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  • Aideen McKenna
    You know what would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book. Aideen _____ From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
    Message 1 of 26 , May 30 11:30 PM
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      You know what would be wonderful?  Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.

       

      Aideen

       


      From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
      Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
      To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of Life

       

      Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
      on many points, and much of
      what may seem like differing
      points of view are more a
      matter of semantics.

      The church (especially) and
      most religious traditions have
      become a train wreck of the
      authentic teacher's original
      teachings. Here, we absolutely
      agree. There's no fun in
      fundamentalism. The fanatic
      religious view is the origin
      of just about all wars.

      Yes, too bad that the term
      "Enlightenment" has fallen into
      something more like entrapment
      in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

      Your philosophy of:

      Eat good food
      fall in love
      raise happy kids
      do meaningful work

      is simply beautiful. There's
      an old Zen saying that goes
      something like, "Before awakening,
      chop wood, carry water. After
      awakening, chop wood, carry water."

      I think that there is a large
      audience for your "Scraped Knee
      School of Philosophy ". Your writing
      style is unique and very appealing.
      I hope that you continue to
      develop that gift (inheritance) .

      Do you keep a journal or write
      often? Considering a book? You
      use great analogies and very
      creative metaphors.

      Love, as always,

      Jeff

      PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

      1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
      would you?

      2. A suggested perspective:

      Think of the battles in the gita
      and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
      of the old testament or the tight-ass
      writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
      rather than physical battles - in terms
      of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
      the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
      ...awakening.

      3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
      I went through the door. One of the great
      failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
      is that they leave the seeker outside
      the door of awakening - leaving them
      frustrated or waiting for their "reward
      in heaven" - after they die. What
      unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
      bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
      before I pull out my soapbox.

      --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
      <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:

      >
      > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
      it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
      or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
      trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
      course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
      gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
      the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
      conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
      kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
      bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
      probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
      and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
      have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
      reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
      belts and kid nappings and so on and so
      > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
      sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
      trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
      from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
      canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
      talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
      as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
      realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
      enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
      may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
      this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
      pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
      not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
      disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
      will is a contradiction in terms! Try
      > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
      not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
      Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
      Good luck on your quest.
      > Eat good food
      > fall in love
      > raise happy kids
      > do meaningfull work
      >
      > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
      > Hi Sean -
      >
      > Yours is a reasonable response...
      > and it speaks to the difficulty -
      > or rather the impossibility of precise
      > communication between two different
      > levels of consciousness. (If you're
      > interested, David Hawkins' book
      > "Power vs Force" details his take
      > on levels of consciousness) .
      >
      > The realization that "everything
      > works under one law" does not negate
      > free will, it elevates it. We can
      > still choose between a cheeseburger
      > and baked scallops, and exercise
      > free will on the mundane level -
      > the trance level, or the level
      > that we've been social coerced
      > to accept as "all there is".
      >
      > But when nondual realization (by
      > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
      > through, the personal ego gives way
      > to the notion that the reasonsable
      > and rational "self awareness" is...
      > all there is to being alive.
      >
      > (Here's where precision of language
      > begins to be impossible) Instead,
      > personal self awareness is seen
      > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
      > (even called illusory in most
      > eastern traditions)
      >
      > Enlightened Self Awareness is
      > something entirely different.
      >
      > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
      > shifts our perspective from being
      > an isolated and independent "thinker",
      > to a oneness or wholeness in which
      > we now know that we are an "aspect"
      > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
      > eternal, field of consciousness.
      >
      > The personal ego necessarily
      > goes through the agony of complete
      > collapse - giving way to the new
      > realization that...hang on to your
      > hat...there is a power greater
      > than we are as individuals. And
      > this "power" is beyond anything
      > we formerly thought or imagined,
      > different from personal ego..yet
      > we are still a fully functional "part"
      > of this whole unified field.
      >
      > This realization brings incredible
      > joy and freedom - and enhanced
      > free will, without the "should I or
      > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
      > trusts completely in what "Is".
      > And that translates to a completely
      > free life, freedom from fear and
      > doubt, and trust in one's own
      > judgment (free will), because it is
      > known that the choices are "guided"
      > within the context of the whole
      > of existence.
      >
      > Jeff
      >
      > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
      sean tremblay
      > <bethjams9@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
      awareness,
      > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
      > >
      > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
      > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
      > done".
      > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
      > > do!"
      > > Kir Li Molari
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
      > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
      > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ------------ --------- --------- ---
      > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
      > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
      >

    • sean tremblay
      Thanks Aideen Aideen McKenna wrote: You know what would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book. Aideen
      Message 2 of 26 , May 31 5:14 AM
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        Thanks Aideen

        Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
        You know what would be wonderful?  Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
        Aideen

        From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
        Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
        To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
        Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of Life
        Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
        on many points, and much of
        what may seem like differing
        points of view are more a
        matter of semantics.

