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  • Jeff Belyea
    ... Interesting syntax - ego backfilling vs new enlightened understanding of scripture. There would be more of a case for the headroom filled with scripture
    Message 1 of 13 , Jan 17, 2008
      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
      <editor@...> wrote:
      >
      > Jeff Belyea wrote:
      > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
      > > <editor@> wrote:
      > >
      > >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
      > >>
      > >>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
      > >>> response to Era's post about
      > >>> "knowing God"...
      > >>>
      > >>> Here's my "little bit of this,
      > >>> little bit of that" from my dance:
      > >>>
      > >>> >From The Old Testament
      > >>> (repeated in the New One
      > >>> and reference several times
      > >>> as "having come to pass"):
      > >>>
      > >>> "Behold, the days come,
      > >>> saith the LORD, that I
      > >>> will make a a new covenant...
      > >>>
      > >>> I will put my law in their
      > >>> inward parts, and write it in
      > >>> their hearts; ...
      > >>>
      > >>> they shall all know me."
      > >>>
      > >>> So, if the wise say that
      > >>> they know that God is
      > >>> unknowable, they err. And
      > >>> they are wise in their
      > >>> own mind - which is
      > >>> incidently the major block
      > >>> to enlightenment.
      > >>>
      > >>> Enlightenment IS coming
      > >>> into the knowledgable
      > >>> presence of God..
      > >>> as promised.
      > >>>
      > >>> I know God.
      > >>>
      > >>> Formally introduced
      > >>> July 21, many years ago,
      > >>> at about 9:30am.
      > >>>
      > >>> And we continue to
      > >>> stay in touch.
      > >>>
      > >>> Call me ignorant if
      > >>> you must. God knows.
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >> I see you as not "ignorant,"
      > >> but perhaps playing somewhat
      > >> fast and loose with the word
      > >> "knowledge," which essentially
      > >> means "stored information."
      > >>
      > >> As an illustration, can you
      > >> tell me what it is you "know"
      > >> of this "God?"
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > > It is the inadequacy of words
      > > to explain the fuller meaning
      > > of "Knowledge" in the context
      > > of my earlier post that makes it
      > > seem as a fast and loose dance.
      > >
      >
      > True.
      >
      > > Knowledge becomes secondary stored
      > > information when it enters
      > > the necessarily dualistic world
      > > of mental reflection and any
      > > attempt at "telling".
      > >
      >
      > True.
      >
      > > God can be Known, but God
      > > cannot be explained in words;
      > > only Known by direct experience...
      > > which, to be redundant, is
      > > beyond words.
      > >
      >
      > Iow, "unknowable" -- and
      > capitalizing that "K"
      > doesn't change that fact.
      >
      > Please consider that
      > fortunate "realized" folks
      > still have the failings of
      > incarnate life to deal with.
      > Religious conditioning is
      > especially problematic and
      > can easily lead to mistaking
      > the ecstatic response of our
      > personal meat puppets to the
      > unknowable (aka "Holy
      > Spirit") with "knowing God"
      > or some such -- our heads
      > are full of old scripture
      > vouchsafing this knowledge
      > to us, so in the aftermoment
      > ego "backfills" the miracle
      > of realization with that
      > stuff and we are quite prone
      > to claiming that we now
      > "know God." It sure sounds
      > good from the pulpit too!
      >
      > > Thanks, Bruce. Always
      > > enjoy your perspective.
      > >
      >
      > Right back atcha, Jeff!
      >
      > > Jeff
      > >
      > Much love -- Bruce
      >

      Interesting syntax -
      ego backfilling vs new
      enlightened understanding
      of scripture. There would
      be more of a case for the
      headroom filled with
      scripture that is used
      by the ego to backfill,
      if the backfilling were
      model specific (the home
      of the fundamentalist),
      but when the knowledge
      with a capital K (a literary
      and graphic design convention,
      I know) reveals a core
      understanding in all
      spiritual traditions
      (the mystical path),
      the case is less
      convincing.

      The meat puppets who
      think morph into meat
      puppets who have a
      pseudo-spiritual experience?

      Cosmic, man.

      I'll take theist language,
      thanks. Sure sounds better
      from the pulpit - especially
      when it comes from the
      mystic heart of Knowledge.

