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  • Gwyn Plaine
    The Gita, even in sanskrit, isn t the most accessible book on meditative method, although it is one of the most comprehensive treatises on good living...a
    Message 1 of 18 , Dec 7, 2007
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      The Gita, even in sanskrit, isn't the most accessible book on meditative method, although it is one of the most comprehensive treatises on 'good' living...a form of meta text from which most other religions seem to be a dim, overly complex, reflection... I quite like The Gita As It Was: Rediscovering the Original Bhagavadgita by Phulgenda Sinha since it removes a lot of the late Bhraman accretions. Deepak Chopra's 'Sacred Verses, Healing Sounds' audio book is a very good 'intro' to the Gita... but to plunge a newbie to mysticism into the Gita is a bit like throwing a babe into a shark pool... it's not that friendly or useful...  one to avoid is Bhagavad-Gita As It Is: by AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, IMO since the text is swamped by (heavily biased) commentary. Yogananda's two volume commentary is good, but Yoganada was a poet in his own right... and you feel that he had less of an axe to grind than Prabhupada, being more concerned with the original intent of the late Gita...

      On Dec 8, 2007 1:27 AM, medit8ionsociety < no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Gwyn Plaine"
      <gplaine@...> wrote:
      >
      > So, the Gita?
      >
      Quite possibly the Gita is "best" of the best
      (along with The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali).
      My favorite translation and commentary
      will be found in this version:
      The Living Gita; The Complete Bhagavad Gita
      Author: Sri Swami Satchidananda
      Many other "Best" books can be found on our
      Suggested Reading list:
      http://www.meditationsociety.com/reading.html
      Also, one of the best recent NonDuality books is:
      Essential Writings on Nonduality
      ONE
      Edited by Jerry Katz
      and I would include one of the truly classic
      treasures to be:
      I AM THAT,
      Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

      But...I really think that there is no book
      that can do as much for your understanding of
      meditation and help your evolution in
      consciousness as actually meditating.
      Peace and blessings,
      Bob



      > On Dec 7, 2007 2:54 PM, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
      wrote:
      >
      > > One of the most common emails the
      > > Meditation Society of America gets
      > > asks for advice on which books are
      > > the best dealing with meditation.
      > > We had several this week and also
      > > received an email from the Divya
      > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
      > > one answer to this question. We'll
      > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
      > >
      > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
      > > reflace about how God created this
      > > universe everything else seems so superfluous."
      > > Albert Einstein
      > >
      > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
      > > dedicate body, mind and soul
      > > to pure duty and not to become mental
      > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
      > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
      > > Mahatma Gandhiji
      > >
      > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
      > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
      > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
      > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
      > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
      > > India but to all of humanity."
      > > Aldous Huxley
      > >
      > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
      > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
      > > with a new message for every age and a
      > > new meaning for every civilization."
      > > Sri Aurobindo
      > >
      > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
      > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
      > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
      > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
      > > Henry David Thoreau
      > >
      > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
      > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
      > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
      > > Herman Hesse
      > >
      > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
      > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
      > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
      > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
      > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
      > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
      > >
      > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
      > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
      > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
      > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
      > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
      > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
      > > questions which exercise us."
      > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
      > >
      > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
      > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
      > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
      > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
      > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
      > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
      > >
      > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
      > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
      > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
      > > Rudolph Steiner
      > >
      > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
      > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
      > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
      > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
      > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
      > > think that they are advised to engage in
      > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
      > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
      > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
      > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
      > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
      > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
      > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
      > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
      > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
      > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
      > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
      > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
      > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
      > >
      > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
      > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
      > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita."
      > > Swami Vivekananda
      > >
      > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
      > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
      > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
      > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
      > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
      > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
      > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
      > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
      > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
      > > Sri Ramanuja
      > >
      > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
      > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
      > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
      > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
      > >
      > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
      > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
      > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
      > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
      > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
      > > who meditate on the Gita will
      > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
      > > Mahatma Gandhiji
      > >
      > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
      > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
      > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
      > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
      > > Adi Sankara
      > >
      > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
      > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
      > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -
      > > Swami Vivekananda
      > >
      > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
      > > His devotee Arjuna."
      > > Paramahansa Yogananda
      > >
      > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
      > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
      > > which is manifested by actions."
      > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >


    • sean tremblay
      It s been a while since I have read it, But I started browsing through it again since it sits on my shelf and is a part of my wife s required reading for her
      Message 2 of 18 , Dec 8, 2007
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        It's been a while since I have read it, But I started browsing through it again since it sits on my shelf and is a part of my wife's required reading for her yoga training.  I would have to agree with Gwyn that it seems at least on surface to be a work more concerned with behavior than spirituality or meditation but I didn't get down to the gnats ass of it.  When I first read it I think I was looking at it from a historical or anthropological view a curiosity such as reading the Epic of Gilgamesh or the Icelandic chronicles and I considered it interesting from that point.  As an American and as a bit of an Anarchist in spirit I found the concepts of total abandonment of self to one duty or station in life to be a hard pill to swallow especial;y since I am a strong believer in the individuals choice for "Good" works especially when it come to making the choice for or against WAR, Violence, Killing ect...Or how we define the way in which we operate in this world IE what our calling is and how we choose to fulfill it. So when Krishna and Arjuna are poised and ready at the battle field and Arjuna expresses his doubt I can't help but think of Pakistan and India poised on the border of Kashmir both parties brandishing the Nuke option One side believing in Karmic predestination The other  in Gods righteous fury and quite frankly that scares the Bjesus outta me.  I might be reading it wrong but as a piece of literature I still enjoyed as a portal into the mind of an ancient
         culture

        medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
        --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Gwyn Plaine"
        <gplaine@... > wrote:
        >
        > So, the Gita?
        >
        Quite possibly the Gita is "best" of the best
        (along with The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali).
        My favorite translation and commentary
        will be found in this version:
        The Living Gita; The Complete Bhagavad Gita
        Author: Sri Swami Satchidananda
        Many other "Best" books can be found on our
        Suggested Reading list:
        http://www.meditati onsociety. com/reading. html
        Also, one of the best recent NonDuality books is:
        Essential Writings on Nonduality
        ONE
        Edited by Jerry Katz
        and I would include one of the truly classic
        treasures to be:
        I AM THAT,
        Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

        But...I really think that there is no book
        that can do as much for your understanding of
        meditation and help your evolution in
        consciousness as actually meditating.
        Peace and blessings,
        Bob

        > On Dec 7, 2007 2:54 PM, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
        wrote:
        >
        > > One of the most common emails the
        > > Meditation Society of America gets
        > > asks for advice on which books are
        > > the best dealing with meditation.
        > > We had several this week and also
        > > received an email from the Divya
        > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
        > > one answer to this question. We'll
        > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
        > >
        > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
        > > reflace about how God created this
        > > universe everything else seems so superfluous. "
        > > Albert Einstein
        > >
        > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
        > > dedicate body, mind and soul
        > > to pure duty and not to become mental
        > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
        > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
        > > Mahatma Gandhiji
        > >
        > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
        > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
        > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
        > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
        > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
        > > India but to all of humanity."
        > > Aldous Huxley
        > >
        > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
        > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
        > > with a new message for every age and a
        > > new meaning for every civilization. "
        > > Sri Aurobindo
        > >
        > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
        > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
        > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
        > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
        > > Henry David Thoreau
        > >
        > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
        > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
        > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
        > > Herman Hesse
        > >
        > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
        > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
        > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
        > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
        > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
        > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
        > >
        > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
        > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
        > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
        > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
        > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
        > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
        > > questions which exercise us."
        > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
        > >
        > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
        > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
        > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
        > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
        > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
        > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
        > >
        > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
        > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
        > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
        > > Rudolph Steiner
        > >
        > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
        > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
        > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
        > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
        > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
        > > think that they are advised to engage in
        > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
        > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
        > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
        > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
        > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
        > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
        > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
        > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
        > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
        > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
        > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
        > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
        > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
        > >
        > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
        > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
        > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. "
        > > Swami Vivekananda
        > >
        > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
        > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
        > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
        > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
        > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
        > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
        > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
        > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
        > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
        > > Sri Ramanuja
        > >
        > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
        > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
        > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
        > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
        > >
        > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
        > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
        > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
        > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
        > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
        > > who meditate on the Gita will
        > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
        > > Mahatma Gandhiji
        > >
        > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
        > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
        > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
        > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
        > > Adi Sankara
        > >
        > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
        > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
        > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. " -
        > > Swami Vivekananda
        > >
        > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
        > > His devotee Arjuna."
        > > Paramahansa Yogananda
        > >
        > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
        > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
        > > which is manifested by actions."
        > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >



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      • medit8ionsociety
        ... through it again since it sits on my shelf and is a part of my wife s required reading for her yoga training. I would have to agree with Gwyn that it
        Message 3 of 18 , Dec 8, 2007
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          sean tremblay <bethjams9@...> wrote:
          >
          > It's been a while since I have read it, But I started browsing
          through it again since it sits on my shelf and is a part of my wife's
          required reading for her yoga training. I would have to agree with
          Gwyn that it seems at least on surface to be a work more concerned
          with behavior than spirituality or meditation ...

          snip below

          The deal here is that many translations are very
          hard for Americans to "get". That's one main reason
          why I point to Swami Satchidananda's translation. His
          Americanized English is pretty clear. One aspect of this
          "war story" is that it can be seen to be pointing to the
          enemy that is within our mind...greed, hate, anger,
          jealousy, etc and that's what we really need to fight.
          Raja Yoga is the Yoga of Meditation and it has 8 steps.
          Here's the Wikipedia take on them.
          The eight limbs of Ashtanga (Raja) Yoga are:

          * Yama - Code of conduct - self-restraint
          * Niyama - religious observances - commitments
          to practice, such as study and devotion
          * Āsana - integration of mind and body
          through physical activity
          * Pranayama - regulation of breath leading
          to integration of mind and body
          * Pratyahara - abstraction of the senses,
          withdrawal of the senses of perception from their objects
          * Dharana - concentration, one-pointedness of mind
          * Dhyana - meditation (quiet activity that
          leads to samadhi)
          * Samadhi - the quiet state of blissful
          awareness, superconscious state

