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  • Jeff Belyea
    Interesting concept. Maybe in a dialogue format - like we are doing here. Any title suggestions? ... would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay
    Message 1 of 26 , May 31, 2007
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      Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
      format - like we are doing here. Any title
      suggestions?

      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
      <bethjams9@...> wrote:
      >
      > Thanks Aideen
      >
      > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote: You know what
      would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
      >
      > Aideen
      >
      >
      > ---------------------------------
      >
      > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
      [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
      Belyea
      > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
      > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
      >
      >
      > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
      > on many points, and much of
      > what may seem like differing
      > points of view are more a
      > matter of semantics.
      >
      > The church (especially) and
      > most religious traditions have
      > become a train wreck of the
      > authentic teacher's original
      > teachings. Here, we absolutely
      > agree. There's no fun in
      > fundamentalism. The fanatic
      > religious view is the origin
      > of just about all wars.
      >
      > Yes, too bad that the term
      > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
      > something more like entrapment
      > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
      >
      > Your philosophy of:
      >
      > Eat good food
      > fall in love
      > raise happy kids
      > do meaningful work
      >
      > is simply beautiful. There's
      > an old Zen saying that goes
      > something like, "Before awakening,
      > chop wood, carry water. After
      > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
      >
      > I think that there is a large
      > audience for your "Scraped Knee
      > School of Philosophy". Your writing
      > style is unique and very appealing.
      > I hope that you continue to
      > develop that gift (inheritance).
      >
      > Do you keep a journal or write
      > often? Considering a book? You
      > use great analogies and very
      > creative metaphors.
      >
      > Love, as always,
      >
      > Jeff
      >
      > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
      >
      > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
      > would you?
      >
      > 2. A suggested perspective:
      >
      > Think of the battles in the gita
      > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
      > of the old testament or the tight-ass
      > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
      > rather than physical battles - in terms
      > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
      > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
      > ...awakening.
      >
      > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
      > I went through the door. One of the great
      > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
      > is that they leave the seeker outside
      > the door of awakening - leaving them
      > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
      > in heaven" - after they die. What
      > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
      > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
      > before I pull out my soapbox.
      >
      > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
      > <bethjams9@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
      > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
      expresion
      > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
      > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
      > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
      important
      > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
      > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
      > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
      a
      > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
      > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
      > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
      bit "Willfull"
      > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
      > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
      to
      > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
      > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
      > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
      > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
      be
      > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
      it
      > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
      of
      > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
      > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
      > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
      > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
      > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
      > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
      > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
      the
      > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
      > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
      > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
      > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
      > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
      > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
      > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
      > Good luck on your quest.
      > > Eat good food
      > > fall in love
      > > raise happy kids
      > > do meaningfull work
      > >
      > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
      > > Hi Sean -
      > >
      > > Yours is a reasonable response...
      > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
      > > or rather the impossibility of precise
      > > communication between two different
      > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
      > > interested, David Hawkins' book
      > > "Power vs Force" details his take
      > > on levels of consciousness).
      > >
      > > The realization that "everything
      > > works under one law" does not negate
      > > free will, it elevates it. We can
      > > still choose between a cheeseburger
      > > and baked scallops, and exercise
      > > free will on the mundane level -
      > > the trance level, or the level
      > > that we've been social coerced
      > > to accept as "all there is".
      > >
      > > But when nondual realization (by
      > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
      > > through, the personal ego gives way
      > > to the notion that the reasonsable
      > > and rational "self awareness" is...
      > > all there is to being alive.
      > >
      > > (Here's where precision of language
      > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
      > > personal self awareness is seen
      > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
      > > (even called illusory in most
      > > eastern traditions)
      > >
      > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
      > > something entirely different.
      > >
      > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
      > > shifts our perspective from being
      > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
      > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
      > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
      > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
      > > eternal, field of consciousness.
      > >
      > > The personal ego necessarily
      > > goes through the agony of complete
      > > collapse - giving way to the new
      > > realization that...hang on to your
      > > hat...there is a power greater
      > > than we are as individuals. And
      > > this "power" is beyond anything
      > > we formerly thought or imagined,
      > > different from personal ego..yet
      > > we are still a fully functional "part"
      > > of this whole unified field.
      > >
      > > This realization brings incredible
      > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
      > > free will, without the "should I or
      > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
      > > trusts completely in what "Is".
      > > And that translates to a completely
      > > free life, freedom from fear and
      > > doubt, and trust in one's own
      > > judgment (free will), because it is
      > > known that the choices are "guided"
      > > within the context of the whole
      > > of existence.
      > >
      > > Jeff
      > >
      > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
      > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
      > awareness,
      > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
      > > >
      > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
      > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
      > > done".
      > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
      > > > do!"
      > > > Kir Li Molari
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ---------------------------------
      > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
      > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ---------------------------------
      > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
      > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ---------------------------------
      > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
      who knows.
      > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
      >
    • sean tremblay
      fly in the ointment Jeff Belyea wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe in a dialogue format - like we are doing here. Any title
      Message 2 of 26 , May 31, 2007
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        fly in the ointment

        Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
        Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
        format - like we are doing here. Any title
        suggestions?

        --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
        <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
        >
        > Thanks Aideen
        >
        > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@. ..> wrote: You know what
        would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
        >
        > Aideen
        >
        >
        > ------------ --------- --------- ---
        >
        > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
        [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
        Belyea
        > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
        > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
        > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
        >
        >
        > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
        > on many points, and much of
        > what may seem like differing
        > points of view are more a
        > matter of semantics.
        >
        > The church (especially) and
        > most religious traditions have
        > become a train wreck of the
        > authentic teacher's original
        > teachings. Here, we absolutely
        > agree. There's no fun in
        > fundamentalism. The fanatic
        > religious view is the origin
        > of just about all wars.
        >
        > Yes, too bad that the term
        > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
        > something more like entrapment
        > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
        >
        > Your philosophy of:
        >
        > Eat good food
        > fall in love
        > raise happy kids
        > do meaningful work
        >
        > is simply beautiful. There's
        > an old Zen saying that goes
        > something like, "Before awakening,
        > chop wood, carry water. After
        > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
        >
        > I think that there is a large
        > audience for your "Scraped Knee
        > School of Philosophy". Your writing
        > style is unique and very appealing.
        > I hope that you continue to
        > develop that gift (inheritance) .
        >
        > Do you keep a journal or write
        > often? Considering a book? You
        > use great analogies and very
        > creative metaphors.
        >
        > Love, as always,
        >
        > Jeff
        >
        > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
        >
        > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
        > would you?
        >
        > 2. A suggested perspective:
        >
        > Think of the battles in the gita
        > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
        > of the old testament or the tight-ass
        > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
        > rather than physical battles - in terms
        > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
        > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
        > ...awakening.
        >
        > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
        > I went through the door. One of the great
        > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
        > is that they leave the seeker outside
        > the door of awakening - leaving them
        > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
        > in heaven" - after they die. What
        > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
        > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
        > before I pull out my soapbox.
        >
        > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
        > <bethjams9@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
        > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
        expresion
        > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
        > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
        > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
        important
        > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
        > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
        > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
        a
        > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
        > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
        > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
        bit "Willfull"
        > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
        > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
        to
        > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
        > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
        > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
        > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
        be
        > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
        it
        > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
        of
        > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
        > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
        > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
        > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
        > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
        > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
        > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
        the
        > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
        > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
        > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
        > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
        > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
        > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
        > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
        > Good luck on your quest.
        > > Eat good food
        > > fall in love
        > > raise happy kids
        > > do meaningfull work
        > >
        > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
        > > Hi Sean -
        > >
        > > Yours is a reasonable response...
        > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
        > > or rather the impossibility of precise
        > > communication between two different
        > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
        > > interested, David Hawkins' book
        > > "Power vs Force" details his take
        > > on levels of consciousness) .
        > >
        > > The realization that "everything
        > > works under one law" does not negate
        > > free will, it elevates it. We can
        > > still choose between a cheeseburger
        > > and baked scallops, and exercise
        > > free will on the mundane level -
        > > the trance level, or the level
        > > that we've been social coerced
        > > to accept as "all there is".
        > >
        > > But when nondual realization (by
        > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
        > > through, the personal ego gives way
        > > to the notion that the reasonsable
        > > and rational "self awareness" is...
        > > all there is to being alive.
        > >
        > > (Here's where precision of language
        > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
        > > personal self awareness is seen
        > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
        > > (even called illusory in most
        > > eastern traditions)
        > >
        > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
        > > something entirely different.
        > >
        > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
        > > shifts our perspective from being
        > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
        > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
        > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
        > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
        > > eternal, field of consciousness.
        > >
        > > The personal ego necessarily
        > > goes through the agony of complete
        > > collapse - giving way to the new
        > > realization that...hang on to your
        > > hat...there is a power greater
        > > than we are as individuals. And
        > > this "power" is beyond anything
        > > we formerly thought or imagined,
        > > different from personal ego..yet
        > > we are still a fully functional "part"
        > > of this whole unified field.
        > >
        > > This realization brings incredible
        > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
        > > free will, without the "should I or
        > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
        > > trusts completely in what "Is".
        > > And that translates to a completely
        > > free life, freedom from fear and
        > > doubt, and trust in one's own
        > > judgment (free will), because it is
        > > known that the choices are "guided"
        > > within the context of the whole
        > > of existence.
        > >
        > > Jeff
        > >
        > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
        > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
        > awareness,
        > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
        > > >
        > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
        > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
        > > done".
        > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
        > > > do!"
        > > > Kir Li Molari
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
        > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
        > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
        > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
        > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------ --------- --------- ---
        > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
        who knows.
        > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
        >