      Thanks,

      Cosmic Man

      PS: Just had flashback
      to the punch and Judy days.
    • Bruce Morgen
      Jeff knows this, but just for clarity: I m not questioning his authenticity, just noting what I see as the pitfalls of adopting theistic expression. We all
      Message 2 of 13 , Jan 17, 2008
        Jeff knows this, but just for
        clarity: I'm not questioning
        his authenticity, just noting
        what I see as the pitfalls of
        adopting theistic expression.
        We all have to weigh pulpit
        impact vs. possibly misleading
        or occluding effects, and we
        tend to make our calls based
        on conditioning -- both the
        environmental conditioning of
        our upbringings (cum other
        formative experiences) and the
        biological/genetic conditioning
        that determines our places on
        the bhakta-jnana spectrum.

        Thanks for the dialogue, Jeff!


        Jeff Belyea wrote:
        > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
        > <editor@...> wrote:
        >
        >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
        >>
        >>> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
        >>> <editor@> wrote:
        >>>
        >>>
        >>>> Jeff Belyea wrote:
        >>>>
        >>>>
        >>>>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
        >>>>> response to Era's post about
        >>>>> "knowing God"...
        >>>>>
        >>>>> Here's my "little bit of this,
        >>>>> little bit of that" from my dance:
        >>>>>
        >>>>> >From The Old Testament
        >>>>> (repeated in the New One
        >>>>> and reference several times
        >>>>> as "having come to pass"):
        >>>>>
        >>>>> "Behold, the days come,
        >>>>> saith the LORD, that I
        >>>>> will make a a new covenant...
        >>>>>
        >>>>> I will put my law in their
        >>>>> inward parts, and write it in
        >>>>> their hearts; ...
        >>>>>
        >>>>> they shall all know me."
        >>>>>
        >>>>> So, if the wise say that
        >>>>> they know that God is
        >>>>> unknowable, they err. And
        >>>>> they are wise in their
        >>>>> own mind - which is
        >>>>> incidently the major block
        >>>>> to enlightenment.
        >>>>>
        >>>>> Enlightenment IS coming
        >>>>> into the knowledgable
        >>>>> presence of God..
        >>>>> as promised.
        >>>>>
        >>>>> I know God.
        >>>>>
        >>>>> Formally introduced
        >>>>> July 21, many years ago,
        >>>>> at about 9:30am.
        >>>>>
        >>>>> And we continue to
        >>>>> stay in touch.
        >>>>>
        >>>>> Call me ignorant if
        >>>>> you must. God knows.
        >>>>>
        >>>>>
        >>>>>
        >>>> I see you as not "ignorant,"
        >>>> but perhaps playing somewhat
        >>>> fast and loose with the word
        >>>> "knowledge," which essentially
        >>>> means "stored information."
        >>>>
        >>>> As an illustration, can you
        >>>> tell me what it is you "know"
        >>>> of this "God?"
        >>>>
        >>>>
        >>>>
        >>> It is the inadequacy of words
        >>> to explain the fuller meaning
        >>> of "Knowledge" in the context
        >>> of my earlier post that makes it
        >>> seem as a fast and loose dance.
        >>>
        >>>
        >> True.
        >>
        >>
        >>> Knowledge becomes secondary stored
        >>> information when it enters
        >>> the necessarily dualistic world
        >>> of mental reflection and any
        >>> attempt at "telling".
        >>>
        >>>
        >> True.
        >>
        >>
        >>> God can be Known, but God
        >>> cannot be explained in words;
        >>> only Known by direct experience...
        >>> which, to be redundant, is
        >>> beyond words.
        >>>
        >>>
        >> Iow, "unknowable" -- and
        >> capitalizing that "K"
        >> doesn't change that fact.
        >>
        >> Please consider that
        >> fortunate "realized" folks
        >> still have the failings of
        >> incarnate life to deal with.
        >> Religious conditioning is
        >> especially problematic and
        >> can easily lead to mistaking
        >> the ecstatic response of our
        >> personal meat puppets to the
        >> unknowable (aka "Holy
        >> Spirit") with "knowing God"
        >> or some such -- our heads
        >> are full of old scripture
        >> vouchsafing this knowledge
        >> to us, so in the aftermoment
        >> ego "backfills" the miracle
        >> of realization with that
        >> stuff and we are quite prone
        >> to claiming that we now
        >> "know God." It sure sounds
        >> good from the pulpit too!
        >>
        >>
        >>> Thanks, Bruce. Always
        >>> enjoy your perspective.
        >>>
        >>>
        >> Right back atcha, Jeff!
        >>
        >>
        >>> Jeff
        >>>
        >>>
        >> Much love -- Bruce
        >>
        >>
        >
        > Interesting syntax -
        > ego backfilling vs new
        > enlightened understanding
        > of scripture. There would
        > be more of a case for the
        > headroom filled with
        > scripture that is used
        > by the ego to backfill,
        > if the backfilling were
        > model specific (the home
        > of the fundamentalist),
        > but when the knowledge
        > with a capital K (a literary
        > and graphic design convention,
        > I know) reveals a core
        > understanding in all
        > spiritual traditions
        > (the mystical path),
        > the case is less
        > convincing.
        >
        > The meat puppets who
        > think morph into meat
        > puppets who have a
        > pseudo-spiritual experience?
        >
        > Cosmic, man.
        >
        > I'll take theist language,
        > thanks. Sure sounds better
        > from the pulpit - especially
        > when it comes from the
        > mystic heart of Knowledge.
        >
        > Thanks,
        >
        > Cosmic Man
        >
        > PS: Just had flashback
        > to the punch and Judy days.
        >
        >
      • Jeff Belyea
        ... You re welcome, Bruce. True, your responses to me are never taken as questioning authenticity. I couldn t help but note the plot twist at the end of your
        Message 3 of 13 , Jan 17, 2008
          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
          >
          > Jeff knows this, but just for
          > clarity: I'm not questioning
          > his authenticity, just noting
          > what I see as the pitfalls of
          > adopting theistic expression.
          > We all have to weigh pulpit
          > impact vs. possibly misleading
          > or occluding effects, and we
          > tend to make our calls based
          > on conditioning -- both the
          > environmental conditioning of
          > our upbringings (cum other
          > formative experiences) and the
          > biological/genetic conditioning
          > that determines our places on
          > the bhakta-jnana spectrum.
          >
          > Thanks for the dialogue, Jeff!