          As you can see, meditation has 6 steps before it can
          take place. Even just being able to concentrate will
          not happen without self-restraint, study, control of
          the mind and senses, etc. So if seen as a course in
          getting enough self control to meditate,the Gita is
          quite a guidebook.Everyone has something that is the
          main way that they become distracted when meditating.
          For some it can be their emotions, others their bodily
          reactivity, and many their mind chatter. That's the war
          that we need to wage. And seeing Krishna as the Divine
          identity within us and Arjuna as our "normal" mind/ego,
          the Gita and its directions on how life should be faced
          will well take us to where we must be for meditation to
          flow us into Samadhi.
          And in any event, it's a bit better than any Rambo movie
          if war stories are your thing.
          Peace and blessings,
          Bob


          but I didn't get down to the gnats ass of it. When I first read it I
          think I was looking at it from a historical or anthropological view a
          curiosity such as reading the Epic of Gilgamesh or the Icelandic
          chronicles and I considered it interesting from that point. As an
          American and as a bit of an Anarchist in spirit I found the concepts
          of total abandonment of self to one duty or station in life to be a
          hard pill to swallow especial;y since I am a strong believer in the
          individuals choice for "Good" works especially when it come to making
          the choice for or against WAR, Violence, Killing ect...Or how we
          define the way in which we operate in this world IE what our
          > calling is and how we choose to fulfill it. So when Krishna and
          Arjuna are poised and ready at the battle field and Arjuna expresses
          his doubt I can't help but think of Pakistan and India poised on the
          border of Kashmir both parties brandishing the Nuke option One side
          believing in Karmic predestination The other in Gods righteous fury
          and quite frankly that scares the Bjesus outta me. I might be reading
          it wrong but as a piece of literature I still enjoyed as a portal into
          the mind of an ancient
          > culture
          >
          > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
          > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Gwyn
          Plaine"
          > <gplaine@> wrote:
          > >
          > > So, the Gita?
          > >
          > Quite possibly the Gita is "best" of the best
          > (along with The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali).
          > My favorite translation and commentary
          > will be found in this version:
          > The Living Gita; The Complete Bhagavad Gita
          > Author: Sri Swami Satchidananda
          > Many other "Best" books can be found on our
          > Suggested Reading list:
          > http://www.meditationsociety.com/reading.html
          > Also, one of the best recent NonDuality books is:
          > Essential Writings on Nonduality
          > ONE
          > Edited by Jerry Katz
          > and I would include one of the truly classic
          > treasures to be:
          > I AM THAT,
          > Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
          >
          > But...I really think that there is no book
          > that can do as much for your understanding of
          > meditation and help your evolution in
          > consciousness as actually meditating.
          > Peace and blessings,
          > Bob
          >
          > > On Dec 7, 2007 2:54 PM, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
          > wrote:
          > >
          > > > One of the most common emails the
          > > > Meditation Society of America gets
          > > > asks for advice on which books are
          > > > the best dealing with meditation.
          > > > We had several this week and also
          > > > received an email from the Divya
          > > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
          > > > one answer to this question. We'll
          > > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
          > > >
          > > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
          > > > reflace about how God created this
          > > > universe everything else seems so superfluous."
          > > > Albert Einstein
          > > >
          > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
          > > > dedicate body, mind and soul
          > > > to pure duty and not to become mental
          > > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
          > > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
          > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
          > > >
          > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
          > > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
          > > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
          > > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
          > > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
          > > > India but to all of humanity."
          > > > Aldous Huxley
          > > >
          > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
          > > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
          > > > with a new message for every age and a
          > > > new meaning for every civilization."
          > > > Sri Aurobindo
          > > >
          > > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
          > > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
          > > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
          > > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
          > > > Henry David Thoreau
          > > >
          > > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
          > > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
          > > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
          > > > Herman Hesse
          > > >
          > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
          > > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
          > > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
          > > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
          > > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
          > > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
          > > >
          > > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
          > > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
          > > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
          > > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
          > > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
          > > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
          > > > questions which exercise us."
          > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
          > > >
          > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
          > > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
          > > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
          > > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
          > > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
          > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
          > > >
          > > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
          > > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
          > > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
          > > > Rudolph Steiner
          > > >
          > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
          > > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
          > > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
          > > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
          > > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
          > > > think that they are advised to engage in
          > > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
          > > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
          > > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
          > > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
          > > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
          > > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
          > > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
          > > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
          > > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
          > > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
          > > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
          > > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
          > > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
          > > >
          > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
          > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
          > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita."
          > > > Swami Vivekananda
          > > >
          > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
          > > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
          > > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
          > > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
          > > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
          > > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
          > > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
          > > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
          > > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
          > > > Sri Ramanuja
          > > >
          > > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
          > > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
          > > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
          > > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
          > > >
          > > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
          > > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
          > > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
          > > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
          > > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
          > > > who meditate on the Gita will
          > > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
          > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
          > > >
          > > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
          > > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
          > > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
          > > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
          > > > Adi Sankara
          > > >
          > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
          > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
          > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -
          > > > Swami Vivekananda
          > > >
          > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
          > > > His devotee Arjuna."
          > > > Paramahansa Yogananda
          > > >
          > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
          > > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
          > > > which is manifested by actions."
          > > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
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        • sean tremblay
          Bob, Thanks for that. I think Getting it is the biggest hurdle when we work with resources outside of our normal cultural context and I do believe I was not
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            Bob,
            Thanks for that. I think "Getting it" is the biggest hurdle when we work with resources outside of our normal cultural context and I do believe I was not getting it for it's deeper meaning but I admit I didn't sit on it much either and in the context you have outlined I should give it a second look, it's funny that it was brought up because it keeps appearing on my coffee table when I have nothing to do.

            medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
            sean tremblay <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
            >
            > It's been a while since I have read it, But I started browsing
            through it again since it sits on my shelf and is a part of my wife's
            required reading for her yoga training. I would have to agree with
            Gwyn that it seems at least on surface to be a work more concerned
            with behavior than spirituality or meditation ...

            snip below

            The deal here is that many translations are very
            hard for Americans to "get". That's one main reason
            why I point to Swami Satchidananda' s translation. His
            Americanized English is pretty clear. One aspect of this
            "war story" is that it can be seen to be pointing to the
            enemy that is within our mind...greed, hate, anger,
            jealousy, etc and that's what we really need to fight.
            Raja Yoga is the Yoga of Meditation and it has 8 steps.
            Here's the Wikipedia take on them.
            The eight limbs of Ashtanga (Raja) Yoga are:

            * Yama - Code of conduct - self-restraint
            * Niyama - religious observances - commitments
            to practice, such as study and devotion
            * &#256;sana - integration of mind and body
            through physical activity
            * Pranayama - regulation of breath leading
            to integration of mind and body
            * Pratyahara - abstraction of the senses,
            withdrawal of the senses of perception from their objects
            * Dharana - concentration, one-pointedness of mind
            * Dhyana - meditation (quiet activity that
            leads to samadhi)
            * Samadhi - the quiet state of blissful
            awareness, superconscious state

            As you can see, meditation has 6 steps before it can
            take place. Even just being able to concentrate will
            not happen without self-restraint, study, control of
            the mind and senses, etc. So if seen as a course in
            getting enough self control to meditate,the Gita is
            quite a guidebook.Everyone has something that is the
            main way that they become distracted when meditating.
            For some it can be their emotions, others their bodily
            reactivity, and many their mind chatter. That's the war
            that we need to wage. And seeing Krishna as the Divine
            identity within us and Arjuna as our "normal" mind/ego,
            the Gita and its directions on how life should be faced
            will well take us to where we must be for meditation to
            flow us into Samadhi.
            And in any event, it's a bit better than any Rambo movie
            if war stories are your thing.
            Peace and blessings,
            Bob

            but I didn't get down to the gnats ass of it. When I first read it I
            think I was looking at it from a historical or anthropological view a
            curiosity such as reading the Epic of Gilgamesh or the Icelandic
            chronicles and I considered it interesting from that point. As an
            American and as a bit of an Anarchist in spirit I found the concepts
            of total abandonment of self to one duty or station in life to be a
            hard pill to swallow especial;y since I am a strong believer in the
            individuals choice for "Good" works especially when it come to making
            the choice for or against WAR, Violence, Killing ect...Or how we
            define the way in which we operate in this world IE what our
            > calling is and how we choose to fulfill it. So when Krishna and
            Arjuna are poised and ready at the battle field and Arjuna expresses
            his doubt I can't help but think of Pakistan and India poised on the
            border of Kashmir both parties brandishing the Nuke option One side
            believing in Karmic predestination The other in Gods righteous fury
            and quite frankly that scares the Bjesus outta me. I might be reading
            it wrong but as a piece of literature I still enjoyed as a portal into
            the mind of an ancient
            > culture
            >
            > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> wrote:
            > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Gwyn
            Plaine"
            > <gplaine@> wrote:
            > >
            > > So, the Gita?
            > >
            > Quite possibly the Gita is "best" of the best
            > (along with The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali).
            > My favorite translation and commentary
            > will be found in this version:
            > The Living Gita; The Complete Bhagavad Gita
            > Author: Sri Swami Satchidananda
            > Many other "Best" books can be found on our
            > Suggested Reading list:
            > http://www.meditati onsociety. com/reading. html
            > Also, one of the best recent NonDuality books is:
            > Essential Writings on Nonduality
            > ONE
            > Edited by Jerry Katz
            > and I would include one of the truly classic
            > treasures to be:
            > I AM THAT,
            > Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
            >
            > But...I really think that there is no book
            > that can do as much for your understanding of
            > meditation and help your evolution in
            > consciousness as actually meditating.
            > Peace and blessings,
            > Bob
            >
            > > On Dec 7, 2007 2:54 PM, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
            > wrote:
            > >
            > > > One of the most common emails the
            > > > Meditation Society of America gets
            > > > asks for advice on which books are
            > > > the best dealing with meditation.
            > > > We had several this week and also
            > > > received an email from the Divya
            > > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
            > > > one answer to this question. We'll
            > > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
            > > >
            > > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
            > > > reflace about how God created this
            > > > universe everything else seems so superfluous. "
            > > > Albert Einstein
            > > >
            > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
            > > > dedicate body, mind and soul
            > > > to pure duty and not to become mental
            > > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
            > > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
            > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
            > > >
            > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
            > > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
            > > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
            > > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
            > > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
            > > > India but to all of humanity."
            > > > Aldous Huxley
            > > >
            > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
            > > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
            > > > with a new message for every age and a
            > > > new meaning for every civilization. "
            > > > Sri Aurobindo
            > > >
            > > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
            > > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
            > > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
            > > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
            > > > Henry David Thoreau
            > > >
            > > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
            > > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
            > > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
            > > > Herman Hesse
            > > >
            > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
            > > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
            > > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
            > > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
            > > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
            > > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
            > > >
            > > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
            > > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
            > > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
            > > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
            > > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
            > > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
            > > > questions which exercise us."
            > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
            > > >
            > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
            > > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
            > > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
            > > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
            > > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
            > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
            > > >
            > > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
            > > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
            > > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
            > > > Rudolph Steiner
            > > >
            > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
            > > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
            > > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
            > > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
            > > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
            > > > think that they are advised to engage in
            > > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
            > > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
            > > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
            > > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
            > > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
            > > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
            > > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
            > > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
            > > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
            > > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
            > > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
            > > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
            > > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
            > > >
            > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
            > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
            > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. "
            > > > Swami Vivekananda
            > > >
            > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
            > > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
            > > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
            > > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
            > > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
            > > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
            > > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
            > > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
            > > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
            > > > Sri Ramanuja
            > > >
            > > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
            > > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
            > > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
            > > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
            > > >
            > > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
            > > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
            > > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
            > > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
            > > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
            > > > who meditate on the Gita will
            > > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
            > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
            > > >
            > > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
            > > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
            > > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
            > > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
            > > > Adi Sankara
            > > >
            > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
            > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
            > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. " -
            > > > Swami Vivekananda
            > > >
            > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
            > > > His devotee Arjuna."
            > > > Paramahansa Yogananda
            > > >
            > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
            > > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
            > > > which is manifested by actions."
            > > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            >
            >
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            >
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          • Gwyn Plaine
            The issue for me is, if it requires that level of exegesis even to a Vedic, then I d say is while it may be a good and comprehensive allegory on the meditative
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              The issue for me is, if it requires that level of exegesis even to a Vedic, then I'd say is while it may be a good and comprehensive allegory on the meditative practice, (and I don't think anyone who's studied the field is disagreeing that) it's not 'the best' simply due to the level of opaqueness in the narrative. It is far from a 'how to' on meditation. Yogananda managed to run it to two pretty encyclopaedic slipcovered volumes.As to not getting it... like most religious texts there is the overt meaning, the allegorical meaning and the 'initiate' view. Having spent most of my adult life with my head in Middle Eastern, Southern Asiatic and Far Eastern religious thought, there is a lot that is critically dependent on cultural mores of the region, some that it genuinely a hidden in plain sight version, and a lot that is mental Rorschachery due to later reader's exegetical cultural lens...

