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Re: [Meditation Society of America]The power of knowledge gives you an extra ed

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  • C. Joubert
    Jeff, thank you for the clarification. I am enjoying reading your explanations. Candy ... From: Jeff Belyea To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
    Message 1 of 1 , Aug 26, 2007
      Jeff, thank you for the clarification. I am enjoying reading your explanations.
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:18 AM
      Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The power of knowledge gives you an extra ed

      I hope to add clarity here
      and not confusion...

      While it is ultimately true
      that there is no seeking and
      nothing to be sought...it is
      a matter of timing.

      When we are stirred by the
      sense of unhappiness or "something
      missing" in our lives, we do
      initially seek an ineffable
      "something" to satisfy the longing
      for contentment and happiness.

      Often, that occurs to us as
      a new job, new car, bigger house,
      bigger muscles, success on our
      terms, new relationships, and so on.

      But when we achieve any or all
      of these "things", we find that
      the longing remains and we hear
      the old refrain, "Is this all there
      is?"...and we're back on the search,

      However, as tough as it may be
      to swallow, the paradox is that
      we must give up the search (the
      seduction as Sean described it)
      and come to a place of absolute
      surrender of the search, the
      desires, the longing. We must
      give it all up and just stop.

      It is here, at the stop sign,
      that the magic may happen. We
      have "seeded" our magic garden
      earlier with the search. To stay
      with this metaphor, we must now
      wait silently while the growth
      begins without our conscious
      knowledge. Any attempt to peek
      too soon destroys the potential
      fruit (or veggie) of Awakening.

      This timing aspect causes a lot
      of confusion and discouragement -
      especially when those who are
      not authentic in their "teaching"
      speak and write about not seeking.

      The curriculum runs: Seeking, Not
      Seeking, SURPRISE! The surprise
      is beyond anything we could think
      or imagine, beyond description,
      a joy unspeakable, a peace beyond
      understanding. Of course, we cannot
      seek it in advance, because IT
      does not yield to concept or idea.

      This is not the same as saying
      that IT does not exist or IT is
      some mental fabrication and opium
      of the masses (or spiritually
      drugged monkies on minimum wage
      for an organ grinder).

      Too long already. Hope there's
      something here of clarity.


      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
      <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
      > sean tremblay wrote:
      > > Sandeep,
      > > Anouther great reply
      > > I think what I am getting at is there is a seduction in Finding
      > > THING and having possesion of it.
      > *The very sense of "something-to-be-sought" call it THING or Self,
      > Enlightenment or happiness
      > constructs the sense of "you-the-seeker-of-the-defined-sought".
      > The perpetuating of the sense of "something-to-be-sought"
      > the sense of  "you-the-seeker-of-the-defined-sought".
      > The term being used is sense of..........as  no such construction
      > actually takes place.
      > *
      > > I like to use the terms of dependent and independent realities,
      > > kinda jives with me
      > > The dependent reality as you know is the cause and efect response
      > > causes suffering, and alienation, raises questions and fills in
      > > blanks.... I'ts the filling in the blanks part that may lead a
      > > to manufacture an answer that may or may not lead to fullfilment
      > *Is there anything as independent reality?
      > Is there anything really  independent .......aka.......that which
      is not
      > dependent on........... which it is supposed to be independent of?
      > *
      > >
      > > *//*__,_._,__

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