          You're welcome, Bruce.
          True, your responses to
          me are never taken as
          questioning authenticity.

          I couldn't help but note
          the "plot twist" at the end
          of your post. Two of us
          from Judeo (you)-Christian (me)
          backgrounds discussing
          the pros and pitfalls of
          theistic language ends with
          a reference to the bhakta-
          jnana spectrum. Smilling.

          How about, God is knowable,
          but not wordable?

          Peace, love and blessings,

          Jeff

          PS: Not sure why you mixed
          in the little aside about fortunate
          "realized" ones having to cope with
          the slings and arrows of life on
          earth, but, of course, agreed.

          Above the fray (in a way), but not
          above stubbing a toe on a bedpost
          during a night-time sojourn...
          and spouting a burst of profanity.





          >
          >
          > Jeff Belyea wrote:
          > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
          > > <editor@> wrote:
          > >
          > >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
          > >>
          > >>> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
          > >>> <editor@> wrote:
          > >>>
          > >>>
          > >>>> Jeff Belyea wrote:
          > >>>>
          > >>>>
          > >>>>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
          > >>>>> response to Era's post about
          > >>>>> "knowing God"...
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>> Here's my "little bit of this,
          > >>>>> little bit of that" from my dance:
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>> >From The Old Testament
          > >>>>> (repeated in the New One
          > >>>>> and reference several times
          > >>>>> as "having come to pass"):
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>> "Behold, the days come,
          > >>>>> saith the LORD, that I
          > >>>>> will make a a new covenant...
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>> I will put my law in their
          > >>>>> inward parts, and write it in
          > >>>>> their hearts; ...
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>> they shall all know me."
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>> So, if the wise say that
          > >>>>> they know that God is
          > >>>>> unknowable, they err. And
          > >>>>> they are wise in their
          > >>>>> own mind - which is
          > >>>>> incidently the major block
          > >>>>> to enlightenment.
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>> Enlightenment IS coming
          > >>>>> into the knowledgable
          > >>>>> presence of God..
          > >>>>> as promised.
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>> I know God.
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>> Formally introduced
          > >>>>> July 21, many years ago,
          > >>>>> at about 9:30am.
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>> And we continue to
          > >>>>> stay in touch.
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>> Call me ignorant if
          > >>>>> you must. God knows.
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>>
          > >>>>>
          > >>>> I see you as not "ignorant,"
          > >>>> but perhaps playing somewhat
          > >>>> fast and loose with the word
          > >>>> "knowledge," which essentially
          > >>>> means "stored information."
          > >>>>
          > >>>> As an illustration, can you
          > >>>> tell me what it is you "know"
          > >>>> of this "God?"
          > >>>>
          > >>>>
          > >>>>
          > >>> It is the inadequacy of words
          > >>> to explain the fuller meaning
          > >>> of "Knowledge" in the context
          > >>> of my earlier post that makes it
          > >>> seem as a fast and loose dance.
          > >>>
          > >>>
          > >> True.
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>> Knowledge becomes secondary stored
          > >>> information when it enters
          > >>> the necessarily dualistic world
          > >>> of mental reflection and any
          > >>> attempt at "telling".
          > >>>
          > >>>
          > >> True.
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>> God can be Known, but God
          > >>> cannot be explained in words;
          > >>> only Known by direct experience...
          > >>> which, to be redundant, is
          > >>> beyond words.
          > >>>
