoy a good cigar(who doesnt)
                >> Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
                >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
                >>
                >>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
                >>> response to Era's post about
                >>> "knowing God"...
                >>>
                >>> Here's my "little bit of this,
                >>> little bit of that" from my dance:
                >>>
                >>> >From The Old Testament
                >>> (repeated in the New One
                >>> and reference several times
                >>> as "having come to pass"):
                >>>
                >>> "Behold, the days come,
                >>> saith the LORD, that I
                >>> will make a a new covenant...
                >>>
                >>> I will put my law in their
                >>> inward parts, and write it in
                >>> their hearts; ...
                >>>
                >>> they shall all know me."
                >>>
                >>> So, if the wise say that
                >>> they know that God is
                >>> unknowable, they err. And
                >>> they are wise in their
                >>> own mind - which is
                >>> incidently the major block
                >>> to enlightenment.
                >>>
                >>> Enlightenment IS coming
                >>> into the knowledgable
                >>> presence of God..
                >>> as promised.
                >>>
                >>> I know God.
                >>>
                >>> Formally introduced
                >>> July 21, many years ago,
                >>> at about 9:30am.
                >>>
                >>> And we continue to
                >>> stay in touch.
                >>>
                >>> Call me ignorant if
                >>> you must. God knows.
                >>>
                >>>
                >> I see you as not "ignorant,"
                >> but perhaps playing somewhat
                >> fast and loose with the word
                >> "knowledge," which essentially
                >> means "stored information."
                >>
                >> As an illustration, can you
                >> tell me what it is you "know"
                >> of this "God?"
                >>
              • Jeff Belyea
                heavenly
                Message 7 of 13 , Jan 18, 2008
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                  heavenly

                  --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
                  <editor@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > <http://youtube.com/watch?v=OmC4SJ42Z-s>
                  >
                  > 'nuff said....
                  >
                  >
                  > Jeff Belyea wrote:
                  > > God's musical preference
                  > > is the harp...not the wimpy
                  > > harp, but more of the Blues
                  > > Travelers lung-rippin' harp.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                  > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > >> Gods favorite color is Blue
                  > >> God is a people person
                  > >> God likes water,
                  > >> sunshine
                  > >> and the outdoors
                  > >> God loves astronomy
                  > >> I'm not sure what Gods musical preference is
                  > >> God looks nothing like Gorge Burns
                  > >> But I'm sure God would enjoy a good cigar(who doesnt)
                  > >> Bruce Morgen <editor@> wrote:
                  > >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
                  > >>
                  > >>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
                  > >>> response to Era's post about
                  > >>> "knowing God"...
                  > >>>
                  > >>> Here's my "little bit of this,
                  > >>> little bit of that" from my dance:
                  > >>>
                  > >>> >From The Old Testament
                  > >>> (repeated in the New One
                  > >>> and reference several times
                  > >>> as "having come to pass"):
                  > >>>
                  > >>> "Behold, the days come,
                  > >>> saith the LORD, that I
                  > >>> will make a a new covenant...
                  > >>>
                  > >>> I will put my law in their
                  > >>> inward parts, and write it in
                  > >>> their hearts; ...
                  > >>>
                  > >>> they shall all know me."
                  > >>>
                  > >>> So, if the wise say that
                  > >>> they know that God is
                  > >>> unknowable, they err. And
                  > >>> they are wise in their
                  > >>> own mind - which is
                  > >>> incidently the major block
                  > >>> to enlightenment.
                  > >>>
                  > >>> Enlightenment IS coming
                  > >>> into the knowledgable
                  > >>> presence of God..
                  > >>> as promised.
                  > >>>
                  > >>> I know God.
                  > >>>
                  > >>> Formally introduced
                  > >>> July 21, many years ago,
                  > >>> at about 9:30am.
                  > >>>
                  > >>> And we continue to
                  > >>> stay in touch.
                  > >>>
                  > >>> Call me ignorant if
                  > >>> you must. God knows.
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >> I see you as not "ignorant,"
                  > >> but perhaps playing somewhat
                  > >> fast and loose with the word
                  > >> "knowledge," which essentially
                  > >> means "stored information."
                  > >>
                  > >> As an illustration, can you
                  > >> tell me what it is you "know"
                  > >> of this "God?"
                  > >>
                  >
                • Aideen McKenna
                  Oh thank you – that video made my week! _____ From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                  Message 8 of 13 , Jan 18, 2008
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                    Oh thank you – that video made my week!

                     


                    From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruce Morgen
                    Sent: January 18, 2008 10:30 AM
                    To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] Mambo #5 with God

                     

                    <http://youtube. com/watch? v=OmC4SJ42Z- s>

                    'nuff said....

                    Jeff Belyea wrote:

                    > God's musical preference
                    > is the harp...not the wimpy
                    > harp, but more of the Blues
                    > Travelers lung-rippin' harp.
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                    sean tremblay
                    > <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
                    >
                    >> Gods favorite color is Blue
                    >> God is a people person
                    >> God likes water,
                    >> sunshine
                    >> and the outdoors
                    >> God loves astronomy
                    >> I'm not sure what Gods musical preference is
                    >> God looks nothing like Gorge Burns
                    >> But I'm sure God would enjoy a good cigar(who doesnt)
                    >> Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
                    >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
                    >>
                    >>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
                    >>> response to Era's post about
                    >>> "knowing God"...
                    >>>
                    >>> Here's my "little bit of this,
                    >>> little bit of that" from my dance:
                    >>>
                    >>> >From The Old Testament
                    >>> (repeated in the New One
                    >>> and reference several times
                    >>> as "having come to pass"):
                    >>>
                    >>> "Behold, the days come,
                    >>> saith the LORD, that I
                    >>> will make a a new covenant...
                    >>>
                    >>> I will put my law in their
                    >>> inward parts, and write it in
                    >>> their hearts; ...
                    >>>
                    >>> they shall all know me."
                    >>>
                    >>> So, if the wise say that
                    >>> they know that God is
                    >>> unknowable, they err. And
                    >>> they are wise in their
                    >>> own mind - which is
                    >>> incidently the major block
                    >>> to enlightenment.
                    >>>
                    >>> Enlightenment IS coming
                    >>> into the knowledgable
                    >>> presence of God..
                    >>> as promised.
                    >>>
                    >>> I know God.
                    >>>
                    >>> Formally introduced
                    >>> July 21, many years ago,
                    >>> at about 9:30am.
                    >>>
                    >>> And we continue to
                    >>> stay in touch.
                    >>>
                    >>> Call me ignorant if
                    >>> you must. God knows.
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >> I see you as not "ignorant,"
                    >> but perhaps playing somewhat
                    >> fast and loose with the word
                    >> "knowledge," which essentially
                    >> means "stored information. "
                    >>
                    >> As an illustration, can you
                    >> tell me what it is you "know"
                    >> of this "God?"
                    >>


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