              Please note, I'm not disagreeing with your point, far from it, but I am presenting a slight cautionary note to the effect there is possibly an inkblot psychology involved.

              On Dec 9, 2007 1:57 AM, sean tremblay < bethjams9@...> wrote:

              Bob,
              Thanks for that. I think "Getting it" is the biggest hurdle when we work with resources outside of our normal cultural context and I do believe I was not getting it for it's deeper meaning but I admit I didn't sit on it much either and in the context you have outlined I should give it a second look, it's funny that it was brought up because it keeps appearing on my coffee table when I have nothing to do.


              medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
              sean tremblay <bethjams9@...> wrote:
              >
              > It's been a while since I have read it, But I started browsing
              through it again since it sits on my shelf and is a part of my wife's
              required reading for her yoga training. I would have to agree with
              Gwyn that it seems at least on surface to be a work more concerned
              with behavior than spirituality or meditation ...

              snip below

              The deal here is that many translations are very
              hard for Americans to "get". That's one main reason
              why I point to Swami Satchidananda's translation. His
              Americanized English is pretty clear. One aspect of this
              "war story" is that it can be seen to be pointing to the
              enemy that is within our mind...greed, hate, anger,
              jealousy, etc and that's what we really need to fight.
              Raja Yoga is the Yoga of Meditation and it has 8 steps.
              Here's the Wikipedia take on them.
              The eight limbs of Ashtanga (Raja) Yoga are:

              * Yama - Code of conduct - self-restraint
              * Niyama - religious observances - commitments
              to practice, such as study and devotion
              * &#256;sana - integration of mind and body
              through physical activity
              * Pranayama - regulation of breath leading
              to integration of mind and body
              * Pratyahara - abstraction of the senses,
              withdrawal of the senses of perception from their objects
              * Dharana - concentration, one-pointedness of mind
              * Dhyana - meditation (quiet activity that
              leads to samadhi)
              * Samadhi - the quiet state of blissful
              awareness, superconscious state

              As you can see, meditation has 6 steps before it can
              take place. Even just being able to concentrate will
              not happen without self-restraint, study, control of
              the mind and senses, etc. So if seen as a course in
              getting enough self control to meditate,the Gita is
              quite a guidebook.Everyone has something that is the
              main way that they become distracted when meditating.
              For some it can be their emotions, others their bodily
              reactivity, and many their mind chatter. That's the war
              that we need to wage. And seeing Krishna as the Divine
              identity within us and Arjuna as our "normal" mind/ego,
              the Gita and its directions on how life should be faced
              will well take us to where we must be for meditation to
              flow us into Samadhi.
              And in any event, it's a bit better than any Rambo movie
              if war stories are your thing.
              Peace and blessings,
              Bob

              but I didn't get down to the gnats ass of it. When I first read it I
              think I was looking at it from a historical or anthropological view a
              curiosity such as reading the Epic of Gilgamesh or the Icelandic
              chronicles and I considered it interesting from that point. As an
              American and as a bit of an Anarchist in spirit I found the concepts
              of total abandonment of self to one duty or station in life to be a
              hard pill to swallow especial;y since I am a strong believer in the
              individuals choice for "Good" works especially when it come to making
              the choice for or against WAR, Violence, Killing ect...Or how we
              define the way in which we operate in this world IE what our
              > calling is and how we choose to fulfill it. So when Krishna and
              Arjuna are poised and ready at the battle field and Arjuna expresses
              his doubt I can't help but think of Pakistan and India poised on the
              border of Kashmir both parties brandishing the Nuke option One side
              believing in Karmic predestination The other in Gods righteous fury
              and quite frankly that scares the Bjesus outta me. I might be reading
              it wrong but as a piece of literature I still enjoyed as a portal into
              the mind of an ancient
              > culture
              >
              > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
              > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Gwyn
              Plaine"
              > <gplaine@> wrote:
              > >
              > > So, the Gita?
              > >
              > Quite possibly the Gita is "best" of the best
              > (along with The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali).
              > My favorite translation and commentary
              > will be found in this version:
              > The Living Gita; The Complete Bhagavad Gita
              > Author: Sri Swami Satchidananda
              > Many other "Best" books can be found on our
              > Suggested Reading list:
              > http://www.meditationsociety.com/reading.html
              > Also, one of the best recent NonDuality books is:
              > Essential Writings on Nonduality
              > ONE
              > Edited by Jerry Katz
              > and I would include one of the truly classic
              > treasures to be:
              > I AM THAT,
              > Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
              >
              > But...I really think that there is no book
              > that can do as much for your understanding of
              > meditation and help your evolution in
              > consciousness as actually meditating.
              > Peace and blessings,
              > Bob
              >
              > > On Dec 7, 2007 2:54 PM, medit8ionsociety < no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > > One of the most common emails the
              > > > Meditation Society of America gets
              > > > asks for advice on which books are
              > > > the best dealing with meditation.
              > > > We had several this week and also
              > > > received an email from the Divya
              > > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
              > > > one answer to this question. We'll
              > > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
              > > >
              > > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
              > > > reflace about how God created this
              > > > universe everything else seems so superfluous."
              > > > Albert Einstein
              > > >
              > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
              > > > dedicate body, mind and soul
              > > > to pure duty and not to become mental
              > > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
              > > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
              > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
              > > >
              > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
              > > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
              > > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
              > > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
              > > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
              > > > India but to all of humanity."
              > > > Aldous Huxley
              > > >
              > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
              > > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
              > > > with a new message for every age and a
              > > > new meaning for every civilization."
              > > > Sri Aurobindo
              > > >
              > > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
              > > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
              > > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
              > > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
              > > > Henry David Thoreau
              > > >
              > > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
              > > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
              > > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
              > > > Herman Hesse
              > > >
              > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
              > > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
              > > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
              > > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
              > > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
              > > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
              > > >
              > > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
              > > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
              > > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
              > > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
              > > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
              > > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
              > > > questions which exercise us."
              > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
              > > >
              > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
              > > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
              > > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
              > > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
              > > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
              > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
              > > >
              > > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
              > > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
              > > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
              > > > Rudolph Steiner
              > > >
              > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
              > > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
              > > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
              > > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
              > > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
              > > > think that they are advised to engage in
              > > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
              > > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
              > > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
              > > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
              > > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
              > > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
              > > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
              > > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
              > > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
              > > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
              > > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
              > > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
              > > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
              > > >
              > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
              > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
              > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita."
              > > > Swami Vivekananda
              > > >
              > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
              > > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
              > > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
              > > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
              > > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
              > > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
              > > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
              > > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
              > > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
              > > > Sri Ramanuja
              > > >
              > > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
              > > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
              > > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
              > > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
              > > >
              > > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
              > > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
              > > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
              > > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
              > > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
              > > > who meditate on the Gita will
              > > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
              > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
              > > >
              > > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
              > > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
              > > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
              > > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
              > > > Adi Sankara
              > > >
              > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
              > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
              > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -
              > > > Swami Vivekananda
              > > >
              > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
              > > > His devotee Arjuna."
              > > > Paramahansa Yogananda
              > > >
              > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
              > > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
              > > > which is manifested by actions."
              > > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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            • jogeshwarmahanta
              Has any body gone through comparative reading and practice of Magbhagvat Geeta and Patanjali s Yoga Sutras? As I find objectives of the two texts are
              Message 6 of 18 , Dec 15, 2007
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                Has any body gone through comparative reading and practice of
                Magbhagvat Geeta and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? As I find objectives
                of the two texts are diametrically opposite.

                From the practice point of view, I think, Yoga Sutras is a better
                manual.

                Thanks for this thread.
                regards




                --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, medit8ionsociety
                <no_reply@...> wrote:
                >
                > One of the most common emails the
                > Meditation Society of America gets
                > asks for advice on which books are
                > the best dealing with meditation.
                > We had several this week and also
                > received an email from the Divya
                > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
                > one answer to this question. We'll
                > let these quotes speak for themselves:
                >
                > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
                > reflace about how God created this
                > universe everything else seems so superfluous."
                > Albert Einstein
                >
                > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
                > dedicate body, mind and soul
                > to pure duty and not to become mental
                > voluptuaries at the mercy of
                > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
                > Mahatma Gandhiji
                >
                > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
                > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
                > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
                > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
                > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
                > India but to all of humanity."
                > Aldous Huxley
                >
                > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
                > human race a living creation rather than a book,
                > with a new message for every age and a
                > new meaning for every civilization."
                > Sri Aurobindo
                >
                > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
                > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
                > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
                > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
                > Henry David Thoreau
                >
                > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
                > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
                > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
                > Herman Hesse
                >
                > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
                > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
                > a call of action to meet the obligations and
                > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
                > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
                > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
                >
                > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
                > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
                > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
                > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
                > old intelligence which in another age and climate
                > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
                > questions which exercise us."
                > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                >
                > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
                > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
                > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
                > montheistic deity and at the same time the
                > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
                > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                >
                > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
                > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
                > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
                > Rudolph Steiner
                >
                > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
                > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
                > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
                > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
                > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
                > think that they are advised to engage in
                > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
                > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
                > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
                > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
                > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
                > high priority. If we continue and patiently
                > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
                > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
                > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
                > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
                > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
                > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
                > Sri Swami Prabhupada
                >
                > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita."
                > Swami Vivekananda
                >
                > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
                > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
                > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
                > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
                > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
                > and negative, undesirable influences that are
                > opposed to spiritual development, yet
                > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
                > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
                > Sri Ramanuja
                >
                > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
                > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
                > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
                > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
                >
                > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
                > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
                > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
                > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
                > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
                > who meditate on the Gita will
                > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
                > Mahatma Gandhiji
                >
                > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
                > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
                > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
                > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
                > Adi Sankara
                >
                > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -
                > Swami Vivekananda
                >
                > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
                > His devotee Arjuna."
                > Paramahansa Yogananda
                >
                > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
                > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
                > which is manifested by actions."
                > Dr. Albert Schweizer
                >
              • jogeshwarmahanta
                No further views? regards ... meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, jogeshwarmahanta ... medit8ionsociety
                Message 7 of 18 , Dec 29, 2007
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                  No further views?
                  regards