        The church (especially) and
        most religious traditions have
        become a train wreck of the
        authentic teacher's original
        teachings. Here, we absolutely
        agree. There's no fun in
        fundamentalism. The fanatic
        religious view is the origin
        of just about all wars.

        Yes, too bad that the term
        "Enlightenment" has fallen into
        something more like entrapment
        in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

        Your philosophy of:

        Eat good food
        fall in love
        raise happy kids
        do meaningful work

        is simply beautiful. There's
        an old Zen saying that goes
        something like, "Before awakening,
        chop wood, carry water. After
        awakening, chop wood, carry water."

        I think that there is a large
        audience for your "Scraped Knee
        School of Philosophy ". Your writing
        style is unique and very appealing.
        I hope that you continue to
        develop that gift (inheritance) .

        Do you keep a journal or write
        often? Considering a book? You
        use great analogies and very
        creative metaphors.

        Love, as always,

        Jeff

        PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

        1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
        would you?

        2. A suggested perspective:

        Think of the battles in the gita
        and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
        of the old testament or the tight-ass
        writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
        rather than physical battles - in terms
        of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
        the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
        ...awakening.

        3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
        I went through the door. One of the great
        failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
        is that they leave the seeker outside
        the door of awakening - leaving them
        frustrated or waiting for their "reward
        in heaven" - after they die. What
        unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
        bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
        before I pull out my soapbox.

        --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
        <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
        >
        > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
        it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
        or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
        trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
        course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
        gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
        the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
        conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
        kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
        bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
        probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
        and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
        have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
        reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
        belts and kid nappings and so on and so
        > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
        sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
        trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
        from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
        canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
        talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
        as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
        realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
        enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
        may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
        this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
        pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
        not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
        disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
        will is a contradiction in terms! Try
        > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
        not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
        Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
        Good luck on your quest.
        > Eat good food
        > fall in love
        > raise happy kids
        > do meaningfull work
        >
        > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
        > Hi Sean -
        >
        > Yours is a reasonable response...
        > and it speaks to the difficulty -
        > or rather the impossibility of precise
        > communication between two different
        > levels of consciousness. (If you're
        > interested, David Hawkins' book
        > "Power vs Force" details his take
        > on levels of consciousness) .
        >
        > The realization that "everything
        > works under one law" does not negate
        > free will, it elevates it. We can
        > still choose between a cheeseburger
        > and baked scallops, and exercise
        > free will on the mundane level -
        > the trance level, or the level
        > that we've been social coerced
        > to accept as "all there is".
        >
        > But when nondual realization (by
        > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
        > through, the personal ego gives way
        > to the notion that the reasonsable
        > and rational "self awareness" is...
        > all there is to being alive.
        >
        > (Here's where precision of language
        > begins to be impossible) Instead,
        > personal self awareness is seen
        > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
        > (even called illusory in most
        > eastern traditions)
        >
        > Enlightened Self Awareness is
        > something entirely different.
        >
        > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
        > shifts our perspective from being
        > an isolated and independent "thinker",
        > to a oneness or wholeness in which
        > we now know that we are an "aspect"
        > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
        > eternal, field of consciousness.
        >
        > The personal ego necessarily
        > goes through the agony of complete
        > collapse - giving way to the new
        > realization that...hang on to your
        > hat...there is a power greater
        > than we are as individuals. And
        > this "power" is beyond anything
        > we formerly thought or imagined,
        > different from personal ego..yet
        > we are still a fully functional "part"
        > of this whole unified field.
        >
        > This realization brings incredible
        > joy and freedom - and enhanced
        > free will, without the "should I or
        > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
        > trusts completely in what "Is".
        > And that translates to a completely
        > free life, freedom from fear and
        > doubt, and trust in one's own
        > judgment (free will), because it is
        > known that the choices are "guided"
        > within the context of the whole
        > of existence.
        >
        > Jeff
        >
        > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
        > <bethjams9@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
        awareness,
        > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
        > >
        > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
        > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
        > done".
        > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
        > > do!"
        > > Kir Li Molari
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
        > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
        > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------ --------- --------- ---
        > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
        > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
        >


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      • Jeff Belyea
        Interesting concept. Maybe in a dialogue format - like we are doing here. Any title suggestions? ... would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay
        Message 3 of 26 , May 31 7:21 AM
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          Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
          format - like we are doing here. Any title
          suggestions?