          > >>>
          > >> Iow, "unknowable" -- and
          > >> capitalizing that "K"
          > >> doesn't change that fact.
          > >>
          > >> Please consider that
          > >> fortunate "realized" folks
          > >> still have the failings of
          > >> incarnate life to deal with.
          > >> Religious conditioning is
          > >> especially problematic and
          > >> can easily lead to mistaking
          > >> the ecstatic response of our
          > >> personal meat puppets to the
          > >> unknowable (aka "Holy
          > >> Spirit") with "knowing God"
          > >> or some such -- our heads
          > >> are full of old scripture
          > >> vouchsafing this knowledge
          > >> to us, so in the aftermoment
          > >> ego "backfills" the miracle
          > >> of realization with that
          > >> stuff and we are quite prone
          > >> to claiming that we now
          > >> "know God." It sure sounds
          > >> good from the pulpit too!
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>> Thanks, Bruce. Always
          > >>> enjoy your perspective.
          > >>>
          > >>>
          > >> Right back atcha, Jeff!
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>> Jeff
          > >>>
          > >>>
          > >> Much love -- Bruce
          > >>
          > >>
          > >
          > > Interesting syntax -
          > > ego backfilling vs new
          > > enlightened understanding
          > > of scripture. There would
          > > be more of a case for the
          > > headroom filled with
          > > scripture that is used
          > > by the ego to backfill,
          > > if the backfilling were
          > > model specific (the home
          > > of the fundamentalist),
          > > but when the knowledge
          > > with a capital K (a literary
          > > and graphic design convention,
          > > I know) reveals a core
          > > understanding in all
          > > spiritual traditions
          > > (the mystical path),
          > > the case is less
          > > convincing.
          > >
          > > The meat puppets who
          > > think morph into meat
          > > puppets who have a
          > > pseudo-spiritual experience?
          > >
          > > Cosmic, man.
          > >
          > > I'll take theist language,
          > > thanks. Sure sounds better
          > > from the pulpit - especially
          > > when it comes from the
          > > mystic heart of Knowledge.
          > >
          > > Thanks,
          > >
          > > Cosmic Man
          > >
          > > PS: Just had flashback
          > > to the punch and Judy days.
          > >
          > >
          >
        • Bruce Morgen
          ... No sale -- but thanks for playing! :-) ... Right back atcha! ... Because our language preferences tend to be part and parcel of conditioning
          Message 4 of 13 , Jan 17, 2008
            Jeff Belyea wrote:
            > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
            >
            >> Jeff knows this, but just for
            >> clarity: I'm not questioning
            >> his authenticity, just noting
            >> what I see as the pitfalls of
            >> adopting theistic expression.
            >> We all have to weigh pulpit
            >> impact vs. possibly misleading
            >> or occluding effects, and we
            >> tend to make our calls based
            >> on conditioning -- both the
            >> environmental conditioning of
            >> our upbringings (cum other
            >> formative experiences) and the
            >> biological/genetic conditioning
            >> that determines our places on
            >> the bhakta-jnana spectrum.
            >>
            >> Thanks for the dialogue, Jeff!
            >>
            >
            > You're welcome, Bruce.
            > True, your responses to
            > me are never taken as
            > questioning authenticity.
            >
            > I couldn't help but note
            > the "plot twist" at the end
            > of your post. Two of us
            > from Judeo (you)-Christian (me)
            > backgrounds discussing
            > the pros and pitfalls of
            > theistic language ends with
            > a reference to the bhakta-
            > jnana spectrum. Smilling.
            >
            > How about, God is knowable,
            > but not wordable?
            >

            No sale -- but thanks for
            playing! :-)

            > Peace, love and blessings,
            >

            Right back atcha!