                  --- In
                  meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                  <jogeshwarmahanta@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Has any body gone through comparative reading and practice of
                  > Magbhagvat Geeta and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? As I find objectives
                  > of the two texts are diametrically opposite.
                  >
                  > From the practice point of view, I think, Yoga Sutras is a better
                  > manual.
                  >
                  > Thanks for this thread.
                  > regards
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                  medit8ionsociety
                  > <no_reply@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > One of the most common emails the
                  > > Meditation Society of America gets
                  > > asks for advice on which books are
                  > > the best dealing with meditation.
                  > > We had several this week and also
                  > > received an email from the Divya
                  > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
                  > > one answer to this question. We'll
                  > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
                  > >
                  > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
                  > > reflace about how God created this
                  > > universe everything else seems so superfluous."
                  > > Albert Einstein
                  > >
                  > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
                  > > dedicate body, mind and soul
                  > > to pure duty and not to become mental
                  > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
                  > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
                  > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                  > >
                  > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
                  > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
                  > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
                  > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
                  > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
                  > > India but to all of humanity."
                  > > Aldous Huxley
                  > >
                  > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
                  > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
                  > > with a new message for every age and a
                  > > new meaning for every civilization."
                  > > Sri Aurobindo
                  > >
                  > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
                  > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
                  > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
                  > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
                  > > Henry David Thoreau
                  > >
                  > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
                  > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
                  > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
                  > > Herman Hesse
                  > >
                  > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
                  > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
                  > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
                  > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
                  > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
                  > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
                  > >
                  > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
                  > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
                  > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
                  > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
                  > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
                  > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
                  > > questions which exercise us."
                  > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                  > >
                  > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
                  > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
                  > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
                  > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
                  > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
                  > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                  > >
                  > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
                  > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
                  > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
                  > > Rudolph Steiner
                  > >
                  > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
                  > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
                  > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
                  > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
                  > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
                  > > think that they are advised to engage in
                  > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
                  > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
                  > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
                  > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
                  > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
                  > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
                  > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
                  > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
                  > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
                  > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
                  > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
                  > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
                  > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
                  > >
                  > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                  > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                  > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita."
                  > > Swami Vivekananda
                  > >
                  > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
                  > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
                  > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
                  > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
                  > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
                  > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
                  > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
                  > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
                  > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
                  > > Sri Ramanuja
                  > >
                  > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
                  > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
                  > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
                  > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
                  > >
                  > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
                  > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
                  > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
                  > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
                  > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
                  > > who meditate on the Gita will
                  > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
                  > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                  > >
                  > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
                  > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
                  > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
                  > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
                  > > Adi Sankara
                  > >
                  > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                  > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                  > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -
                  > > Swami Vivekananda
                  > >
                  > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
                  > > His devotee Arjuna."
                  > > Paramahansa Yogananda
                  > >
                  > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
                  > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
                  > > which is manifested by actions."
                  > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
                  > >
                  >
                • medit8ionsociety
                  ... Yo Sri Jogeshwarmahanta, I didn t realize that you were referring to the Bhagavad Gita, but now I am assuming you were, and that it was your unique
                  Message 8 of 18 , Dec 29, 2007
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                    --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                    <jogeshwarmahanta@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > No further views?
                    > regards
                    >
                    Yo Sri Jogeshwarmahanta,
                    I didn't realize that you were referring to
                    the Bhagavad Gita, but now I am assuming you
                    were, and that it was your unique spelling
                    (Magbhagvat Geeta) that made me feel unable
                    to reply. I don't see in any way that the
                    2 books as being "diametrically opposite.
                    Actually, I feel they compliment each other
                    perfectly. The Gita shares how one can best
                    prepare to medtate and live a pure life that
                    eliminates the distractions that hold one back
                    from experiencing the bounty of treasures that
                    meditation brings. And the Sutras are the
                    perfect "how-to" book on meditation. Together
                    they comprise the totality of all one
                    needs to learn, and then do, to best unfold
                    the flower of peace, wisdom and bliss that is
                    within and is the birthright of all of humanity.
                    Peace and Blessings,
                    Bob
                    > --- In
                    > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                    > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Has any body gone through comparative reading and practice of
                    > > Magbhagvat Geeta and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? As I find objectives
                    > > of the two texts are diametrically opposite.
                    > >
                    > > From the practice point of view, I think, Yoga Sutras is a better
                    > > manual.
                    > >
                    > > Thanks for this thread.
                    > > regards
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                    > medit8ionsociety
                    > > <no_reply@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > One of the most common emails the
                    > > > Meditation Society of America gets
                    > > > asks for advice on which books are
                    > > > the best dealing with meditation.
                    > > > We had several this week and also
                    > > > received an email from the Divya
                    > > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
                    > > > one answer to this question. We'll
                    > > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
                    > > >
                    > > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
                    > > > reflace about how God created this
                    > > > universe everything else seems so superfluous."
                    > > > Albert Einstein
                    > > >
                    > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
                    > > > dedicate body, mind and soul
                    > > > to pure duty and not to become mental
                    > > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
                    > > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
                    > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                    > > >
                    > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
                    > > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
                    > > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
                    > > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
                    > > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
                    > > > India but to all of humanity."
                    > > > Aldous Huxley
                    > > >
                    > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
                    > > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
                    > > > with a new message for every age and a
                    > > > new meaning for every civilization."
                    > > > Sri Aurobindo
                    > > >
                    > > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
                    > > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
                    > > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
                    > > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
                    > > > Henry David Thoreau
                    > > >
                    > > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
                    > > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
                    > > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
                    > > > Herman Hesse
                    > > >
                    > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
                    > > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
                    > > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
                    > > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
                    > > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
                    > > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
                    > > >
                    > > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
                    > > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
                    > > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
                    > > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
                    > > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
                    > > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
                    > > > questions which exercise us."
                    > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                    > > >
                    > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
                    > > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
                    > > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
                    > > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
                    > > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
                    > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                    > > >
                    > > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
                    > > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
                    > > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
                    > > > Rudolph Steiner
                    > > >
                    > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
                    > > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
                    > > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
                    > > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
                    > > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
                    > > > think that they are advised to engage in
                    > > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
                    > > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
                    > > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
                    > > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
                    > > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
                    > > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
                    > > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
                    > > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
                    > > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
                    > > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
                    > > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
                    > > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
                    > > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
                    > > >
                    > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                    > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                    > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita."
                    > > > Swami Vivekananda
                    > > >
                    > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
                    > > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
                    > > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
                    > > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
                    > > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
                    > > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
                    > > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
                    > > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
                    > > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
                    > > > Sri Ramanuja
                    > > >
                    > > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
                    > > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
                    > > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
                    > > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
                    > > >
                    > > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
                    > > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
                    > > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
                    > > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
                    > > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
                    > > > who meditate on the Gita will
                    > > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
                    > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                    > > >
                    > > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
                    > > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
                    > > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
                    > > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
                    > > > Adi Sankara
                    > > >
                    > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                    > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                    > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -
                    > > > Swami Vivekananda
                    > > >
                    > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
                    > > > His devotee Arjuna."
                    > > > Paramahansa Yogananda
                    > > >
                    > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
                    > > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
                    > > > which is manifested by actions."
                    > > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >
                  • jogeshwarmahanta
                    Sorry for the spelling mistake.I intended to write Madbhagavat Geeta. No. The definitions of Yoga: Patnjali-Yogaschittavritti norodhah(Regulation of
                    Message 9 of 18 , Dec 29, 2007
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                      Sorry for the spelling mistake.I intended to write Madbhagavat Geeta.

                      No.
                      The definitions of Yoga:

                      Patnjali-Yogaschittavritti norodhah(Regulation of mind/procliviries).

                      Geeta-Sdhyasidhyo samabhutwa samatwam yoga uchyate(Accepting success
                      and failure as the same)

                      Objectives-Moksha.

                      Patanjali-Attaining the purest conscience/Transcending time and
                      space.

                      Geeta-Merger with Him/God/Almighty/The Braman.

                      Approach:

                      Patanjali-Continuous deconditioning and reconditioning.

                      Geeta-Just witnessing the happenings in detached manner.

                      regards






                      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, medit8ionsociety
                      <no_reply@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > --- In
                      meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                      > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > No further views?
                      > > regards
                      > >
                      > Yo Sri Jogeshwarmahanta,
                      > I didn't realize that you were referring to
                      > the Bhagavad Gita, but now I am assuming you
                      > were, and that it was your unique spelling
                      > (Magbhagvat Geeta) that made me feel unable
                      > to reply. I don't see in any way that the
                      > 2 books as being "diametrically opposite.
                      > Actually, I feel they compliment each other
                      > perfectly. The Gita shares how one can best
                      > prepare to medtate and live a pure life that
                      > eliminates the distractions that hold one back
                      > from experiencing the bounty of treasures that
                      > meditation brings. And the Sutras are the
                      > perfect "how-to" book on meditation. Together
                      > they comprise the totality of all one
                      > needs to learn, and then do, to best unfold
                      > the flower of peace, wisdom and bliss that is
                      > within and is the birthright of all of humanity.
                      > Peace and Blessings,
                      > Bob
                      > > --- In
                      > > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                      > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Has any body gone through comparative reading and practice of
                      > > > Magbhagvat Geeta and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? As I find
                      objectives
                      > > > of the two texts are diametrically opposite.
                      > > >
                      > > > From the practice point of view, I think, Yoga Sutras is a
                      better
                      > > > manual.
                      > > >
                      > > > Thanks for this thread.
                      > > > regards
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                      > > medit8ionsociety
                      > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > One of the most common emails the
                      > > > > Meditation Society of America gets
                      > > > > asks for advice on which books are
                      > > > > the best dealing with meditation.
                      > > > > We had several this week and also
                      > > > > received an email from the Divya
                      > > > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
                      > > > > one answer to this question. We'll
                      > > > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
                      > > > > reflace about how God created this
                      > > > > universe everything else seems so superfluous."
                      > > > > Albert Einstein
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
                      > > > > dedicate body, mind and soul
                      > > > > to pure duty and not to become mental
                      > > > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
                      > > > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
                      > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
                      > > > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
                      > > > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
                      > > > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
                      > > > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
                      > > > > India but to all of humanity."
                      > > > > Aldous Huxley
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
                      > > > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
                      > > > > with a new message for every age and a
                      > > > > new meaning for every civilization."
                      > > > > Sri Aurobindo
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
                      > > > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
                      > > > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
                      > > > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
                      > > > > Henry David Thoreau
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
                      > > > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
                      > > > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
                      > > > > Herman Hesse
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
                      > > > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
                      > > > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
                      > > > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
                      > > > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
                      > > > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
                      > > > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
                      > > > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
                      > > > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
                      > > > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
                      > > > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
                      > > > > questions which exercise us."
                      > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
                      > > > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
                      > > > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
                      > > > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
                      > > > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
                      > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
                      > > > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
                      > > > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
                      > > > > Rudolph Steiner
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
                      > > > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
                      > > > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
                      > > > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
                      > > > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
                      > > > > think that they are advised to engage in
                      > > > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
                      > > > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
                      > > > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
                      > > > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
                      > > > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
                      > > > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
                      > > > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
                      > > > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
                      > > > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
                      > > > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
                      > > > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
                      > > > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
                      > > > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                      > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                      > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita."
                      > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
                      > > > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
                      > > > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
                      > > > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
                      > > > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
                      > > > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
                      > > > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
                      > > > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
                      > > > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
                      > > > > Sri Ramanuja
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
                      > > > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
                      > > > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
                      > > > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
                      > > > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
                      > > > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
                      > > > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
                      > > > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
                      > > > > who meditate on the Gita will
                      > > > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
                      > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
                      > > > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
                      > > > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
                      > > > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
                      > > > > Adi Sankara
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                      > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                      > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -
                      > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
                      > > > > His devotee Arjuna."
                      > > > > Paramahansa Yogananda
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
                      > > > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
                      > > > > which is manifested by actions."
                      > > > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • jogeshwarmahanta
                      Oh! I forgot one very important aspect. In relation to God: Patanjal-Ishwara pranidhanadva(Or by devotion to God) Geeta-Sarba dharman parityajya mamekam
                      Message 10 of 18 , Dec 30, 2007
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                        Oh! I forgot one very important aspect.