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      • Jeff Belyea
        I like it. Maybe... the fly gets annointed. ... in a dialogue ... Jeff ... of ... and ... or ... the ... I ... it ... land ... board. ... what ... of ...
        Message 3 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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          I like it. Maybe...

          the fly gets annointed.

          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
          <bethjams9@...> wrote:
          >
          > fly in the ointment
          >
          > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
          in a "dialogue"
          > format - like we are doing here. Any title
          > suggestions?
          >
          > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
          > <bethjams9@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Thanks Aideen
          > >
          > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
          > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
          > >
          > > Aideen
          > >
          > >
          > > ---------------------------------
          > >
          > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
          > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
          Jeff
          > Belyea
          > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
          > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
          > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
          > >
          > >
          > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
          > > on many points, and much of
          > > what may seem like differing
          > > points of view are more a
          > > matter of semantics.
          > >
          > > The church (especially) and
          > > most religious traditions have
          > > become a train wreck of the
          > > authentic teacher's original
          > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
          > > agree. There's no fun in
          > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
          > > religious view is the origin
          > > of just about all wars.
          > >
          > > Yes, too bad that the term
          > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
          > > something more like entrapment
          > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
          > >
          > > Your philosophy of:
          > >
          > > Eat good food
          > > fall in love
          > > raise happy kids
          > > do meaningful work
          > >
          > > is simply beautiful. There's
          > > an old Zen saying that goes
          > > something like, "Before awakening,
          > > chop wood, carry water. After
          > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
          > >
          > > I think that there is a large
          > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
          > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
          > > style is unique and very appealing.
          > > I hope that you continue to
          > > develop that gift (inheritance).
          > >
          > > Do you keep a journal or write
          > > often? Considering a book? You
          > > use great analogies and very
          > > creative metaphors.
          > >
          > > Love, as always,
          > >
          > > Jeff
          > >
          > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
          > >
          > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
          > > would you?
          > >
          > > 2. A suggested perspective:
          > >
          > > Think of the battles in the gita
          > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
          > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
          > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
          > > rather than physical battles - in terms
          > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
          > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
          > > ...awakening.
          > >
          > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
          > > I went through the door. One of the great
          > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
          > > is that they leave the seeker outside
          > > the door of awakening - leaving them
          > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
          > > in heaven" - after they die. What
          > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
          > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
          > > before I pull out my soapbox.
          > >
          > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
          > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
          > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
          > expresion
          > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
          > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and
          of
          > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
          > important
          > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
          > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
          and
          > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis
          or
          > a
          > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
          the
          > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
          > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
          > bit "Willfull"
          > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem
          I
          > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
          > to
          > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
          > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
          > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
          > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
          it
          > be
          > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
          > it
          > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
          land
          > of
          > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
          > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
          board.
          > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
          what
          > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake
          of
          > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
          person
          > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
          enlightenment
          > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
          > the
          > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
          does
          > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
          > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
          > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
          > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
          > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
          > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
          delusional.
          > > Good luck on your quest.
          > > > Eat good food
          > > > fall in love
          > > > raise happy kids
          > > > do meaningfull work
          > > >
          > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
          > > > Hi Sean -
          > > >
          > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
          > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
          > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
          > > > communication between two different
          > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
          > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
          > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
          > > > on levels of consciousness).
          > > >
          > > > The realization that "everything
          > > > works under one law" does not negate
          > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
          > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
          > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
          > > > free will on the mundane level -
          > > > the trance level, or the level
          > > > that we've been social coerced
          > > > to accept as "all there is".
          > > >
          > > > But when nondual realization (by
          > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
          > > > through, the personal ego gives way
          > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
          > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
          > > > all there is to being alive.
          > > >
          > > > (Here's where precision of language
          > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
          > > > personal self awareness is seen
          > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
          > > > (even called illusory in most
          > > > eastern traditions)
          > > >
          > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
          > > > something entirely different.
          > > >
          > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
          > > > shifts our perspective from being
          > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
          > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
          > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
          > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
          > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
          > > >
          > > > The personal ego necessarily
          > > > goes through the agony of complete
          > > > collapse - giving way to the new
          > > > realization that...hang on to your
          > > > hat...there is a power greater
          > > > than we are as individuals. And
          > > > this "power" is beyond anything
          > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
          > > > different from personal ego..yet
          > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
          > > > of this whole unified field.
          > > >
          > > > This realization brings incredible
          > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
          > > > free will, without the "should I or
          > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
          > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
          > > > And that translates to a completely
          > > > free life, freedom from fear and
          > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
          > > > judgment (free will), because it is
          > > > known that the choices are "guided"
          > > > within the context of the whole
          > > > of existence.
          > > >
          > > > Jeff
          > > >
          > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
          tremblay
          > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
          > > awareness,
          > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
          > > > >
          > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
          > > > done".
          > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
          > > > > do!"
          > > > > Kir Li Molari
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > ---------------------------------
          > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
          > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
          > > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > ---------------------------------
          > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
          > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
          > > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ---------------------------------
          > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
          > who knows.
          > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ---------------------------------
          > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
          web links.
          >
        • Jeff Belyea
          Just for clarification: Annointed (usally spelled anointed ) is a combination word, meaning - annoyed and anointed. ... tremblay ... know ... and ... in ...
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            Just for clarification:

            "Annointed" (usally spelled
            "anointed") is a combination
            word, meaning - annoyed and
            anointed.