            > Jeff
            >
            > PS: Not sure why you mixed
            > in the little aside about fortunate
            > "realized" ones having to cope with
            > the slings and arrows of life on
            > earth, but, of course, agreed.
            >
            Because our language
            preferences tend to be part
            and parcel of conditioning
            rather than imparted by our
            "Holy Spirit" encounter(s).

            > Above the fray (in a way), but not
            > above stubbing a toe on a bedpost
            > during a night-time sojourn...
            > and spouting a burst of profanity.
            >
            bcnu around, Jeff!

            >
            >
            >
            >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
            >>
            >>> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
            >>> <editor@> wrote:
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>> Jeff Belyea wrote:
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>>> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
            >>>>> <editor@> wrote:
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>>>> Jeff Belyea wrote:
            >>>>>>
            >>>>>>
            >>>>>>
            >>>>>>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
            >>>>>>> response to Era's post about
            >>>>>>> "knowing God"...
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>> Here's my "little bit of this,
            >>>>>>> little bit of that" from my dance:
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>> >From The Old Testament
            >>>>>>> (repeated in the New One
            >>>>>>> and reference several times
            >>>>>>> as "having come to pass"):
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>> "Behold, the days come,
            >>>>>>> saith the LORD, that I
            >>>>>>> will make a a new covenant...
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>> I will put my law in their
            >>>>>>> inward parts, and write it in
            >>>>>>> their hearts; ...
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>> they shall all know me."
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>> So, if the wise say that
            >>>>>>> they know that God is
            >>>>>>> unknowable, they err. And
            >>>>>>> they are wise in their
            >>>>>>> own mind - which is
            >>>>>>> incidently the major block
            >>>>>>> to enlightenment.
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>> Enlightenment IS coming
            >>>>>>> into the knowledgable
            >>>>>>> presence of God..
            >>>>>>> as promised.
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>> I know God.
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>> Formally introduced
            >>>>>>> July 21, many years ago,
            >>>>>>> at about 9:30am.
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>> And we continue to
            >>>>>>> stay in touch.
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>> Call me ignorant if
            >>>>>>> you must. God knows.
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>>>
            >>>>>> I see you as not "ignorant,"
            >>>>>> but perhaps playing somewhat
            >>>>>> fast and loose with the word
            >>>>>> "knowledge," which essentially
            >>>>>> means "stored information."
            >>>>>>
            >>>>>> As an illustration, can you
            >>>>>> tell me what it is you "know"
            >>>>>> of this "God?"
            >>>>>>
            >>>>>>
            >>>>>>
            >>>>>>
            >>>>> It is the inadequacy of words
            >>>>> to explain the fuller meaning
            >>>>> of "Knowledge" in the context
            >>>>> of my earlier post that makes it
            >>>>> seem as a fast and loose dance.
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>> True.
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>>> Knowledge becomes secondary stored
            >>>>> information when it enters
            >>>>> the necessarily dualistic world
            >>>>> of mental reflection and any
            >>>>> attempt at "telling".
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>> True.
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>>> God can be Known, but God
            >>>>> cannot be explained in words;
            >>>>> only Known by direct experience...
            >>>>> which, to be redundant, is
            >>>>> beyond words.
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>> Iow, "unknowable" -- and
            >>>> capitalizing that "K"
            >>>> doesn't change that fact.
            >>>>
            >>>> Please consider that
            >>>> fortunate "realized" folks
            >>>> still have the failings of
            >>>> incarnate life to deal with.
            >>>> Religious conditioning is