                        In relation to God:

                        Patanjal-Ishwara pranidhanadva(Or by devotion to God)

                        Geeta-Sarba dharman parityajya mamekam sharanam braja(Abandon all
                        and surrender to Me)-Lord Krishna
                        regards



                        --- In
                        meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                        <jogeshwarmahanta@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Sorry for the spelling mistake.I intended to write Madbhagavat
                        Geeta.
                        >
                        > No.
                        > The definitions of Yoga:
                        >
                        > Patnjali-Yogaschittavritti norodhah(Regulation of
                        mind/procliviries).
                        >
                        > Geeta-Sdhyasidhyo samabhutwa samatwam yoga uchyate(Accepting
                        success
                        > and failure as the same)
                        >
                        > Objectives-Moksha.
                        >
                        > Patanjali-Attaining the purest conscience/Transcending time and
                        > space.
                        >
                        > Geeta-Merger with Him/God/Almighty/The Braman.
                        >
                        > Approach:
                        >
                        > Patanjali-Continuous deconditioning and reconditioning.
                        >
                        > Geeta-Just witnessing the happenings in detached manner.
                        >
                        > regards
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                        medit8ionsociety
                        > <no_reply@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > --- In
                        > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                        > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > No further views?
                        > > > regards
                        > > >
                        > > Yo Sri Jogeshwarmahanta,
                        > > I didn't realize that you were referring to
                        > > the Bhagavad Gita, but now I am assuming you
                        > > were, and that it was your unique spelling
                        > > (Magbhagvat Geeta) that made me feel unable
                        > > to reply. I don't see in any way that the
                        > > 2 books as being "diametrically opposite.
                        > > Actually, I feel they compliment each other
                        > > perfectly. The Gita shares how one can best
                        > > prepare to medtate and live a pure life that
                        > > eliminates the distractions that hold one back
                        > > from experiencing the bounty of treasures that
                        > > meditation brings. And the Sutras are the
                        > > perfect "how-to" book on meditation. Together
                        > > they comprise the totality of all one
                        > > needs to learn, and then do, to best unfold
                        > > the flower of peace, wisdom and bliss that is
                        > > within and is the birthright of all of humanity.
                        > > Peace and Blessings,
                        > > Bob
                        > > > --- In
                        > > > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                        > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Has any body gone through comparative reading and practice
                        of
                        > > > > Magbhagvat Geeta and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? As I find
                        > objectives
                        > > > > of the two texts are diametrically opposite.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > From the practice point of view, I think, Yoga Sutras is a
                        > better
                        > > > > manual.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thanks for this thread.
                        > > > > regards
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                        > > > medit8ionsociety
                        > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > One of the most common emails the
                        > > > > > Meditation Society of America gets
                        > > > > > asks for advice on which books are
                        > > > > > the best dealing with meditation.
                        > > > > > We had several this week and also
                        > > > > > received an email from the Divya
                        > > > > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
                        > > > > > one answer to this question. We'll
                        > > > > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
                        > > > > > reflace about how God created this
                        > > > > > universe everything else seems so superfluous."
                        > > > > > Albert Einstein
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
                        > > > > > dedicate body, mind and soul
                        > > > > > to pure duty and not to become mental
                        > > > > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
                        > > > > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
                        > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
                        > > > > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
                        > > > > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
                        > > > > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
                        > > > > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
                        > > > > > India but to all of humanity."
                        > > > > > Aldous Huxley
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
                        > > > > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
                        > > > > > with a new message for every age and a
                        > > > > > new meaning for every civilization."
                        > > > > > Sri Aurobindo
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
                        > > > > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
                        > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
                        > > > > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
                        > > > > > Henry David Thoreau
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
                        > > > > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
                        > > > > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
                        > > > > > Herman Hesse
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
                        > > > > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
                        > > > > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
                        > > > > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
                        > > > > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
                        > > > > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
                        > > > > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
                        > > > > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
                        > > > > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
                        > > > > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
                        > > > > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
                        > > > > > questions which exercise us."
                        > > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
                        > > > > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
                        > > > > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
                        > > > > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
                        > > > > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
                        > > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
                        > > > > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
                        > > > > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
                        > > > > > Rudolph Steiner
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
                        > > > > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
                        > > > > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
                        > > > > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
                        > > > > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
                        > > > > > think that they are advised to engage in
                        > > > > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
                        > > > > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
                        > > > > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
                        > > > > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
                        > > > > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
                        > > > > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
                        > > > > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
                        > > > > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
                        > > > > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
                        > > > > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
                        > > > > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
                        > > > > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
                        > > > > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                        > > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                        > > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita."
                        > > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
                        > > > > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
                        > > > > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
                        > > > > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
                        > > > > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
                        > > > > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
                        > > > > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
                        > > > > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
                        > > > > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
                        > > > > > Sri Ramanuja
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
                        > > > > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
                        > > > > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
                        > > > > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
                        > > > > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
                        > > > > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
                        > > > > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
                        > > > > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
                        > > > > > who meditate on the Gita will
                        > > > > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
                        > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
                        > > > > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
                        > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
                        > > > > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
                        > > > > > Adi Sankara
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                        > > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                        > > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -
                        > > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
                        > > > > > His devotee Arjuna."
                        > > > > > Paramahansa Yogananda
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
                        > > > > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
                        > > > > > which is manifested by actions."
                        > > > > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
                        > > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
                      • jogeshwarmahanta
                        So,I think, now there will be focus on Patanjali s Yoga Sutras,the smallest book of the greatest importance. regards ...
                        Message 11 of 18 , Jan 9, 2008
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                          So,I think, now there will be focus on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras,the
                          smallest book of the greatest importance.
                          regards


                          --- In
                          meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                          <jogeshwarmahanta@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Oh! I forgot one very important aspect.
                          >
                          > In relation to God:
                          >
                          > Patanjal-Ishwara pranidhanadva(Or by devotion to God)
                          >
                          > Geeta-Sarba dharman parityajya mamekam sharanam braja(Abandon all
                          > and surrender to Me)-Lord Krishna
                          > regards
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In
                          > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                          > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Sorry for the spelling mistake.I intended to write Madbhagavat
                          > Geeta.
                          > >
                          > > No.
                          > > The definitions of Yoga:
                          > >
                          > > Patnjali-Yogaschittavritti norodhah(Regulation of
                          > mind/procliviries).
                          > >
                          > > Geeta-Sdhyasidhyo samabhutwa samatwam yoga uchyate(Accepting
                          > success
                          > > and failure as the same)
                          > >
                          > > Objectives-Moksha.
                          > >
                          > > Patanjali-Attaining the purest conscience/Transcending time and
                          > > space.
                          > >
                          > > Geeta-Merger with Him/God/Almighty/The Braman.
                          > >
                          > > Approach:
                          > >
                          > > Patanjali-Continuous deconditioning and reconditioning.
                          > >
                          > > Geeta-Just witnessing the happenings in detached manner.
                          > >
                          > > regards
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                          > medit8ionsociety
                          > > <no_reply@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In
                          > > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                          > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > No further views?
                          > > > > regards
                          > > > >
                          > > > Yo Sri Jogeshwarmahanta,
                          > > > I didn't realize that you were referring to
                          > > > the Bhagavad Gita, but now I am assuming you
                          > > > were, and that it was your unique spelling
                          > > > (Magbhagvat Geeta) that made me feel unable
                          > > > to reply. I don't see in any way that the
                          > > > 2 books as being "diametrically opposite.
                          > > > Actually, I feel they compliment each other
                          > > > perfectly. The Gita shares how one can best
                          > > > prepare to medtate and live a pure life that
                          > > > eliminates the distractions that hold one back
                          > > > from experiencing the bounty of treasures that
                          > > > meditation brings. And the Sutras are the
                          > > > perfect "how-to" book on meditation. Together
                          > > > they comprise the totality of all one
                          > > > needs to learn, and then do, to best unfold
                          > > > the flower of peace, wisdom and bliss that is
                          > > > within and is the birthright of all of humanity.
                          > > > Peace and Blessings,
                          > > > Bob
                          > > > > --- In
                          > > > >
                          meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                          > > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Has any body gone through comparative reading and practice
                          > of
                          > > > > > Magbhagvat Geeta and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? As I find
                          > > objectives
                          > > > > > of the two texts are diametrically opposite.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > From the practice point of view, I think, Yoga Sutras is a
                          > > better
                          > > > > > manual.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Thanks for this thread.
                          > > > > > regards
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                          > > > > medit8ionsociety
                          > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > One of the most common emails the
                          > > > > > > Meditation Society of America gets
                          > > > > > > asks for advice on which books are
                          > > > > > > the best dealing with meditation.
                          > > > > > > We had several this week and also
                          > > > > > > received an email from the Divya
                          > > > > > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
                          > > > > > > one answer to this question. We'll
                          > > > > > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
                          > > > > > > reflace about how God created this
                          > > > > > > universe everything else seems so superfluous."
                          > > > > > > Albert Einstein
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
                          > > > > > > dedicate body, mind and soul
                          > > > > > > to pure duty and not to become mental
                          > > > > > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
                          > > > > > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
                          > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
                          > > > > > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
                          > > > > > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
                          > > > > > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
                          > > > > > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
                          > > > > > > India but to all of humanity."
                          > > > > > > Aldous Huxley
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
                          > > > > > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
                          > > > > > > with a new message for every age and a
                          > > > > > > new meaning for every civilization."
                          > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
                          > > > > > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
                          > > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
                          > > > > > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
                          > > > > > > Henry David Thoreau
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
                          > > > > > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
                          > > > > > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
                          > > > > > > Herman Hesse
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
                          > > > > > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
                          > > > > > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
                          > > > > > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
                          > > > > > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
                          > > > > > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
                          > > > > > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
                          > > > > > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
                          > > > > > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
                          > > > > > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
                          > > > > > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
                          > > > > > > questions which exercise us."
                          > > > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
                          > > > > > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
                          > > > > > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
                          > > > > > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
                          > > > > > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
                          > > > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
                          > > > > > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
                          > > > > > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
                          > > > > > > Rudolph Steiner
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
                          > > > > > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
                          > > > > > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
                          > > > > > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
                          > > > > > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
                          > > > > > > think that they are advised to engage in
                          > > > > > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
                          > > > > > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
                          > > > > > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
                          > > > > > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
                          > > > > > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
                          > > > > > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
                          > > > > > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
                          > > > > > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
                          > > > > > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
                          > > > > > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
                          > > > > > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
                          > > > > > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
                          > > > > > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                          > > > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                          > > > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita."
                          > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
                          > > > > > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
                          > > > > > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
                          > > > > > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
                          > > > > > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
                          > > > > > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
                          > > > > > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
                          > > > > > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
                          > > > > > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
                          > > > > > > Sri Ramanuja
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
                          > > > > > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
                          > > > > > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
                          > > > > > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
                          > > > > > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
                          > > > > > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
                          > > > > > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
                          > > > > > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
                          > > > > > > who meditate on the Gita will
                          > > > > > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
                          > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
                          > > > > > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
                          > > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
                          > > > > > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
                          > > > > > > Adi Sankara
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                          > > > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                          > > > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -
                          > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
                          > > > > > > His devotee Arjuna."
                          > > > > > > Paramahansa Yogananda
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
                          > > > > > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
                          > > > > > > which is manifested by actions."
                          > > > > > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                        • jvmarco
                          In my opinion, the best currently available book on meditation is The Myth of Freedom by Chogyam Trungpa. It is said that it takes 100 life times for a monk to
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                            In my opinion, the best currently available book on meditation is The
                            Myth of Freedom by Chogyam Trungpa.

                            It is said that it takes 100 life times for a monk to realize
                            enlightenment,...for a yogi it takes about 10 lifetimes,...however,
                            for a sly (wo)man, enlightenment can be realized in a single
                            lifetime. That meditation is called the Short Path or Vajrayana.

                            If you really cannot acknowledge the impermanence of duality and feel
                            you have 10 lifetimes to learn and earn your way out of here, by all
                            means go for Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. If, on the other hand, you
                            realize that you don't have all the time in the world, and truly
                            appreciate how lucky you are to even have time for meditation, try
                            the Short Path.