            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
            <jeff@...> wrote:
            >
            > I like it. Maybe...
            >
            > the fly gets annointed.
            >
            > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
            > <bethjams9@> wrote:
            > >
            > > fly in the ointment
            > >
            > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
            > in a "dialogue"
            > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
            > > suggestions?
            > >
            > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
            > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Thanks Aideen
            > > >
            > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
            > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
            > > >
            > > > Aideen
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ---------------------------------
            > > >
            > > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
            > > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
            > Jeff
            > > Belyea
            > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
            > > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
            > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
            > > > on many points, and much of
            > > > what may seem like differing
            > > > points of view are more a
            > > > matter of semantics.
            > > >
            > > > The church (especially) and
            > > > most religious traditions have
            > > > become a train wreck of the
            > > > authentic teacher's original
            > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
            > > > agree. There's no fun in
            > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
            > > > religious view is the origin
            > > > of just about all wars.
            > > >
            > > > Yes, too bad that the term
            > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
            > > > something more like entrapment
            > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
            > > >
            > > > Your philosophy of:
            > > >
            > > > Eat good food
            > > > fall in love
            > > > raise happy kids
            > > > do meaningful work
            > > >
            > > > is simply beautiful. There's
            > > > an old Zen saying that goes
            > > > something like, "Before awakening,
            > > > chop wood, carry water. After
            > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
            > > >
            > > > I think that there is a large
            > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
            > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
            > > > style is unique and very appealing.
            > > > I hope that you continue to
            > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
            > > >
            > > > Do you keep a journal or write
            > > > often? Considering a book? You
            > > > use great analogies and very
            > > > creative metaphors.
            > > >
            > > > Love, as always,
            > > >
            > > > Jeff
            > > >
            > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
            > > >
            > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
            > > > would you?
            > > >
            > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
            > > >
            > > > Think of the battles in the gita
            > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
            > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
            > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
            > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
            > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
            > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
            > > > ...awakening.
            > > >
            > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
            > > > I went through the door. One of the great
            > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
            > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
            > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
            > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
            > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
            > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
            > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
            > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
            > > >
            > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
            tremblay
            > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
            know
            > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
            > > expresion
            > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
            > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
            and
            > of
            > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
            > > important
            > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
            in
            > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
            > and
            > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
            Davis
            > or
            > > a
            > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
            > the
            > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
            it's
            > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
            > > bit "Willfull"
            > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
            problem
            > I
            > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
            all
            > > to
            > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
            bomb
            > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
            > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
            > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
            > it
            > > be
            > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
            by
            > > it
            > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
            > land
            > > of
            > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
            > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
            > board.
            > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
            > what
            > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
            sake
            > of
            > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
            > person
            > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
            > enlightenment
            > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
            because
            > > the
            > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
            > does
            > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
            I
            > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
            without
            > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
            > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
            do
            > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
            > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
            > delusional.
            > > > Good luck on your quest.
            > > > > Eat good food
            > > > > fall in love
            > > > > raise happy kids
            > > > > do meaningfull work
            > > > >
            > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
            > > > > Hi Sean -
            > > > >
            > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
            > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
            > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
            > > > > communication between two different
            > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
            > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
            > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
            > > > > on levels of consciousness).
            > > > >
            > > > > The realization that "everything
            > > > > works under one law" does not negate
            > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
            > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
            > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
            > > > > free will on the mundane level -
            > > > > the trance level, or the level
            > > > > that we've been social coerced
            > > > > to accept as "all there is".
            > > > >
            > > > > But when nondual realization (by
            > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
            > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
            > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
            > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
            > > > > all there is to being alive.
            > > > >
            > > > > (Here's where precision of language
            > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
            > > > > personal self awareness is seen
            > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
            > > > > (even called illusory in most
            > > > > eastern traditions)
            > > > >
            > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
            > > > > something entirely different.
            > > > >
            > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
            > > > > shifts our perspective from being
            > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
            > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
            > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
            > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
            > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
            > > > >
            > > > > The personal ego necessarily
            > > > > goes through the agony of complete
            > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
            > > > > realization that...hang on to your
            > > > > hat...there is a power greater
            > > > > than we are as individuals. And
            > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
            > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
            > > > > different from personal ego..yet
            > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
            > > > > of this whole unified field.
            > > > >
            > > > > This realization brings incredible
            > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
            > > > > free will, without the "should I or
            > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
            > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
            > > > > And that translates to a completely
            > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
            > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
            > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
            > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
            > > > > within the context of the whole
            > > > > of existence.
            > > > >
            > > > > Jeff
            > > > >
            > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
            > tremblay
            > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
            > > > awareness,
            > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
            > > > > >
            > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
            > > > > done".
            > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
            > > > > > do!"
            > > > > > Kir Li Molari
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > ---------------------------------
            > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
            > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
            > > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > ---------------------------------
            > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
            > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ---------------------------------
            > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
            someone
            > > who knows.
            > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
            > > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > ---------------------------------
            > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
            > web links.
            > >
            >
          • sean tremblay
            I dig it, maybe there s a publisher in the chat group Jeff Belyea wrote: Just for clarification: Annointed (usally spelled
            Message 5 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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              I dig it,  maybe there's a publisher in the chat group

              Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
              Just for clarification:

              "Annointed" (usally spelled
              "anointed") is a combination
              word, meaning - annoyed and
              anointed.