          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
          <bethjams9@...> wrote:
          >
          > Thanks Aideen
          >
          > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote: You know what
          would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
          >
          > Aideen
          >
          >
          > ---------------------------------
          >
          > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
          [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
          Belyea
          > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
          > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
          >
          >
          > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
          > on many points, and much of
          > what may seem like differing
          > points of view are more a
          > matter of semantics.
          >
          > The church (especially) and
          > most religious traditions have
          > become a train wreck of the
          > authentic teacher's original
          > teachings. Here, we absolutely
          > agree. There's no fun in
          > fundamentalism. The fanatic
          > religious view is the origin
          > of just about all wars.
          >
          > Yes, too bad that the term
          > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
          > something more like entrapment
          > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
          >
          > Your philosophy of:
          >
          > Eat good food
          > fall in love
          > raise happy kids
          > do meaningful work
          >
          > is simply beautiful. There's
          > an old Zen saying that goes
          > something like, "Before awakening,
          > chop wood, carry water. After
          > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
          >
          > I think that there is a large
          > audience for your "Scraped Knee
          > School of Philosophy". Your writing
          > style is unique and very appealing.
          > I hope that you continue to
          > develop that gift (inheritance).
          >
          > Do you keep a journal or write
          > often? Considering a book? You
          > use great analogies and very
          > creative metaphors.
          >
          > Love, as always,
          >
          > Jeff
          >
          > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
          >
          > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
          > would you?
          >
          > 2. A suggested perspective:
          >
          > Think of the battles in the gita
          > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
          > of the old testament or the tight-ass
          > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
          > rather than physical battles - in terms
          > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
          > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
          > ...awakening.
          >
          > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
          > I went through the door. One of the great
          > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
          > is that they leave the seeker outside
          > the door of awakening - leaving them
          > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
          > in heaven" - after they die. What
          > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
          > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
          > before I pull out my soapbox.
          >
          > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
          > <bethjams9@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
          > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
          expresion
          > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
          > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
          > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
          important
          > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
          > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
          > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
          a
          > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
          > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
          > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
          bit "Willfull"
          > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
          > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
          to
          > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
          > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
          > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
          > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
          be
          > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
          it
          > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
          of
          > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
          > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
          > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
          > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
          > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
          > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
          > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
          the
          > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
          > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
          > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
          > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
          > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
          > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
          > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
          > Good luck on your quest.
          > > Eat good food
          > > fall in love
          > > raise happy kids
          > > do meaningfull work
          > >
          > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
          > > Hi Sean -
          > >
          > > Yours is a reasonable response...
          > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
          > > or rather the impossibility of precise
          > > communication between two different
          > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
          > > interested, David Hawkins' book
          > > "Power vs Force" details his take
          > > on levels of consciousness).
          > >
          > > The realization that "everything
          > > works under one law" does not negate
          > > free will, it elevates it. We can
          > > still choose between a cheeseburger
          > > and baked scallops, and exercise
          > > free will on the mundane level -
          > > the trance level, or the level
          > > that we've been social coerced
          > > to accept as "all there is".
          > >
          > > But when nondual realization (by
          > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
          > > through, the personal ego gives way
          > > to the notion that the reasonsable
          > > and rational "self awareness" is...
          > > all there is to being alive.
          > >
          > > (Here's where precision of language
          > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
          > > personal self awareness is seen
          > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
          > > (even called illusory in most
          > > eastern traditions)
          > >
          > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
          > > something entirely different.
          > >
          > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
          > > shifts our perspective from being
          > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
          > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
          > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
          > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
          > > eternal, field of consciousness.
          > >
          > > The personal ego necessarily
          > > goes through the agony of complete
          > > collapse - giving way to the new
          > > realization that...hang on to your
          > > hat...there is a power greater
          > > than we are as individuals. And
          > > this "power" is beyond anything
          > > we formerly thought or imagined,
          > > different from personal ego..yet
          > > we are still a fully functional "part"
          > > of this whole unified field.
          > >
          > > This realization brings incredible
          > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
          > > free will, without the "should I or
          > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
          > > trusts completely in what "Is".
          > > And that translates to a completely
          > > free life, freedom from fear and
          > > doubt, and trust in one's own
          > > judgment (free will), because it is
          > > known that the choices are "guided"
          > > within the context of the whole
          > > of existence.
          > >
          > > Jeff
          > >
          > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
          > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
          > awareness,
          > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
          > > >
          > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
          > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
          > > done".
          > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
          > > > do!"
          > > > Kir Li Molari
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > ---------------------------------
          > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
          > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
          > > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ---------------------------------
          > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
          > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ---------------------------------
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          who knows.
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        • sean tremblay
          fly in the ointment Jeff Belyea wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe in a dialogue format - like we are doing here. Any title
          Message 4 of 26 , May 31 8:18 PM
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            fly in the ointment

            Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
            Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
            format - like we are doing here. Any title
            suggestions?