                            V
                            :)


                            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                            <jogeshwarmahanta@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > So,I think, now there will be focus on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras,the
                            > smallest book of the greatest importance.
                            > regards
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In
                            > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                            > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Oh! I forgot one very important aspect.
                            > >
                            > > In relation to God:
                            > >
                            > > Patanjal-Ishwara pranidhanadva(Or by devotion to God)
                            > >
                            > > Geeta-Sarba dharman parityajya mamekam sharanam braja(Abandon all
                            > > and surrender to Me)-Lord Krishna
                            > > regards
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In
                            > > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                            > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Sorry for the spelling mistake.I intended to write Madbhagavat
                            > > Geeta.
                            > > >
                            > > > No.
                            > > > The definitions of Yoga:
                            > > >
                            > > > Patnjali-Yogaschittavritti norodhah(Regulation of
                            > > mind/procliviries).
                            > > >
                            > > > Geeta-Sdhyasidhyo samabhutwa samatwam yoga uchyate(Accepting
                            > > success
                            > > > and failure as the same)
                            > > >
                            > > > Objectives-Moksha.
                            > > >
                            > > > Patanjali-Attaining the purest conscience/Transcending time and
                            > > > space.
                            > > >
                            > > > Geeta-Merger with Him/God/Almighty/The Braman.
                            > > >
                            > > > Approach:
                            > > >
                            > > > Patanjali-Continuous deconditioning and reconditioning.
                            > > >
                            > > > Geeta-Just witnessing the happenings in detached manner.
                            > > >
                            > > > regards
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                            > > medit8ionsociety
                            > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --- In
                            > > > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                            > > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > No further views?
                            > > > > > regards
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > Yo Sri Jogeshwarmahanta,
                            > > > > I didn't realize that you were referring to
                            > > > > the Bhagavad Gita, but now I am assuming you
                            > > > > were, and that it was your unique spelling
                            > > > > (Magbhagvat Geeta) that made me feel unable
                            > > > > to reply. I don't see in any way that the
                            > > > > 2 books as being "diametrically opposite.
                            > > > > Actually, I feel they compliment each other
                            > > > > perfectly. The Gita shares how one can best
                            > > > > prepare to medtate and live a pure life that
                            > > > > eliminates the distractions that hold one back
                            > > > > from experiencing the bounty of treasures that
                            > > > > meditation brings. And the Sutras are the
                            > > > > perfect "how-to" book on meditation. Together
                            > > > > they comprise the totality of all one
                            > > > > needs to learn, and then do, to best unfold
                            > > > > the flower of peace, wisdom and bliss that is
                            > > > > within and is the birthright of all of humanity.
                            > > > > Peace and Blessings,
                            > > > > Bob
                            > > > > > --- In
                            > > > > >
                            > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                            > > > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Has any body gone through comparative reading and
                            practice
                            > > of
                            > > > > > > Magbhagvat Geeta and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? As I find
                            > > > objectives
                            > > > > > > of the two texts are diametrically opposite.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > From the practice point of view, I think, Yoga Sutras is
                            a
                            > > > better
                            > > > > > > manual.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Thanks for this thread.
                            > > > > > > regards
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                            > > > > > medit8ionsociety
                            > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > One of the most common emails the
                            > > > > > > > Meditation Society of America gets
                            > > > > > > > asks for advice on which books are
                            > > > > > > > the best dealing with meditation.
                            > > > > > > > We had several this week and also
                            > > > > > > > received an email from the Divya
                            > > > > > > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
                            > > > > > > > one answer to this question. We'll
                            > > > > > > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
                            > > > > > > > reflace about how God created this
                            > > > > > > > universe everything else seems so superfluous."
                            > > > > > > > Albert Einstein
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
                            > > > > > > > dedicate body, mind and soul
                            > > > > > > > to pure duty and not to become mental
                            > > > > > > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
                            > > > > > > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
                            > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
                            > > > > > > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
                            > > > > > > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
                            > > > > > > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
                            > > > > > > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
                            > > > > > > > India but to all of humanity."
                            > > > > > > > Aldous Huxley
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
                            > > > > > > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
                            > > > > > > > with a new message for every age and a
                            > > > > > > > new meaning for every civilization."
                            > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
                            > > > > > > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
                            > > > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
                            > > > > > > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
                            > > > > > > > Henry David Thoreau
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
                            > > > > > > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
                            > > > > > > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
                            > > > > > > > Herman Hesse
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
                            > > > > > > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
                            > > > > > > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
                            > > > > > > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
                            > > > > > > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
                            > > > > > > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
                            > > > > > > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
                            > > > > > > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
                            > > > > > > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
                            > > > > > > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
                            > > > > > > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
                            > > > > > > > questions which exercise us."
                            > > > > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
                            > > > > > > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
                            > > > > > > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
                            > > > > > > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
                            > > > > > > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
                            > > > > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
                            > > > > > > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
                            > > > > > > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
                            > > > > > > > Rudolph Steiner
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
                            > > > > > > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
                            > > > > > > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
                            > > > > > > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
                            > > > > > > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
                            > > > > > > > think that they are advised to engage in
                            > > > > > > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
                            > > > > > > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
                            > > > > > > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
                            > > > > > > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
                            > > > > > > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
                            > > > > > > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
                            > > > > > > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
                            > > > > > > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
                            > > > > > > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
                            > > > > > > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
                            > > > > > > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
                            > > > > > > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
                            > > > > > > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                            > > > > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                            > > > > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita."
                            > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
                            > > > > > > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
                            > > > > > > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
                            > > > > > > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
                            > > > > > > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
                            > > > > > > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
                            > > > > > > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
                            > > > > > > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
                            > > > > > > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
                            > > > > > > > Sri Ramanuja
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
                            > > > > > > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
                            > > > > > > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
                            > > > > > > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
                            > > > > > > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
                            > > > > > > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
                            > > > > > > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
                            > > > > > > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
                            > > > > > > > who meditate on the Gita will
                            > > > > > > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
                            > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
                            > > > > > > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
                            > > > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
                            > > > > > > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
                            > > > > > > > Adi Sankara
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                            > > > > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                            > > > > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -
                            > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
                            > > > > > > > His devotee Arjuna."
                            > > > > > > > Paramahansa Yogananda
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
                            > > > > > > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
                            > > > > > > > which is manifested by actions."
                            > > > > > > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            >
                          • jogeshwarmahanta
                            feel you have 10 lifetimes to learn and earn your way out of here, by all means go for Patanjali s Yoga Sutras. Yes. The first objective is to prolong your
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                              "feel
                              you have 10 lifetimes to learn and earn your way out of here, by all
                              means go for Patanjali's Yoga Sutras."

                              Yes. The first objective is to prolong your life span first.
                              regards



                              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jvmarco"
                              <jvmarco@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > In my opinion, the best currently available book on meditation is
                              The
                              > Myth of Freedom by Chogyam Trungpa.
                              >
                              > It is said that it takes 100 life times for a monk to realize
                              > enlightenment,...for a yogi it takes about 10
                              lifetimes,...however,
                              > for a sly (wo)man, enlightenment can be realized in a single
                              > lifetime. That meditation is called the Short Path or Vajrayana.
                              >
                              > If you really cannot acknowledge the impermanence of duality and
                              feel
                              > you have 10 lifetimes to learn and earn your way out of here, by
                              all
                              > means go for Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. If, on the other hand, you
                              > realize that you don't have all the time in the world, and truly
                              > appreciate how lucky you are to even have time for meditation, try
                              > the Short Path.
                              >
                              > V
                              > :)
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In
                              meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                              > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > So,I think, now there will be focus on Patanjali's Yoga
                              Sutras,the
                              > > smallest book of the greatest importance.
                              > > regards
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In
                              > > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                              > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Oh! I forgot one very important aspect.
                              > > >
                              > > > In relation to God:
                              > > >
                              > > > Patanjal-Ishwara pranidhanadva(Or by devotion to God)
                              > > >
                              > > > Geeta-Sarba dharman parityajya mamekam sharanam braja(Abandon
                              all
                              > > > and surrender to Me)-Lord Krishna
                              > > > regards
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In
                              > > > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                              > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Sorry for the spelling mistake.I intended to write
                              Madbhagavat
                              > > > Geeta.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > No.
                              > > > > The definitions of Yoga:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Patnjali-Yogaschittavritti norodhah(Regulation of
                              > > > mind/procliviries).
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Geeta-Sdhyasidhyo samabhutwa samatwam yoga uchyate(Accepting
                              > > > success
                              > > > > and failure as the same)
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Objectives-Moksha.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Patanjali-Attaining the purest conscience/Transcending time
                              and
                              > > > > space.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Geeta-Merger with Him/God/Almighty/The Braman.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Approach:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Patanjali-Continuous deconditioning and reconditioning.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Geeta-Just witnessing the happenings in detached manner.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > regards
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                              > > > medit8ionsociety
                              > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > --- In
                              > > > >
                              meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                              > > > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > No further views?
                              > > > > > > regards
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > Yo Sri Jogeshwarmahanta,
                              > > > > > I didn't realize that you were referring to
                              > > > > > the Bhagavad Gita, but now I am assuming you
                              > > > > > were, and that it was your unique spelling
                              > > > > > (Magbhagvat Geeta) that made me feel unable
                              > > > > > to reply. I don't see in any way that the
                              > > > > > 2 books as being "diametrically opposite.
                              > > > > > Actually, I feel they compliment each other
                              > > > > > perfectly. The Gita shares how one can best
                              > > > > > prepare to medtate and live a pure life that
                              > > > > > eliminates the distractions that hold one back
                              > > > > > from experiencing the bounty of treasures that
                              > > > > > meditation brings. And the Sutras are the
                              > > > > > perfect "how-to" book on meditation. Together
                              > > > > > they comprise the totality of all one
                              > > > > > needs to learn, and then do, to best unfold
                              > > > > > the flower of peace, wisdom and bliss that is
                              > > > > > within and is the birthright of all of humanity.
                              > > > > > Peace and Blessings,
                              > > > > > Bob
                              > > > > > > --- In
                              > > > > > >
                              > > meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                              > > > > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Has any body gone through comparative reading and
                              > practice
                              > > > of
                              > > > > > > > Magbhagvat Geeta and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? As I
                              find
                              > > > > objectives
                              > > > > > > > of the two texts are diametrically opposite.
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > From the practice point of view, I think, Yoga Sutras
                              is
                              > a
                              > > > > better
                              > > > > > > > manual.
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Thanks for this thread.
                              > > > > > > > regards
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                              > > > > > > medit8ionsociety
                              > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > One of the most common emails the
                              > > > > > > > > Meditation Society of America gets
                              > > > > > > > > asks for advice on which books are
                              > > > > > > > > the best dealing with meditation.
                              > > > > > > > > We had several this week and also
                              > > > > > > > > received an email from the Divya
                              > > > > > > > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
                              > > > > > > > > one answer to this question. We'll
                              > > > > > > > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
                              > > > > > > > > reflace about how God created this
                              > > > > > > > > universe everything else seems so superfluous."
                              > > > > > > > > Albert Einstein
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
                              > > > > > > > > dedicate body, mind and soul
                              > > > > > > > > to pure duty and not to become mental
                              > > > > > > > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
                              > > > > > > > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
                              > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
                              > > > > > > > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
                              > > > > > > > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
                              > > > > > > > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
                              > > > > > > > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
                              > > > > > > > > India but to all of humanity."
                              > > > > > > > > Aldous Huxley
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
                              > > > > > > > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
                              > > > > > > > > with a new message for every age and a
                              > > > > > > > > new meaning for every civilization."
                              > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
                              > > > > > > > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
                              > > > > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
                              > > > > > > > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
                              > > > > > > > > Henry David Thoreau
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
                              > > > > > > > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
                              > > > > > > > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
                              > > > > > > > > Herman Hesse
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
                              > > > > > > > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
                              > > > > > > > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
                              > > > > > > > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
                              > > > > > > > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
                              > > > > > > > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
                              > > > > > > > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
                              > > > > > > > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
                              > > > > > > > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
                              > > > > > > > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
                              > > > > > > > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
                              > > > > > > > > questions which exercise us."
                              > > > > > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
                              > > > > > > > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
                              > > > > > > > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
                              > > > > > > > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
                              > > > > > > > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
                              > > > > > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
                              > > > > > > > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
                              > > > > > > > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
                              > > > > > > > > Rudolph Steiner
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
                              > > > > > > > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
                              > > > > > > > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
                              > > > > > > > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
                              > > > > > > > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
                              > > > > > > > > think that they are advised to engage in
                              > > > > > > > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
                              > > > > > > > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
                              > > > > > > > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
                              > > > > > > > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
                              > > > > > > > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
                              > > > > > > > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
                              > > > > > > > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
                              > > > > > > > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
                              > > > > > > > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
                              > > > > > > > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
                              > > > > > > > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
                              > > > > > > > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
                              > > > > > > > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                              > > > > > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                              > > > > > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita."
                              > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
                              > > > > > > > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
                              > > > > > > > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
                              > > > > > > > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
                              > > > > > > > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
                              > > > > > > > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
                              > > > > > > > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
                              > > > > > > > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
                              > > > > > > > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
                              > > > > > > > > Sri Ramanuja
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
                              > > > > > > > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
                              > > > > > > > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
                              > > > > > > > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
                              > > > > > > > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
                              > > > > > > > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
                              > > > > > > > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
                              > > > > > > > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
                              > > > > > > > > who meditate on the Gita will
                              > > > > > > > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
                              > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
                              > > > > > > > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
                              > > > > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
                              > > > > > > > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
                              > > > > > > > > Adi Sankara
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                              > > > > > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                              > > > > > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -
                              > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
                              > > > > > > > > His devotee Arjuna."
                              > > > > > > > > Paramahansa Yogananda
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
                              > > > > > > > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
                              > > > > > > > > which is manifested by actions."
                              > > > > > > > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              >
                            • Balasubramanian Radhakrishnan Kumar
                              Sri Bhagavan Ramana Maharishi s self enquiry method for self realisation is the shortest and the best. -- B.R.Kumar, Chennai -41, INDIA To:
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                                Sri Bhagavan Ramana Maharishi's self enquiry method for self realisation is the shortest and the best. -- B.R.Kumar, Chennai -41, INDIA