              --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
              <jeff@...> wrote:
              >
              > I like it. Maybe...
              >
              > the fly gets annointed.
              >
              > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
              > <bethjams9@> wrote:
              > >
              > > fly in the ointment
              > >
              > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
              > in a "dialogue"
              > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
              > > suggestions?
              > >
              > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
              > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Thanks Aideen
              > > >
              > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
              > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
              > > >
              > > > Aideen
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
              > > >
              > > > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
              > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
              > Jeff
              > > Belyea
              > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
              > > > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
              > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
              > > > on many points, and much of
              > > > what may seem like differing
              > > > points of view are more a
              > > > matter of semantics.
              > > >
              > > > The church (especially) and
              > > > most religious traditions have
              > > > become a train wreck of the
              > > > authentic teacher's original
              > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
              > > > agree. There's no fun in
              > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
              > > > religious view is the origin
              > > > of just about all wars.
              > > >
              > > > Yes, too bad that the term
              > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
              > > > something more like entrapment
              > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
              > > >
              > > > Your philosophy of:
              > > >
              > > > Eat good food
              > > > fall in love
              > > > raise happy kids
              > > > do meaningful work
              > > >
              > > > is simply beautiful. There's
              > > > an old Zen saying that goes
              > > > something like, "Before awakening,
              > > > chop wood, carry water. After
              > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
              > > >
              > > > I think that there is a large
              > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
              > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
              > > > style is unique and very appealing.
              > > > I hope that you continue to
              > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
              > > >
              > > > Do you keep a journal or write
              > > > often? Considering a book? You
              > > > use great analogies and very
              > > > creative metaphors.
              > > >
              > > > Love, as always,
              > > >
              > > > Jeff
              > > >
              > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
              > > >
              > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
              > > > would you?
              > > >
              > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
              > > >
              > > > Think of the battles in the gita
              > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
              > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
              > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
              > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
              > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
              > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
              > > > ...awakening.
              > > >
              > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
              > > > I went through the door. One of the great
              > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
              > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
              > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
              > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
              > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
              > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
              > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
              > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
              > > >
              > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
              tremblay
              > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
              know
              > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
              > > expresion
              > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
              > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
              and
              > of
              > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
              > > important
              > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
              in
              > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
              > and
              > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
              Davis
              > or
              > > a
              > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
              > the
              > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
              it's
              > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
              > > bit "Willfull"
              > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
              problem
              > I
              > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
              all
              > > to
              > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
              bomb
              > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
              > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
              > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
              > it
              > > be
              > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
              by
              > > it
              > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
              > land
              > > of
              > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
              > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
              > board.
              > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
              > what
              > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
              sake
              > of
              > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
              > person
              > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
              > enlightenment
              > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
              because
              > > the
              > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
              > does
              > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
              I
              > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
              without
              > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
              > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
              do
              > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
              > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
              > delusional.
              > > > Good luck on your quest.
              > > > > Eat good food
              > > > > fall in love
              > > > > raise happy kids
              > > > > do meaningfull work
              > > > >
              > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
              > > > > Hi Sean -
              > > > >
              > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
              > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
              > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
              > > > > communication between two different
              > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
              > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
              > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
              > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
              > > > >
              > > > > The realization that "everything
              > > > > works under one law" does not negate
              > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
              > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
              > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
              > > > > free will on the mundane level -
              > > > > the trance level, or the level
              > > > > that we've been social coerced
              > > > > to accept as "all there is".
              > > > >
              > > > > But when nondual realization (by
              > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
              > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
              > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
              > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
              > > > > all there is to being alive.
              > > > >
              > > > > (Here's where precision of language
              > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
              > > > > personal self awareness is seen
              > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
              > > > > (even called illusory in most
              > > > > eastern traditions)
              > > > >
              > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
              > > > > something entirely different.
              > > > >
              > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
              > > > > shifts our perspective from being
              > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
              > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
              > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
              > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
              > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
              > > > >
              > > > > The personal ego necessarily
              > > > > goes through the agony of complete
              > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
              > > > > realization that...hang on to your
              > > > > hat...there is a power greater
              > > > > than we are as individuals. And
              > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
              > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
              > > > > different from personal ego..yet
              > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
              > > > > of this whole unified field.
              > > > >
              > > > > This realization brings incredible
              > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
              > > > > free will, without the "should I or
              > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
              > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
              > > > > And that translates to a completely
              > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
              > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
              > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
              > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
              > > > > within the context of the whole
              > > > > of existence.
              > > > >
              > > > > Jeff
              > > > >
              > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
              > tremblay
              > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
              > > > awareness,
              > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
              > > > > >
              > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
              > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
              > > > > done".
              > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
              > > > > > do!"
              > > > > > Kir Li Molari
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
              > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
              > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
              > > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
              > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
              > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
              > > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
              > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
              someone
              > > who knows.
              > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
              > > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
              > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
              > web links.
              > >
              >



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              Sean - I have a publisher. Email me privately and we ll work out the details. jeff@mindgoal.com ... tremblay ... book. ... Of ... been ... animal ... manifest
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                Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                privately and we'll work out the details.

                jeff@...

                --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                >
                > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                >
                > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Just for clarification:
                >
                > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                > "anointed") is a combination
                > word, meaning - annoyed and
                > anointed.
                >
                > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                > <jeff@> wrote:
                > >
                > > I like it. Maybe...
                > >
                > > the fly gets annointed.
                > >
                > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > fly in the ointment
                > > >
                > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                > > in a "dialogue"
                > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                > > > suggestions?
                > > >
                > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                tremblay
                > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > Thanks Aideen
                > > > >
                > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                book.
                > > > >
                > > > > Aideen
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > ---------------------------------
                > > > >
                > > > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                Of
                > > Jeff
                > > > Belyea
                > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                > > > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                > > > > on many points, and much of
                > > > > what may seem like differing
                > > > > points of view are more a
                > > > > matter of semantics.
                > > > >
                > > > > The church (especially) and
                > > > > most religious traditions have
                > > > > become a train wreck of the
                > > > > authentic teacher's original
                > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                > > > > religious view is the origin
                > > > > of just about all wars.
                > > > >
                > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                > > > > something more like entrapment
                > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                > > > >
                > > > > Your philosophy of:
                > > > >
                > > > > Eat good food
                > > > > fall in love
                > > > > raise happy kids
                > > > > do meaningful work
                > > > >
                > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                > > > >
                > > > > I think that there is a large
                > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                > > > > I hope that you continue to
                > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                > > > >
                > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                > > > > use great analogies and very
                > > > > creative metaphors.
                > > > >
                > > > > Love, as always,
                > > > >
                > > > > Jeff
                > > > >
                > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                > > > >
                > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                > > > > would you?
                > > > >
                > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                > > > >
                > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                > > > > ...awakening.
                > > > >
                > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                > > > >
                > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                > tremblay
                > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                > know
                > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                > > > expresion
                > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                been
                > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                > and
                > > of
                > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                > > > important
                > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                animal
                > in
                > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                manifest
                > > and
                > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                > Davis
                > > or
                > > > a
                > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                believe
                > > the
                > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                > it's
                > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                > > > bit "Willfull"
                > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                > problem
                > > I
                > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                > all
                > > > to
                > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                > bomb
                > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                same
                > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                let
                > > it
                > > > be
                > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did
                I
                > by
                > > > it
                > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                > > land
                > > > of
                > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                > > board.
                > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                But
                > > what
                > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                > sake
                > > of
                > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                > > person
                > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                > > enlightenment
                > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                > because
                > > > the
                > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                language
                > > does
                > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy)
                So
                > I
                > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                > without
                > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                > do
                > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                > > delusional.
                > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                > > > > > Eat good food
                > > > > > fall in love
                > > > > > raise happy kids
                > > > > > do meaningfull work
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                > > > > > Hi Sean -
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                > > > > > communication between two different
                > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                > > > > >
                > > > > > The realization that "everything
                > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                > > > > >
                > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                > > > > > eastern traditions)
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                > > > > > something entirely different.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                > > > > > within the context of the whole
                > > > > > of existence.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Jeff
                > > > > >
                > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                > > tremblay
                > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                > > > > awareness,
                > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                > > > > > done".
                > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                > > > > > > do!"
                > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > ---------------------------------
                > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > ---------------------------------
                > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > ---------------------------------
                > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                > someone
                > > > who knows.
                > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ---------------------------------
                > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                not
                > > web links.
                > > >
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ---------------------------------
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              • Aideen McKenna
                When you two are on Oprah discussing your smash about-to-be-a-movie bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a suggestion from some
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                  When you two are on “Oprah” discussing your smash about-to-be-a-movie bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a suggestion from some elderly Canadian lady.