            >>>> especially problematic and
            >>>> can easily lead to mistaking
            >>>> the ecstatic response of our
            >>>> personal meat puppets to the
            >>>> unknowable (aka "Holy
            >>>> Spirit") with "knowing God"
            >>>> or some such -- our heads
            >>>> are full of old scripture
            >>>> vouchsafing this knowledge
            >>>> to us, so in the aftermoment
            >>>> ego "backfills" the miracle
            >>>> of realization with that
            >>>> stuff and we are quite prone
            >>>> to claiming that we now
            >>>> "know God." It sure sounds
            >>>> good from the pulpit too!
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>>> Thanks, Bruce. Always
            >>>>> enjoy your perspective.
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>> Right back atcha, Jeff!
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>>> Jeff
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>>>
            >>>> Much love -- Bruce
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>> Interesting syntax -
            >>> ego backfilling vs new
            >>> enlightened understanding
            >>> of scripture. There would
            >>> be more of a case for the
            >>> headroom filled with
            >>> scripture that is used
            >>> by the ego to backfill,
            >>> if the backfilling were
            >>> model specific (the home
            >>> of the fundamentalist),
            >>> but when the knowledge
            >>> with a capital K (a literary
            >>> and graphic design convention,
            >>> I know) reveals a core
            >>> understanding in all
            >>> spiritual traditions
            >>> (the mystical path),
            >>> the case is less
            >>> convincing.
            >>>
            >>> The meat puppets who
            >>> think morph into meat
            >>> puppets who have a
            >>> pseudo-spiritual experience?
            >>>
            >>> Cosmic, man.
            >>>
            >>> I'll take theist language,
            >>> thanks. Sure sounds better
            >>> from the pulpit - especially
            >>> when it comes from the
            >>> mystic heart of Knowledge.
            >>>
            >>> Thanks,
            >>>
            >>> Cosmic Man
            >>>
            >>> PS: Just had flashback
            >>> to the punch and Judy days.
            >>>
            >>>
          • sean tremblay
            Gods favorite color is Blue God is a people person God likes water, sunshine and the outdoors God loves astronomy I m not sure what Gods musical preference is
            Message 5 of 13 , Jan 18, 2008
              Gods favorite color is Blue
              God is a people person
              God likes water,
               sunshine
              and the outdoors
              God loves astronomy
              I'm not sure what Gods musical preference is
              God looks nothing like Gorge Burns
              But I'm sure God would enjoy a good cigar(who doesnt)
              Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
              Jeff Belyea wrote:
              > In response to Bob and Bruce's
              > response to Era's post about
              > "knowing God"...
              >
              > Here's my "little bit of this,
              > little bit of that" from my dance:
              >
              > >From The Old Testament
              > (repeated in the New One
              > and reference several times
              > as "having come to pass"):
              >
              > "Behold, the days come,
              > saith the LORD, that I
              > will make a a new covenant...
              >
              > I will put my law in their
              > inward parts, and write it in
              > their hearts; ...
              >
              > they shall all know me."
              >
              > So, if the wise say that
              > they know that God is
              > unknowable, they err. And
              > they are wise in their
              > own mind - which is
              > incidently the major block
              > to enlightenment.
              >
              > Enlightenment IS coming
              > into the knowledgable
              > presence of God..
              > as promised.
              >
              > I know God.
              >
              > Formally introduced
              > July 21, many years ago,
              > at about 9:30am.
              >
              > And we continue to
              > stay in touch.
              >
              > Call me ignorant if
              > you must. God knows.
              >
              I see you as not "ignorant,"
              but perhaps playing somewhat
              fast and loose with the word
              "knowledge," which essentially
              means "stored information. "