                                To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                From: jogeshwarmahanta@...
                                Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:17:00 +0000
                                Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: The Best Book on Meditation

                                "feel
                                you have 10 lifetimes to learn and earn your way out of here, by all
                                means go for Patanjali's Yoga Sutras."

                                Yes. The first objective is to prolong your life span first.
                                regards

                                --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "jvmarco"
                                <jvmarco@... > wrote:
                                >
                                > In my opinion, the best currently available book on meditation is
                                The
                                > Myth of Freedom by Chogyam Trungpa.
                                >
                                > It is said that it takes 100 life times for a monk to realize
                                > enlightenment, ...for a yogi it takes about 10
                                lifetimes,.. .however,
                                > for a sly (wo)man, enlightenment can be realized in a single
                                > lifetime. That meditation is called the Short Path or Vajrayana.
                                >
                                > If you really cannot acknowledge the impermanence of duality and
                                feel
                                > you have 10 lifetimes to learn and earn your way out of here, by
                                all
                                > means go for Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. If, on the other hand, you
                                > realize that you don't have all the time in the world, and truly
                                > appreciate how lucky you are to even have time for meditation, try
                                > the Short Path.
                                >
                                > V
                                > :)
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In
                                meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                                > <jogeshwarmahanta@ > wrote:
                                > >
                                > > So,I think, now there will be focus on Patanjali's Yoga
                                Sutras,the
                                > > smallest book of the greatest importance.
                                > > regards
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --- In
                                > > meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                                > > <jogeshwarmahanta@ > wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Oh! I forgot one very important aspect.
                                > > >
                                > > > In relation to God:
                                > > >
                                > > > Patanjal-Ishwara pranidhanadva( Or by devotion to God)
                                > > >
                                > > > Geeta-Sarba dharman parityajya mamekam sharanam braja(Abandon
                                all
                                > > > and surrender to Me)-Lord Krishna
                                > > > regards
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In
                                > > > meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                                > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@ > wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Sorry for the spelling mistake.I intended to write
                                Madbhagavat
                                > > > Geeta.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > No.
                                > > > > The definitions of Yoga:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Patnjali-Yogaschitt avritti norodhah(Regulation of
                                > > > mind/procliviries) .
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Geeta-Sdhyasidhyo samabhutwa samatwam yoga uchyate(Accepting
                                > > > success
                                > > > > and failure as the same)
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Objectives-Moksha.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Patanjali-Attaining the purest conscience/Transcen ding time
                                and
                                > > > > space.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Geeta-Merger with Him/God/Almighty/ The Braman.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Approach:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Patanjali-Continuou s deconditioning and reconditioning.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Geeta-Just witnessing the happenings in detached manner.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > regards
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                                > > > medit8ionsociety
                                > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > --- In
                                > > > >
                                meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                                > > > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@ > wrote:
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > No further views?
                                > > > > > > regards
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > Yo Sri Jogeshwarmahanta,
                                > > > > > I didn't realize that you were referring to
                                > > > > > the Bhagavad Gita, but now I am assuming you
                                > > > > > were, and that it was your unique spelling
                                > > > > > (Magbhagvat Geeta) that made me feel unable
                                > > > > > to reply. I don't see in any way that the
                                > > > > > 2 books as being "diametrically opposite.
                                > > > > > Actually, I feel they compliment each other
                                > > > > > perfectly. The Gita shares how one can best
                                > > > > > prepare to medtate and live a pure life that
                                > > > > > eliminates the distractions that hold one back
                                > > > > > from experiencing the bounty of treasures that
                                > > > > > meditation brings. And the Sutras are the
                                > > > > > perfect "how-to" book on meditation. Together
                                > > > > > they comprise the totality of all one
                                > > > > > needs to learn, and then do, to best unfold
                                > > > > > the flower of peace, wisdom and bliss that is
                                > > > > > within and is the birthright of all of humanity.
                                > > > > > Peace and Blessings,
                                > > > > > Bob
                                > > > > > > --- In
                                > > > > > >
                                > > meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"
                                > > > > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@ > wrote:
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Has any body gone through comparative reading and
                                > practice
                                > > > of
                                > > > > > > > Magbhagvat Geeta and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? As I
                                find
                                > > > > objectives
                                > > > > > > > of the two texts are diametrically opposite.
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > From the practice point of view, I think, Yoga Sutras
                                is
                                > a
                                > > > > better
                                > > > > > > > manual.
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Thanks for this thread.
                                > > > > > > > regards
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                                > > > > > > medit8ionsociety
                                > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > One of the most common emails the
                                > > > > > > > > Meditation Society of America gets
                                > > > > > > > > asks for advice on which books are
                                > > > > > > > > the best dealing with meditation.
                                > > > > > > > > We had several this week and also
                                > > > > > > > > received an email from the Divya
                                > > > > > > > > Jivan Newsletter that pointed to
                                > > > > > > > > one answer to this question. We'll
                                > > > > > > > > let these quotes speak for themselves:
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and
                                > > > > > > > > reflace about how God created this
                                > > > > > > > > universe everything else seems so superfluous. "
                                > > > > > > > > Albert Einstein
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to
                                > > > > > > > > dedicate body, mind and soul
                                > > > > > > > > to pure duty and not to become mental
                                > > > > > > > > voluptuaries at the mercy of
                                > > > > > > > > random desires and undisciplined impulses."
                                > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement
                                > > > > > > > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to mankind.
                                > > > > > > > > It is one of the most clear and comprehensive
                                > > > > > > > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
                                > > > > > > > > hence its enduring value is subject not only to
                                > > > > > > > > India but to all of humanity."
                                > > > > > > > > Aldous Huxley
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the
                                > > > > > > > > human race a living creation rather than a book,
                                > > > > > > > > with a new message for every age and a
                                > > > > > > > > new meaning for every civilization. "
                                > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the
                                > > > > > > > > stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the
                                > > > > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern
                                > > > > > > > > world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
                                > > > > > > > > Henry David Thoreau
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly
                                > > > > > > > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which
                                > > > > > > > > enables philosophy to blossom into religion."
                                > > > > > > > > Herman Hesse
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the
                                > > > > > > > > spiritual foundation of human existence. It is
                                > > > > > > > > a call of action to meet the obligations and
                                > > > > > > > > duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual
                                > > > > > > > > nature and grander purpose of the universe."
                                > > > > > > > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita.
                                > > > > > > > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire
                                > > > > > > > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
                                > > > > > > > > but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an
                                > > > > > > > > old intelligence which in another age and climate
                                > > > > > > > > had pondered and thus disposed of the same
                                > > > > > > > > questions which exercise us."
                                > > > > > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought
                                > > > > > > > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna
                                > > > > > > > > has all the attributes of the full-fledged
                                > > > > > > > > montheistic deity and at the same time the
                                > > > > > > > > attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."
                                > > > > > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "In order to approach a creation as sublime
                                > > > > > > > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding
                                > > > > > > > > it is necessary to attune our soul to it." -
                                > > > > > > > > Rudolph Steiner
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the
                                > > > > > > > > Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam
                                > > > > > > > > fully reveals the true import of this doctrine
                                > > > > > > > > which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal
                                > > > > > > > > of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may
                                > > > > > > > > think that they are advised to engage in
                                > > > > > > > > warfare. When the second chapter has been read
                                > > > > > > > > it can be clearly understood that knowledge and
                                > > > > > > > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be
                                > > > > > > > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is
                                > > > > > > > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of
                                > > > > > > > > high priority. If we continue and patiently
                                > > > > > > > > take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and
                                > > > > > > > > try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter
                                > > > > > > > > we can see that the ultimate conclusion
                                > > > > > > > > is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas
                                > > > > > > > > of religion which we possess and fully surrender
                                > > > > > > > > directly unto the Supreme Lord."
                                > > > > > > > > Sri Swami Prabhupada
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                                > > > > > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                                > > > > > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. "
                                > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna to
                                > > > > > > > > reveal the science of devotion to God which is the
                                > > > > > > > > essence of all spiritual knowledge. The
                                > > > > > > > > Supreme Lord Krishnas primary purpose for descending
                                > > > > > > > > and incarnating is relieve the world of any demoniac
                                > > > > > > > > and negative, undesirable influences that are
                                > > > > > > > > opposed to spiritual development, yet
                                > > > > > > > > simultaneously it is His incomparable intention
                                > > > > > > > > to be perpetually within reach of all humanity."
                                > > > > > > > > Sri Ramanuja
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal
                                > > > > > > > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear
                                > > > > > > > > and enabled me to deal with or understand."
                                > > > > > > > > Swami Nirmalananda Giri
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "When doubts haunt me, when disappointments
                                > > > > > > > > stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of
                                > > > > > > > > hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and
                                > > > > > > > > find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin
                                > > > > > > > > to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those
                                > > > > > > > > who meditate on the Gita will
                                > > > > > > > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day."
                                > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all
                                > > > > > > > > the goals of human existence become fulfilled.
                                > > > > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence
                                > > > > > > > > of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures."
                                > > > > > > > > Adi Sankara
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform
                                > > > > > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught
                                > > > > > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita. " -
                                > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to
                                > > > > > > > > His devotee Arjuna."
                                > > > > > > > > Paramahansa Yogananda
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on
                                > > > > > > > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God
                                > > > > > > > > which is manifested by actions."
                                > > > > > > > > Dr. Albert Schweizer
                                > > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > >
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                                From 1 book to 4 now. regards ... realisation is the shortest and the best. -- B.R.Kumar, Chennai -41, INDIA ... Jan 2008 06:17:00 +0000Subject: [Meditation
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                                  From 1 book to 4 now.
                                  regards