                   


                  From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                  Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                  To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                   

                  Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                  privately and we'll work out the details.

                  jeff@mindgoal. com

                  --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                  <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:

                  >
                  > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                  >
                  > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Just for clarification:
                  >
                  > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                  > "anointed") is a combination
                  > word, meaning - annoyed and
                  > anointed.
                  >
                  > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                  "Jeff Belyea"
                  > <jeff@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > I like it. Maybe...
                  > >
                  > > the fly gets annointed.
                  > >
                  > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                  sean tremblay
                  > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > fly in the ointment
                  > > >
                  > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                  > > in a "dialogue"
                  > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                  > > > suggestions?
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In
                  href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                  tremblay
                  > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Thanks Aideen
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                  > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                  book.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Aideen
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                  > > > >
                  > > > > From:
                  href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                  > > > [mailto:
                  href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf
                  Of
                  > > Jeff
                  > > > Belyea
                  > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                  > > > > To:
                  href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of
                  w:st="on"> America ] The Facts of Life
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                  > > > > on many points, and much of
                  > > > > what may seem like differing
                  > > > > points of view are more a
                  > > > > matter of semantics.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > The church (especially) and
                  > > > > most religious traditions have
                  > > > > become a train wreck of the
                  > > > > authentic teacher's original
                  > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                  > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                  > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                  > > > > religious view is the origin
                  > > > > of just about all wars.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                  > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                  > > > > something more like entrapment
                  > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Your philosophy of:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Eat good food
                  > > > > fall in love
                  > > > > raise happy kids
                  > > > > do meaningful work
                  > > > >
                  > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                  > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                  > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                  > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                  > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I think that there is a large
                  > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                  > > > > School
                  of Philosophy ". Your writing
                  > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                  > > > > I hope that you continue to
                  > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                  > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                  > > > > use great analogies and very
                  > > > > creative metaphors.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Love, as always,
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Jeff
                  > > > >
                  > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                  > > > > would you?
                  > > > >
                  > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                  > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                  > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                  > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                  > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                  > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                  > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                  > > > > ...awakening.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                  > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                  > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                  > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                  > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                  > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                  > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                  > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                  > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                  > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > --- In
                  href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                  > tremblay
                  > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                  also
                  > know
                  > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                  > > > expresion
                  > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                  been
                  > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                  the "Soul"
                  > and
                  > > of
                  > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the
                  humanities most
                  > > > important
                  > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                  animal
                  > in
                  > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                  manifest
                  > > and
                  > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                  > Davis
                  > > or
                  > > > a
                  > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                  believe
                  > > the
                  > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I
                  sound crass
                  > it's
                  > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                  > > > bit "Willfull"
                  > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                  > problem
                  > > I
                  > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                  is
                  > all
                  > > > to
                  > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality
                  that leads to
                  > bomb
                  > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                  > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I
                  read of the
                  same
                  > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                  let
                  > > it
                  > > > be
                  > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                  did
                  I
                  > by
                  > > > it
                  > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                  the
                  > > land
                  > > > of
                  > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                  are
                  > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                  on
                  > > board.
                  > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                  But
                  > > what
                  > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                  > sake
                  > > of
                  > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                  > > person
                  > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                  > > enlightenment
                  > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                  > because
                  > > > the
                  > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                  language
                  > > does
                  > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                  (Spiritualy)
                  So
                  > I
                  > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                  > without
                  > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                  > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I
                  for one
                  > do
                  > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                  > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                  > > delusional.
                  > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                  > > > > > Eat good food
                  > > > > > fall in love
                  > > > > > raise happy kids
                  > > > > > do meaningfull work
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                  > > > > > Hi Sean -
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                  > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                  > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                  > > > > > communication between two different
                  > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                  > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                  > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                  > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > The realization that "everything
                  > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                  > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                  > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                  > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                  > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                  > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                  > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                  > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                  > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                  > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                  > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                  > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                  > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                  > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                  > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                  > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                  > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                  > > > > > eastern traditions)
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                  > > > > > something entirely different.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                  > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                  > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                  > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                  > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                  > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                  > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                  > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                  > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                  > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                  > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                  > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                  > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                  > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                  > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                  > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                  > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                  > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                  > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                  > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                  > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                  > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                  > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                  > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                  > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                  > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                  > > > > > within the context of the whole
                  > > > > > of existence.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Jeff
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > --- In
                  href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                  > > tremblay
                  > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will
                  and self
                  > > > > awareness,
                  > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <
                  href="mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com">no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                  > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ...
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                  > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or
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                  > > > > > > do!"
                  > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
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                • Jeff Belyea
                  You bet. I like your vision. How about, A suggestion from a visionary Canadian lady . Sean is in Maine (close to Canada), and I m in Florida (close to
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                    You bet. I like your vision.
                    How about, "A suggestion from
                    a visionary Canadian lady".

                    Sean is in Maine (close to Canada),
                    and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise).

                    Thanks,

                    Jeff

                    --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                    <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be-a-
                    movie
                    > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                    suggestion
                    > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > _____
                    >
                    > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                    > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                    Jeff Belyea
                    > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                    > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                    > privately and we'll work out the details.
                    >
                    > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff%40mindgoal.com> com
                    >
                    > --- In meditationsocietyof
                    > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                    > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                    > >
                    > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                    > >
                    > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                    > > "anointed") is a combination
                    > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                    > > anointed.
                    > >
                    > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                    > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > america@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                    > > <jeff@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > I like it. Maybe...
                    > > >
                    > > > the fly gets annointed.
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                    > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                    > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > fly in the ointment
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                    > > > in a "dialogue"
                    > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                    > > > > suggestions?
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                    > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                    > tremblay
                    > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                    > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                    > book.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Aideen
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > ---------------------------------
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                    > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > america@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof
                    > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > america@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                    > Of
                    > > > Jeff
                    > > > > Belyea
                    > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                    > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                    > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > america@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of
                    Life
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                    > > > > > on many points, and much of
                    > > > > > what may seem like differing
                    > > > > > points of view are more a
                    > > > > > matter of semantics.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > The church (especially) and
                    > > > > > most religious traditions have
                    > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                    > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                    > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                    > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                    > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                    > > > > > religious view is the origin
                    > > > > > of just about all wars.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                    > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                    > > > > > something more like entrapment
                    > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Eat good food
                    > > > > > fall in love
                    > > > > > raise happy kids
                    > > > > > do meaningful work
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                    > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                    > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                    > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                    > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > I think that there is a large
                    > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                    > > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                    > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                    > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                    > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                    > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                    > > > > > use great analogies and very
                    > > > > > creative metaphors.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Love, as always,
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Jeff
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                    > > > > > would you?
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                    > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                    > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                    > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                    > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                    > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                    > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                    > > > > > ...awakening.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                    > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                    > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                    > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                    > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                    > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                    > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                    > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                    > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                    > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                    > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                    > > tremblay
                    > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                    also
                    > > know
                    > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                    > > > > expresion
                    > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                    > been
                    > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                    the "Soul"
                    > > and
                    > > > of
                    > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                    > > > > important
                    > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                    > animal
                    > > in
                    > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                    > manifest
                    > > > and
                    > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                    > > Davis
                    > > > or
                    > > > > a
                    > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                    > believe
                    > > > the
                    > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                    crass
                    > > it's
                    > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                    > > > > bit "Willfull"
                    > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                    > > problem
                    > > > I
                    > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                    is
                    > > all
                    > > > > to
                    > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                    > > bomb
                    > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                    > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                    > same
                    > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                    > let
                    > > > it
                    > > > > be
                    > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                    did
                    > I
                    > > by
                    > > > > it
                    > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                    the
                    > > > land
                    > > > > of
                    > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                    are
                    > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                    on
                    > > > board.
                    > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                    > But
                    > > > what
                    > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                    > > sake
                    > > > of
                    > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                    > > > person
                    > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                    > > > enlightenment
                    > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                    > > because
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                    > language
                    > > > does
                    > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                    (Spiritualy)
                    > So
                    > > I
                    > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                    > > without
                    > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                    > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                    one
                    > > do
                    > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                    > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                    > > > delusional.
                    > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                    > > > > > > Eat good food
                    > > > > > > fall in love
                    > > > > > > raise happy kids
                    > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                    > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                    > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                    > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                    > > > > > > communication between two different
                    > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                    > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                    > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                    > > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                    > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                    > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                    > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                    > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                    > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                    > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                    > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                    > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                    > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                    > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                    > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                    > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                    > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                    > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                    > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                    > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                    > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                    > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                    > > > > > > something entirely different.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                    > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                    > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                    > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                    > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                    > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                    > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                    > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                    > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                    > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                    > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                    > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                    > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                    > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                    > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                    > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                    > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                    > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                    > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                    > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                    > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                    > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                    > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                    > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                    > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                    > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                    > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                    > > > > > > of existence.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Jeff
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                    > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                    > > > tremblay
                    > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                    > > > > > awareness,
                    > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup
                    > <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com>
                    > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                    > > > > > > done".
                    > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                    > > > > > > > do!"
                    > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
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                    > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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                    > > > > > >
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                    > > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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                    > > someone
                    > > > > who knows.
                    > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > ---------------------------------
                    > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                    > not
                    > > > web links.
                    > > > >
                    > > >
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                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ---------------------------------
                    > > Got a little couch potato?
                    > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                    > >
                    >
                  • Aideen McKenna
                    You re both close to Paradise, in more than one respect. Visionary does have a nicer ring than elderly , for some reason. _____ From:
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                      You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.