              As an illustration, can you
              tell me what it is you "know"
              of this "God?"



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            • Jeff Belyea
              God s musical preference is the harp...not the wimpy harp, but more of the Blues Travelers lung-rippin harp.
              Message 6 of 13 , Jan 18, 2008
                God's musical preference
                is the harp...not the wimpy
                harp, but more of the Blues
                Travelers lung-rippin' harp.


                --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                >
                > Gods favorite color is Blue
                > God is a people person
                > God likes water,
                > sunshine
                > and the outdoors
                > God loves astronomy
                > I'm not sure what Gods musical preference is
                > God looks nothing like Gorge Burns
                > But I'm sure God would enjoy a good cigar(who doesnt)
                > Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
                > Jeff Belyea wrote:
                > > In response to Bob and Bruce's
                > > response to Era's post about
                > > "knowing God"...
                > >
                > > Here's my "little bit of this,
                > > little bit of that" from my dance:
                > >
                > > >From The Old Testament
                > > (repeated in the New One
                > > and reference several times
                > > as "having come to pass"):
                > >
                > > "Behold, the days come,
                > > saith the LORD, that I
                > > will make a a new covenant...
                > >
                > > I will put my law in their
                > > inward parts, and write it in
                > > their hearts; ...
                > >
                > > they shall all know me."
                > >
                > > So, if the wise say that
                > > they know that God is
                > > unknowable, they err. And
                > > they are wise in their
                > > own mind - which is
                > > incidently the major block
                > > to enlightenment.
                > >
                > > Enlightenment IS coming
                > > into the knowledgable
                > > presence of God..
                > > as promised.
                > >
                > > I know God.
                > >
                > > Formally introduced
                > > July 21, many years ago,
                > > at about 9:30am.
                > >
                > > And we continue to
                > > stay in touch.
                > >
                > > Call me ignorant if
                > > you must. God knows.
                > >
                > I see you as not "ignorant,"
                > but perhaps playing somewhat
                > fast and loose with the word
                > "knowledge," which essentially
                > means "stored information."
                >
                > As an illustration, can you
                > tell me what it is you "know"
                > of this "God?"
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ---------------------------------
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                >
              • Bruce Morgen
                nuff said....
                Message 7 of 13 , Jan 18, 2008
                  <http://youtube.com/watch?v=OmC4SJ42Z-s>

                  'nuff said....


                  Jeff Belyea wrote:
                  > God's musical preference
                  > is the harp...not the wimpy
                  > harp, but more of the Blues
                  > Travelers lung-rippin' harp.
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                  > <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >> Gods favorite color is Blue
                  >> God is a people person
                  >> God likes water,
                  >> sunshine
                  >> and the outdoors
                  >> God loves astronomy
                  >> I'm not sure what Gods musical preference is
                  >> God looks nothing like Gorge Burns
                  >> But I'm sure God would enjoy a good cigar(who doesnt)
                  >> Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
                  >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
                  >>
                  >>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
                  >>> response to Era's post about
                  >>> "knowing God"...
                  >>>
                  >>> Here's my "little bit of this,
                  >>> little bit of that" from my dance:
                  >>>
                  >>> >From The Old Testament
                  >>> (repeated in the New One
                  >>> and reference several times
                  >>> as "having come to pass"):
                  >>>
                  >>> "Behold, the days come,
                  >>> saith the LORD, that I
                  >>> will make a a new covenant...
                  >>>
                  >>> I will put my law in their
                  >>> inward parts, and write it in
                  >>> their hearts; ...
                  >>>
                  >>> they shall all know me."
                  >>>
                  >>> So, if the wise say that
                  >>> they know that God is
                  >>> unknowable, they err. And
                  >>> they are wise in their
                  >>> own mind - which is
                  >>> incidently the major block
                  >>> to enlightenment.
                  >>>
                  >>> Enlightenment IS coming
                  >>> into the knowledgable
                  >>> presence of God..
                  >>> as promised.
                  >>>
                  >>> I know God.
                  >>>
                  >>> Formally introduced
                  >>> July 21, many years ago,
                  >>> at about 9:30am.
                  >>>
                  >>> And we continue to
                  >>> stay in touch.
                  >>>
                  >>> Call me ignorant if
                  >>> you must. God knows.
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >> I see you as not "ignorant,"
                  >> but perhaps playing somewhat
                  >> fast and loose with the word
                  >> "knowledge," which essentially
                  >> means "stored information."
                  >>
                  >> As an illustration, can you
                  >> tell me what it is you "know"
                  >> of this "God?"
                  >>
                • Jeff Belyea
                  heavenly
                  Message 8 of 13 , Jan 18, 2008
                    heavenly