                                  --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Balasubramanian
                                  Radhakrishnan Kumar <kumarbr20@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Sri Bhagavan Ramana Maharishi's self enquiry method for self
                                  realisation is the shortest and the best. -- B.R.Kumar, Chennai -41,
                                  INDIA
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@...: jogeshwarmahanta@...: Thu, 10
                                  Jan 2008 06:17:00 +0000Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re:
                                  The Best Book on Meditation
                                  >
                                  >
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                                  > "feelyou have 10 lifetimes to learn and earn your way out of here,
                                  by allmeans go for Patanjali's Yoga Sutras."Yes. The first objective
                                  is to prolong your life span first.regards--- In
                                  meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jvmarco" <jvmarco@>
                                  wrote:>> In my opinion, the best currently available book on
                                  meditation is The > Myth of Freedom by Chogyam Trungpa.> > It is
                                  said that it takes 100 life times for a monk to realize >
                                  enlightenment,...for a yogi it takes about 10 lifetimes,...however,
                                  > for a sly (wo)man, enlightenment can be realized in a single >
                                  lifetime. That meditation is called the Short Path or Vajrayana.> >
                                  If you really cannot acknowledge the impermanence of duality and
                                  feel > you have 10 lifetimes to learn and earn your way out of here,
                                  by all > means go for Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. If, on the other
                                  hand, you > realize that you don't have all the time in the world,
                                  and truly > appreciate how lucky you are to even have time for
                                  meditation, try > the Short Path. > > V> :)> > > --- In
                                  meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta" >
                                  <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:> >> > So,I think, now there will be focus
                                  on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras,the > > smallest book of the greatest
                                  importance.> > regards> > > > > > --- In > >
                                  meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta" > >
                                  <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:> > >> > > Oh! I forgot one very important
                                  aspect.> > > > > > In relation to God:> > > > > > Patanjal-Ishwara
                                  pranidhanadva(Or by devotion to God)> > > > > > Geeta-Sarba dharman
                                  parityajya mamekam sharanam braja(Abandon all > > > and surrender to
                                  Me)-Lord Krishna> > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > >
                                  meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta" > > >
                                  <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Sorry for the spelling
                                  mistake.I intended to write Madbhagavat > > > Geeta.> > > > > > > >
                                  No. > > > > The definitions of Yoga:> > > > > > > > Patnjali-
                                  Yogaschittavritti norodhah(Regulation of > > > mind/procliviries).>
                                  > > > > > > > Geeta-Sdhyasidhyo samabhutwa samatwam yoga uchyate
                                  (Accepting > > > success > > > > and failure as the same)> > > > > >
                                  > > Objectives-Moksha.> > > > > > > > Patanjali-Attaining the purest
                                  conscience/Transcending time and > > > > space.> > > > > > > > Geeta-
                                  Merger with Him/God/Almighty/The Braman.> > > > > > > > Approach:> >
                                  > > > > > > Patanjali-Continuous deconditioning and reconditioning.>
                                  > > > > > > > Geeta-Just witnessing the happenings in detached
                                  manner.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
                                  > > > medit8ionsociety > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > -
                                  -- In > > > >
                                  meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta"> > >
                                  > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > No further
                                  views?> > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > Yo Sri
                                  Jogeshwarmahanta,> > > > > I didn't realize that you were referring
                                  to > > > > > the Bhagavad Gita, but now I am assuming you > > > > >
                                  were, and that it was your unique spelling> > > > > (Magbhagvat
                                  Geeta) that made me feel unable> > > > > to reply. I don't see in
                                  any way that the> > > > > 2 books as being "diametrically opposite.>
                                  > > > > Actually, I feel they compliment each other> > > > >
                                  perfectly. The Gita shares how one can best> > > > > prepare to
                                  medtate and live a pure life that> > > > > eliminates the
                                  distractions that hold one back> > > > > from experiencing the
                                  bounty of treasures that> > > > > meditation brings. And the Sutras
                                  are the> > > > > perfect "how-to" book on meditation. Together> > >
                                  > > they comprise the totality of all one> > > > > needs to learn,
                                  and then do, to best unfold> > > > > the flower of peace, wisdom and
                                  bliss that is> > > > > within and is the birthright of all of
                                  humanity.> > > > > Peace and Blessings,> > > > > Bob> > > > > > ---
                                  In > > > > > > > >
                                  meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jogeshwarmahanta" > > >
                                  > > > <jogeshwarmahanta@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Has any
                                  body gone through comparative reading and > practice > > > of > > >
                                  > > > > Magbhagvat Geeta and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? As I find > >
                                  > > objectives > > > > > > > of the two texts are diametrically
                                  opposite.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the practice point of
                                  view, I think, Yoga Sutras is > a > > > > better > > > > > > >
                                  manual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for this thread.> > > > >
                                  > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, > > >
                                  > > > medit8ionsociety > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:> > > > > > >
                                  >> > > > > > > > One of the most common emails the> > > > > > > >
                                  Meditation Society of America gets> > > > > > > > asks for advice on
                                  which books are> > > > > > > > the best dealing with meditation.> >
                                  > > > > > > We had several this week and also> > > > > > > >
                                  received an email from the Divya> > > > > > > > Jivan Newsletter
                                  that pointed to> > > > > > > > one answer to this question. We'll> >
                                  > > > > > > let these quotes speak for themselves:> > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and > > > > > > > >
                                  reflace about how God created this> > > > > > > > universe
                                  everything else seems so superfluous." > > > > > > > > Albert
                                  Einstein> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita calls on
                                  humanity to > > > > > > > > dedicate body, mind and soul> > > > > >
                                  > > to pure duty and not to become mental > > > > > > > >
                                  voluptuaries at the mercy of> > > > > > > > random desires and
                                  undisciplined impulses."> > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji> > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic
                                  statement > > > > > > > > of spiritualevolution of endowing value to
                                  mankind. > > > > > > > > It is one of the most clear and
                                  comprehensive > > > > > > > > summaries of perennial philosophy ever
                                  revealed;> > > > > > > > hence its enduring value is subject not
                                  only to > > > > > > > > India but to all of humanity."> > > > > > >
                                  > Aldous Huxley> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is
                                  a true scripture of the > > > > > > > > human race a living creation
                                  rather than a book, > > > > > > > > with a new message for every age
                                  and a> > > > > > > > new meaning for every civilization." > > > > >
                                  > > > Sri Aurobindo> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In the morning I
                                  bathe my intellect in the > > > > > > > > stupendous and cosmogonal
                                  philosophy of the > > > > > > > > Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with
                                  which our modern> > > > > > > > world and its literature seems puny
                                  and trivial."> > > > > > > > Henry David Thoreau> > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > "The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly > > > > >
                                  > > > beautiful revelation of life's wisdom which > > > > > > > >
                                  enables philosophy to blossom into religion." > > > > > > > > Herman
                                  Hesse> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita deals
                                  essentially with the > > > > > > > > spiritual foundation of human
                                  existence. It is > > > > > > > > a call of action to meet the
                                  obligations and> > > > > > > > duties of life; yet keeping in view
                                  the spiritual > > > > > > > > nature and grander purpose of the
                                  universe."> > > > > > > > Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru> > > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita. > > > >
                                  > > > > It was the first of books; it was as if an empire > > > > >
                                  > > > spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,> > > > > > > > but
                                  large, serene, consistent, the voice of an > > > > > > > > old
                                  intelligence which in another age and climate > > > > > > > > had
                                  pondered and thus disposed of the same> > > > > > > > questions
                                  which exercise us."> > > > > > > > Ralph Waldo Emerson> > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought > > > >
                                  > > > > and in its philosophical teachings Krishna > > > > > > > >
                                  has all the attributes of the full-fledged> > > > > > > >
                                  montheistic deity and at the same time the > > > > > > > >
                                  attributes of the Upanisadic absolute."> > > > > > > > Ralph Waldo
                                  Emerson> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In order to approach a
                                  creation as sublime > > > > > > > > as the Bhagavad-Gita with full
                                  understanding > > > > > > > > it is necessary to attune our soul to
                                  it." -> > > > > > > > Rudolph Steiner> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                  > "The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the > > > > > > > >
                                  Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam > > > > > > > > fully
                                  reveals the true import of this doctrine> > > > > > > > which is
                                  transmigation of the soul. On perusal > > > > > > > > of the first
                                  chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may > > > > > > > > think that they are
                                  advised to engage in> > > > > > > > warfare. When the second chapter
                                  has been read > > > > > > > > it can be clearly understood that
                                  knowledge and > > > > > > > > the soul is the ultimate goal to be> >
                                  > > > > > > attained. On studying the third chapter it is > > > > >
                                  > > > apparent that acts of righteousness are also of > > > > > > >
                                  > high priority. If we continue and patiently> > > > > > > > take
                                  the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and > > > > > > > > try to
                                  ascertain the truth of its closing chapter > > > > > > > > we can
                                  see that the ultimate conclusion> > > > > > > > is to relinquish all
                                  the conceptualized ideas > > > > > > > > of religion which we
                                  possess and fully surrender > > > > > > > > directly unto the
                                  Supreme Lord."> > > > > > > > Sri Swami Prabhupada> > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to perform > > > >
                                  > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is taught > > > > > > >
                                  > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." > > > > > > > > Swami
                                  Vivekananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita was
                                  spoken by Lord Krishna to > > > > > > > > reveal the science of
                                  devotion to God which is the > > > > > > > > essence of all
                                  spiritual knowledge. The> > > > > > > > Supreme Lord Krishnas
                                  primary purpose for descending > > > > > > > > and incarnating is
                                  relieve the world of any demoniac > > > > > > > > and negative,
                                  undesirable influences that are > > > > > > > > opposed to spiritual
                                  development, yet> > > > > > > > simultaneously it is His
                                  incomparable intention > > > > > > > > to be perpetually within
                                  reach of all humanity."> > > > > > > > Sri Ramanuja> > > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > "Nothing has ever arisen in my life, internal > > > >
                                  > > > > or external, that the Gita has not made clear > > > > > > >
                                  > and enabled me to deal with or understand." > > > > > > > > Swami
                                  Nirmalananda Giri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "When doubts haunt
                                  me, when disappointments > > > > > > > > stare me in the face, and I
                                  see not one ray of > > > > > > > > hope on the horizon, I turn to
                                  Bhagavad-Gita and> > > > > > > > find a verse to comfort me; and I
                                  immediately begin > > > > > > > > to smile in the midst of
                                  overwhelming sorrow. Those > > > > > > > > who meditate on the Gita
                                  will> > > > > > > > derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every
                                  day."> > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhiji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
                                  > "From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all > > > > > > > >
                                  the goals of human existence become fulfilled. > > > > > > > >
                                  Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence> > > > > > > > of all the
                                  teachings of the Vedic scriptures."> > > > > > > > Adi Sankara> > >
                                  > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The secret of karma yoga which is to
                                  perform > > > > > > > > actions without any fruitive desires is
                                  taught> > > > > > > > by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita." -> > >
                                  > > > > > Swami Vivekananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The
                                  Bhagavad-Gita is where God Himself talks to > > > > > > > > His
                                  devotee Arjuna."> > > > > > > > Paramahansa Yogananda> > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > > "The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on > > >
                                  > > > > > the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God > > > > > > >
                                  > which is manifested by actions."> > > > > > > > Dr. Albert
                                  Schweizer> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> >
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