                      “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                       


                      From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                      Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                      To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                       

                      You bet. I like your vision.
                      How about, "A suggestion from
                      a visionary Canadian lady".

                      Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                      and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                      Thanks,

                      Jeff

                      --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                      <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:

                      >
                      > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                      movie
                      > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                      suggestion
                      > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                      > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com]
                      On Behalf Of
                      Jeff Belyea
                      > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                      > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                      > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                      > privately and we'll work out the details.
                      >
                      > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                      >
                      > --- In meditationsocietyof
                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > america@yahoogroups .com,
                      sean tremblay
                      > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                      > >
                      > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                      > >
                      > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                      > > "anointed") is a combination
                      > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                      > > anointed.
                      > >
                      > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > america@yahoogroups .com,
                      "Jeff Belyea"
                      > > <jeff@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > I like it. Maybe...
                      > > >
                      > > > the fly gets annointed.
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > america@yahoogroups .com,
                      sean tremblay
                      > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > fly in the ointment
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                      > > > in a "dialogue"
                      > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                      > > > > suggestions?
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > america@yahoogroups .com,
                      sean
                      > tremblay
                      > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                      > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay
                      co-writing a
                      > book.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Aideen
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > america@yahoogroups .com
                      > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > america@yahoogroups .com]
                      On Behalf
                      > Of
                      > > > Jeff
                      > > > > Belyea
                      > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                      > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > america@yahoogroups .com
                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of
                      w:st="on"> America ] The Facts of
                      Life
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                      > > > > > on many points, and much of
                      > > > > > what may seem like differing
                      > > > > > points of view are more a
                      > > > > > matter of semantics.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > The church (especially) and
                      > > > > > most religious traditions have
                      > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                      > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                      > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                      > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                      > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                      > > > > > religious view is the origin
                      > > > > > of just about all wars.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                      > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                      > > > > > something more like entrapment
                      > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Eat good food
                      > > > > > fall in love
                      > > > > > raise happy kids
                      > > > > > do meaningful work
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                      > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                      > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                      > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                      > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I think that there is a large
                      > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                      > > > > > School
                      of Philosophy ". Your writing
                      > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                      > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                      > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                      > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                      > > > > > use great analogies and very
                      > > > > > creative metaphors.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Love, as always,
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Jeff
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                      > > > > > would you?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                      > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                      > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                      > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                      > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                      > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                      > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                      > > > > > ...awakening.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                      > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                      > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                      > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                      > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                      > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                      > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                      > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                      > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                      > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > america@yahoogroups .com,
                      sean
                      > > tremblay
                      > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your
                      saying, I
                      also
                      > > know
                      > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without
                      seeing
                      > > > > expresion
                      > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I
                      have
                      > been
                      > > > > > trying to articulate that the
                      "Individuality" and
                      the "Soul"
                      > > and
                      > > > of
                      > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the
                      humanities most
                      > > > > important
                      > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the
                      only
                      > animal
                      > > in
                      > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                      > manifest
                      > > > and
                      > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or
                      Miles
                      > > Davis
                      > > > or
                      > > > > a
                      > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what
                      I
                      > believe
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at
                      time I sound
                      crass
                      > > it's
                      > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                      > > > > bit "Willfull"
                      > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy.
                      The
                      > > problem
                      > > > I
                      > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the
                      statement
                      is
                      > > all
                      > > > > to
                      > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala"
                      mentality that leads to
                      > > bomb
                      > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                      > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told
                      when I read of the
                      > same
                      > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole
                      karma
                      > let
                      > > > it
                      > > > > be
                      > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either
                      nor
                      did
                      > I
                      > > by
                      > > > > it
                      > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth
                      into
                      the
                      > > > land
                      > > > > of
                      > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If
                      you
                      are
                      > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose
                      I'm
                      on
                      > > > board.
                      > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone
                      elses.
                      > But
                      > > > what
                      > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will
                      for the
                      > > sake
                      > > > of
                      > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and
                      that
                      > > > person
                      > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                      > > > enlightenment
                      > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and
                      just
                      > > because
                      > > > > the
                      > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                      > language
                      > > > does
                      > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                      (Spiritualy)
                      > So
                      > > I
                      > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that
                      freedom
                      > > without
                      > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                      > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And
                      I for
                      one
                      > > do
                      > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the
                      term
                      > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                      > > > delusional.
                      > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                      > > > > > > Eat good food
                      > > > > > > fall in love
                      > > > > > > raise happy kids
                      > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                      > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                      > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                      > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                      > > > > > > communication between two different
                      > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                      > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                      > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                      > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                      > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                      > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                      > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                      > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                      > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                      > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                      > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                      > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                      > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                      > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                      > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                      > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                      > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                      > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                      > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                      > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                      > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                      > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                      > > > > > > something entirely different.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                      > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                      > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                      > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                      > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                      > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                      > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                      > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                      > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                      > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                      > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                      > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                      > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                      > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                      > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                      > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                      > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                      > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                      > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                      > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                      > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                      > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                      > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                      > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                      > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                      > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                      > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                      > > > > > > of existence.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Jeff
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > america@yahoogroups .com,
                      sean
                      > > > tremblay
                      > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free
                      will and self
                      > > > > > awareness,
                      > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                      > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                      > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ...
                      "Thy will be
                      > > > > > > done".
                      > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do
                      ... or can
                      > > > > > > > do!"
                      > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
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                      forecast
                      > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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                      > > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo!
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                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > >
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                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers
                      from
                      > > someone
                      > > > > who knows.
                      > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives
                      answers,
                      > not
                      > > > web links.
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                    • sean tremblay
                      I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia, I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the other block and write in
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                        I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                        Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                        You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.
                        “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                        From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                        Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                        To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                        Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                        You bet. I like your vision.
                        How about, "A suggestion from
                        a visionary Canadian lady".