                    --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
                    <editor@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > <http://youtube.com/watch?v=OmC4SJ42Z-s>
                    >
                    > 'nuff said....
                    >
                    >
                    > Jeff Belyea wrote:
                    > > God's musical preference
                    > > is the harp...not the wimpy
                    > > harp, but more of the Blues
                    > > Travelers lung-rippin' harp.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                    > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > >> Gods favorite color is Blue
                    > >> God is a people person
                    > >> God likes water,
                    > >> sunshine
                    > >> and the outdoors
                    > >> God loves astronomy
                    > >> I'm not sure what Gods musical preference is
                    > >> God looks nothing like Gorge Burns
                    > >> But I'm sure God would enjoy a good cigar(who doesnt)
                    > >> Bruce Morgen <editor@> wrote:
                    > >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
                    > >>
                    > >>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
                    > >>> response to Era's post about
                    > >>> "knowing God"...
                    > >>>
                    > >>> Here's my "little bit of this,
                    > >>> little bit of that" from my dance:
                    > >>>
                    > >>> >From The Old Testament
                    > >>> (repeated in the New One
                    > >>> and reference several times
                    > >>> as "having come to pass"):
                    > >>>
                    > >>> "Behold, the days come,
                    > >>> saith the LORD, that I
                    > >>> will make a a new covenant...
                    > >>>
                    > >>> I will put my law in their
                    > >>> inward parts, and write it in
                    > >>> their hearts; ...
                    > >>>
                    > >>> they shall all know me."
                    > >>>
                    > >>> So, if the wise say that
                    > >>> they know that God is
                    > >>> unknowable, they err. And
                    > >>> they are wise in their
                    > >>> own mind - which is
                    > >>> incidently the major block
                    > >>> to enlightenment.
                    > >>>
                    > >>> Enlightenment IS coming
                    > >>> into the knowledgable
                    > >>> presence of God..
                    > >>> as promised.
                    > >>>
                    > >>> I know God.
                    > >>>
                    > >>> Formally introduced
                    > >>> July 21, many years ago,
                    > >>> at about 9:30am.
                    > >>>
                    > >>> And we continue to
                    > >>> stay in touch.
                    > >>>
                    > >>> Call me ignorant if
                    > >>> you must. God knows.
                    > >>>
                    > >>>
                    > >> I see you as not "ignorant,"
                    > >> but perhaps playing somewhat
                    > >> fast and loose with the word
                    > >> "knowledge," which essentially
                    > >> means "stored information."
                    > >>
                    > >> As an illustration, can you
                    > >> tell me what it is you "know"
                    > >> of this "God?"
                    > >>
                    >
                  • Aideen McKenna
                    Oh thank you – that video made my week! _____ From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                    Message 9 of 13 , Jan 18, 2008

                      Oh thank you – that video made my week!

                       


                      From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruce Morgen
                      Sent: January 18, 2008 10:30 AM
                      To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] Mambo #5 with God

                       

                      <http://youtube. com/watch? v=OmC4SJ42Z- s>

                      'nuff said....

                      Jeff Belyea wrote:

                      > God's musical preference
                      > is the harp...not the wimpy
                      > harp, but more of the Blues
                      > Travelers lung-rippin' harp.
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                      sean tremblay
                      > <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
                      >
                      >> Gods favorite color is Blue
                      >> God is a people person
                      >> God likes water,
                      >> sunshine
                      >> and the outdoors
                      >> God loves astronomy
                      >> I'm not sure what Gods musical preference is
                      >> God looks nothing like Gorge Burns
                      >> But I'm sure God would enjoy a good cigar(who doesnt)
                      >> Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
                      >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
                      >>
                      >>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
                      >>> response to Era's post about
                      >>> "knowing God"...
                      >>>
                      >>> Here's my "little bit of this,
                      >>> little bit of that" from my dance:
                      >>>
                      >>> >From The Old Testament
                      >>> (repeated in the New One
                      >>> and reference several times
                      >>> as "having come to pass"):
                      >>>
                      >>> "Behold, the days come,
                      >>> saith the LORD, that I
                      >>> will make a a new covenant...
                      >>>
                      >>> I will put my law in their
                      >>> inward parts, and write it in
                      >>> their hearts; ...
                      >>>
                      >>> they shall all know me."
                      >>>
                      >>> So, if the wise say that
                      >>> they know that God is
                      >>> unknowable, they err. And
                      >>> they are wise in their
                      >>> own mind - which is
                      >>> incidently the major block
                      >>> to enlightenment.
                      >>>
                      >>> Enlightenment IS coming
                      >>> into the knowledgable
                      >>> presence of God..
                      >>> as promised.
                      >>>
                      >>> I know God.
                      >>>
                      >>> Formally introduced
                      >>> July 21, many years ago,
                      >>> at about 9:30am.
                      >>>
                      >>> And we continue to
                      >>> stay in touch.
                      >>>
                      >>> Call me ignorant if
                      >>> you must. God knows.
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >> I see you as not "ignorant,"
                      >> but perhaps playing somewhat
                      >> fast and loose with the word
                      >> "knowledge," which essentially
                      >> means "stored information. "
                      >>
                      >> As an illustration, can you
                      >> tell me what it is you "know"
                      >> of this "God?"
                      >>


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