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, Grace Yllana
<yllanagr@.. .> wrote:
> Does that mean that when the teacher...says locked in one position
without moving...we should move and not practice observing the pain? I
do know that with practice..I got better and better at observing the
pain and watching it come and go...and one time actually "think" it
away..like self hypnosis...but
during meditation retreat..I passed out
from trying to "observe" the pain..I was hyperventilating to be able
to keep in the locked position we were told to keep...and I was the
only one who was going to move after 2 hours and did not want to be
the one..result I passed out and they took me to ER..so still confused
on the pain issue..
Working with intense pain - Ram Dass
"What I've learned from all this is what a delicate
game it is to work with intense pain. Like all
the experiences of an incarnation, pain has to be
experienced fully by the Ego in order to be an
effective learning experience for the Soul, but
plunging in like that locks you into the pain.
The only solution is to be on two planes at once:
you have to enter the pain fully, and yet be in
the Soul level at the same time. That's fierce?
You feel the full intensity of the pain, and at the
same time you transcend it by
being in the Witness state.
Pain demands that you establish yourself
simultaneously in Ego and Soul. What an incredible
teacher it is."
From: Still Here by Ram Dass