                        Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                        and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                        Thanks,

                        Jeff

                        --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                        <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                        >
                        > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                        movie
                        > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                        suggestion
                        > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > _____
                        >
                        > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                        > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                        Jeff Belyea
                        > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                        > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                        > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                        > privately and we'll work out the details.
                        >
                        > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                        >
                        > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                        > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                        > >
                        > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                        > >
                        > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                        > > "anointed") is a combination
                        > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                        > > anointed.
                        > >
                        > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                        > > <jeff@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > I like it. Maybe...
                        > > >
                        > > > the fly gets annointed.
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                        > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > fly in the ointment
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                        > > > in a "dialogue"
                        > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                        > > > > suggestions?
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                        > tremblay
                        > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                        > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                        > book.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Aideen
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > america@yahoogroups .com
                        > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                        > Of
                        > > > Jeff
                        > > > > Belyea
                        > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                        > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > america@yahoogroups .com
                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                        Life
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                        > > > > > on many points, and much of
                        > > > > > what may seem like differing
                        > > > > > points of view are more a
                        > > > > > matter of semantics.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > The church (especially) and
                        > > > > > most religious traditions have
                        > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                        > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                        > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                        > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                        > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                        > > > > > religious view is the origin
                        > > > > > of just about all wars.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                        > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                        > > > > > something more like entrapment
                        > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Eat good food
                        > > > > > fall in love
                        > > > > > raise happy kids
                        > > > > > do meaningful work
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                        > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                        > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                        > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                        > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > I think that there is a large
                        > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                        > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                        > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                        > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                        > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                        > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                        > > > > > use great analogies and very
                        > > > > > creative metaphors.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Love, as always,
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Jeff
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                        > > > > > would you?
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                        > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                        > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                        > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                        > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                        > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                        > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                        > > > > > ...awakening.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                        > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                        > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                        > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                        > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                        > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                        > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                        > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                        > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                        > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                        > > tremblay
                        > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                        also
                        > > know
                        > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                        > > > > expresion
                        > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                        > been
                        > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                        the "Soul"
                        > > and
                        > > > of
                        > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                        > > > > important
                        > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                        > animal
                        > > in
                        > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                        > manifest
                        > > > and
                        > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                        > > Davis
                        > > > or
                        > > > > a
                        > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                        > believe
                        > > > the
                        > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                        crass
                        > > it's
                        > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                        > > > > bit "Willfull"
                        > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                        > > problem
                        > > > I
                        > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                        is
                        > > all
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                        > > bomb
                        > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                        > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                        > same
                        > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                        > let
                        > > > it
                        > > > > be
                        > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                        did
                        > I
                        > > by
                        > > > > it
                        > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                        the
                        > > > land
                        > > > > of
                        > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                        are
                        > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                        on
                        > > > board.
                        > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                        > But
                        > > > what
                        > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                        > > sake
                        > > > of
                        > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                        > > > person
                        > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                        > > > enlightenment
                        > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                        > > because
                        > > > > the
                        > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                        > language
                        > > > does
                        > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                        (Spiritualy)
                        > So
                        > > I
                        > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                        > > without
                        > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                        > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                        one
                        > > do
                        > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                        > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                        > > > delusional.
                        > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                        > > > > > > Eat good food
                        > > > > > > fall in love
                        > > > > > > raise happy kids
                        > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                        > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                        > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                        > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                        > > > > > > communication between two different
                        > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                        > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                        > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                        > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                        > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                        > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                        > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                        > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                        > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                        > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                        > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                        > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                        > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                        > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                        > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                        > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                        > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                        > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                        > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                        > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                        > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                        > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                        > > > > > > something entirely different.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                        > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                        > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                        > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                        > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                        > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                        > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                        > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                        > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                        > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                        > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                        > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                        > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                        > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                        > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                        > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                        > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                        > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                        > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                        > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                        > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                        > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                        > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                        > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                        > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                        > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                        > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                        > > > > > > of existence.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Jeff
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                        > > > tremblay
                        > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                        > > > > > awareness,
                        > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                        > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                        > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
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                      • Aideen McKenna
                        I m originally from Montreal, Quebec, where the name Tremblay was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory. I ve now
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                          I’m originally from Montreal , Quebec , where the name “Tremblay” was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory.

                          I’ve now lived on the west coast for more years than I was in Quebec , & I docilely fill in “Canadian”.  However … Quebec sometimes rather ferociously tries to separate & I can’t help but wish them well.  I’ll always feel homesick for the place.

                           


                          From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
                          Sent: June 1, 2007 7:09 PM
                          To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                           

                          I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia ,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                          Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:

                          You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.

                          “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.


                          From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                          Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                          To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                          Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                          You bet. I like your vision.
                          How about, "A suggestion from
                          a visionary Canadian lady".

                          Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                          and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                          Thanks,

                          Jeff

                          --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                          <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                          >
                          > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                          movie
                          > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                          suggestion
                          > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                          > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                          Jeff Belyea
                          > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                          > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                          > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                          > privately and we'll work out the details.
                          >
                          > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                          >
                          > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                          > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                          > >
                          > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                          > >
                          > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                          > > "anointed") is a combination
                          > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                          > > anointed.
                          > >
                          > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                          > > <jeff@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > I like it. Maybe...
                          > > >
                          > > > the fly gets annointed.
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                          > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > fly in the ointment
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                          > > > in a "dialogue"
                          > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                          > > > > suggestions?
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                          > tremblay
                          > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                          > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                          > book.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Aideen
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com
                          > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                          > Of
                          > > > Jeff
                          > > > > Belyea
                          > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                          > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com
                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                          Life
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                          > > > > > on many points, and much of
                          > > > > > what may seem like differing
                          > > > > > points of view are more a
                          > > > > > matter of semantics.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > The church (especially) and
                          > > > > > most religious traditions have
                          > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                          > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                          > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                          > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                          > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                          > > > > > religious view is the origin
                          > > > > > of just about all wars.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                          > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                          > > > > > something more like entrapment
                          > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Eat good food
                          > > > > > fall in love
                          > > > > > raise happy kids
                          > > > > > do meaningful work
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                          > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                          > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                          > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                          > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I think that there is a large
                          > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                          > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                          > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                          > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                          > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                          > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                          > > > > > use great analogies and very
                          > > > > > creative metaphors.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Love, as always,
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Jeff
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                          > > > > > would you?
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                          > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                          > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                          > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                          > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                          > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                          > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                          > > > > > ...awakening.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                          > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                          > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                          > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                          > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                          > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                          > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                          > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                          > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                          > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                          > > tremblay
                          > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                          also
                          > > know
                          > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                          > > > > expresion
                          > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                          > been
                          > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                          the "Soul"
                          > > and
                          > > > of
                          > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                          > > > > important
                          > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                          > animal
                          > > in
                          > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                          > manifest
                          > > > and
                          > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                          > > Davis
                          > > > or
                          > > > > a
                          > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                          > believe
                          > > > the
                          > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                          crass
                          > > it's
                          > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                          > > > > bit "Willfull"
                          > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                          > > problem
                          > > > I
                          > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                          is
                          > > all
                          > > > > to
                          > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                          > > bomb
                          > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                          > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                          > same
                          > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                          > let
                          > > > it
                          > > > > be
                          > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                          did
                          > I
                          > > by
                          > > > > it
                          > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                          the
                          > > > land
                          > > > > of
                          > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                          are
                          > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                          on
                          > > > board.
                          > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                          > But
                          > > > what
                          > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                          > > sake
                          > > > of
                          > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                          > > > person
                          > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                          > > > enlightenment
                          > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                          > > because
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                          > language
                          > > > does
                          > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                          (Spiritualy)
                          > So
                          > > I
                          > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                          > > without
                          > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                          > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                          one
                          > > do
                          > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                          > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                          > > > delusional.
                          > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                          > > > > > > Eat good food
                          > > > > > > fall in love
                          > > > > > > raise happy kids
                          > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                          > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                          > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                          > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                          > > > > > > communication between two different
                          > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                          > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                          > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                          > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                          > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                          > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                          > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                          > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                          > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                          > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                          > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                          > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                          > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                          > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                          > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                          > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                          > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                          > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                          > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                          > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                          > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                          > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                          > > > > > > something entirely different.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                          > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                          > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                          > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                          > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                          > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                          > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                          > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                          > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                          > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                          > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                          > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                          > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                          > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                          > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                          > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                          > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                          > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                          > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                          > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                          > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                          > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                          > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                          > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                          > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                          > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                          > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                          > > > > > > of existence.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Jeff
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                          > > > tremblay
                          > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                          > > > > > awareness,
                          > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
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                        • sean tremblay
                          My Grandfather Rene augustas Tremblay came from Quebec city and settled in Cape Elizebeth Maine in the late 30 s. According to family legend all Tremblay s
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                            My Grandfather Rene augustas Tremblay came from Quebec city and settled in Cape Elizebeth Maine in the late 30's.  According to family legend all Tremblay's decend from one Peirre Tremblay, who apperently was a very busy man when he arrived in Canada in the late 1600's.

                            Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                            I’m originally from Montreal , Quebec , where the name “Tremblay” was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory.
                            I’ve now lived on the west coast for more years than I was in Quebec , & I docilely fill in “Canadian”.  However … Quebec sometimes rather ferociously tries to separate & I can’t help but wish them well.  I’ll always feel homesick for the place.

                            From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
                            Sent: June 1, 2007 7:09 PM
                            To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                            Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                            I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia ,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                            Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:
                            You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.
                            “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                            From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                            Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                            To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                            Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                            You bet. I like your vision.
                            How about, "A suggestion from
                            a visionary Canadian lady".

                            Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                            and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                            Thanks,

                            Jeff

                            --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                            <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                            >
                            > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                            movie
                            > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                            suggestion
                            > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > _____
                            >
                            > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                            > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                            Jeff Belyea
                            > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                            > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                            > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                            > privately and we'll work out the details.
                            >
                            > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                            >
                            > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                            > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                            > >
                            > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                            > >
                            > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                            > > "anointed") is a combination
                            > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                            > > anointed.
                            > >
                            > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                            > > <jeff@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > I like it. Maybe...
                            > > >
                            > > > the fly gets annointed.
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                            > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > fly in the ointment
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                            > > > in a "dialogue"
                            > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                            > > > > suggestions?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                            > tremblay
                            > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                            > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                            > book.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Aideen
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com
                            > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                            > Of
                            > > > Jeff
                            > > > > Belyea
                            > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                            > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com
                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                            Life
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                            > > > > > on many points, and much of
                            > > > > > what may seem like differing
                            > > > > > points of view are more a
                            > > > > > matter of semantics.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > The church (especially) and
                            > > > > > most religious traditions have
                            > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                            > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                            > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                            > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                            > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                            > > > > > religious view is the origin
                            > > > > > of just about all wars.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                            > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                            > > > > > something more like entrapment
                            > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Eat good food
                            > > > > > fall in love
                            > > > > > raise happy kids
                            > > > > > do meaningful work
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                            > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                            > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                            > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                            > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > I think that there is a large
                            > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                            > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                            > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                            > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                            > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                            > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                            > > > > > use great analogies and very
                            > > > > > creative metaphors.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Love, as always,
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Jeff
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                            > > > > > would you?
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                            > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                            > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                            > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                            > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                            > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                            > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                            > > > > > ...awakening.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                            > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                            > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                            > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                            > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                            > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                            > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                            > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                            > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                            > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                            > > tremblay
                            > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                            also
                            > > know
                            > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                            > > > > expresion
                            > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                            > been
                            > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                            the "Soul"
                            > > and
                            > > > of
                            > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                            > > > > important
                            > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                            > animal
                            > > in
                            > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                            > manifest
                            > > > and
                            > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                            > > Davis
                            > > > or
                            > > > > a
                            > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                            > believe
                            > > > the
                            > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                            crass
                            > > it's
                            > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                            > > > > bit "Willfull"
                            > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                            > > problem
                            > > > I
                            > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                            is
                            > > all
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                            > > bomb
                            > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                            > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                            > same
                            > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                            > let
                            > > > it
                            > > > > be
                            > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                            did
                            > I
                            > > by
                            > > > > it
                            > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                            the
                            > > > land
                            > > > > of
                            > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                            are
                            > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                            on
                            > > > board.
                            > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                            > But
                            > > > what
                            > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                            > > sake
                            > > > of
                            > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                            > > > person
                            > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                            > > > enlightenment
                            > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                            > > because
                            > > > > the
                            > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                            > language
                            > > > does
                            > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                            (Spiritualy)
                            > So
                            > > I
                            > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                            > > without
                            > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                            > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                            one
                            > > do
                            > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                            > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                            > > > delusional.
                            > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                            > > > > > > Eat good food
                            > > > > > > fall in love
                            > > > > > > raise happy kids
                            > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                            > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                            > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                            > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                            > > > > > > communication between two different
                            > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                            > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                            > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                            > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                            > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                            > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                            > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                            > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                            > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                            > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                            > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                            > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                            > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                            > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                            > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                            > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                            > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                            > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                            > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                            > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                            > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                            > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                            > > > > > > something entirely different.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                            > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                            > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                            > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                            > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                            > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                            > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                            > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                            > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                            > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                            > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                            > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                            > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                            > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                            > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                            > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                            > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                            > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                            > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                            > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                            > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                            > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                            > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                            > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                            > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                            > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                            > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                            > > > > > > of existence.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Jeff
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                            > > > tremblay
                            > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                            > > > > > awareness,
                            > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                            > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                            > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                            > > > > > > done".
                            > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                            > > > > > > > do!"
                            > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                            > > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
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                          • medit8ionsociety
                            T The Facts of Life Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will
                            Message 13 of 26 , Apr 14 5:45 PM
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                              T

                              The Facts of Life

                               

                              Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                               

                              Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                               

                              Kir Li Molari

                               

                            • dan330033
                              Ends now. Dissolves now. So die now. And be ... ... T The Facts of Life Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your
                              Message 14 of 26 , Apr 16 1:13 PM
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                                Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                So die now.

                                And be ...


                                ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                T

                                The Facts of Life

                                 

                                Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                 

                                Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                 

                                Kir Li Molari

                                 

                              • medit8ionsociety
                                Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present! ... Ends now. Dissolves now. So die now. And be ... ... T The Facts of Life Your vision,
                                Message 15 of 26 , Apr 16 6:29 PM
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                                  Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present!


                                  ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <dan330033@...> wrote :

                                  Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                  So die now.

                                  And be ...


                                  ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                  T

                                  The Facts of Life

                                   

                                  Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                   

                                  Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                   

                                  Kir Li Molari

                                   

                                • dan330033
                                  Yes! This present involves no time. So, it includes everything we conventionally call past and future. The doesn t mean I know everything that ever
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Apr 18 10:44 AM
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                                    Yes!

                                    This present involves no time.

                                    So, it includes everything we conventionally call "past" and "future."

                                    The doesn't mean I know everything that ever happened or will happen.

                                    It means that I don't know anything, and don't need to.

                                    :-)


                                    Swami Satchitananda would approve, as this not-knowing-anything doesn't seem to be harming my health - at least what's left of it ...  :-)



                                    ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                    Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present!


                                    ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <dan330033@...> wrote :

                                    Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                    So die now.

                                    And be ...


                                    ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                    T

                                    The Facts of Life

                                     

                                    Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                     

                                    Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                     

                                    Kir Li Molari

                                     

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