            --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
            <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
            >
            > Thanks Aideen
            >
            > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@. ..> wrote: You know what
            would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
            >
            > Aideen
            >
            >
            > ------------ --------- --------- ---
            >
            > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
            [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
            Belyea
            > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
            > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
            > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
            >
            >
            > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
            > on many points, and much of
            > what may seem like differing
            > points of view are more a
            > matter of semantics.
            >
            > The church (especially) and
            > most religious traditions have
            > become a train wreck of the
            > authentic teacher's original
            > teachings. Here, we absolutely
            > agree. There's no fun in
            > fundamentalism. The fanatic
            > religious view is the origin
            > of just about all wars.
            >
            > Yes, too bad that the term
            > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
            > something more like entrapment
            > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
            >
            > Your philosophy of:
            >
            > Eat good food
            > fall in love
            > raise happy kids
            > do meaningful work
            >
            > is simply beautiful. There's
            > an old Zen saying that goes
            > something like, "Before awakening,
            > chop wood, carry water. After
            > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
            >
            > I think that there is a large
            > audience for your "Scraped Knee
            > School of Philosophy". Your writing
            > style is unique and very appealing.
            > I hope that you continue to
            > develop that gift (inheritance) .
            >
            > Do you keep a journal or write
            > often? Considering a book? You
            > use great analogies and very
            > creative metaphors.
            >
            > Love, as always,
            >
            > Jeff
            >
            > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
            >
            > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
            > would you?
            >
            > 2. A suggested perspective:
            >
            > Think of the battles in the gita
            > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
            > of the old testament or the tight-ass
            > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
            > rather than physical battles - in terms
            > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
            > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
            > ...awakening.
            >
            > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
            > I went through the door. One of the great
            > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
            > is that they leave the seeker outside
            > the door of awakening - leaving them
            > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
            > in heaven" - after they die. What
            > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
            > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
            > before I pull out my soapbox.
            >
            > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
            > <bethjams9@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
            > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
            expresion
            > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
            > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
            > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
            important
            > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
            > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
            > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
            a
            > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
            > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
            > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
            bit "Willfull"
            > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
            > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
            to
            > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
            > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
            > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
            > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
            be
            > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
            it
            > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
            of
            > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
            > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
            > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
            > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
            > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
            > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
            > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
            the
            > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
            > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
            > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
            > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
            > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
            > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
            > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
            > Good luck on your quest.
            > > Eat good food
            > > fall in love
            > > raise happy kids
            > > do meaningfull work
            > >
            > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
            > > Hi Sean -
            > >
            > > Yours is a reasonable response...
            > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
            > > or rather the impossibility of precise
            > > communication between two different
            > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
            > > interested, David Hawkins' book
            > > "Power vs Force" details his take
            > > on levels of consciousness) .
            > >
            > > The realization that "everything
            > > works under one law" does not negate
            > > free will, it elevates it. We can
            > > still choose between a cheeseburger
            > > and baked scallops, and exercise
            > > free will on the mundane level -
            > > the trance level, or the level
            > > that we've been social coerced
            > > to accept as "all there is".
            > >
            > > But when nondual realization (by
            > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
            > > through, the personal ego gives way
            > > to the notion that the reasonsable
            > > and rational "self awareness" is...
            > > all there is to being alive.
            > >
            > > (Here's where precision of language
            > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
            > > personal self awareness is seen
            > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
            > > (even called illusory in most
            > > eastern traditions)
            > >
            > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
            > > something entirely different.
            > >
            > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
            > > shifts our perspective from being
            > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
            > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
            > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
            > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
            > > eternal, field of consciousness.
            > >
            > > The personal ego necessarily
            > > goes through the agony of complete
            > > collapse - giving way to the new
            > > realization that...hang on to your
            > > hat...there is a power greater
            > > than we are as individuals. And
            > > this "power" is beyond anything
            > > we formerly thought or imagined,
            > > different from personal ego..yet
            > > we are still a fully functional "part"
            > > of this whole unified field.
            > >
            > > This realization brings incredible
            > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
            > > free will, without the "should I or
            > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
            > > trusts completely in what "Is".
            > > And that translates to a completely
            > > free life, freedom from fear and
            > > doubt, and trust in one's own
            > > judgment (free will), because it is
            > > known that the choices are "guided"
            > > within the context of the whole
            > > of existence.
            > >
            > > Jeff
            > >
            > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
            > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
            > awareness,
            > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
            > > >
            > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
            > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
            > > done".
            > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
            > > > do!"
            > > > Kir Li Molari
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
            > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
            > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
            > > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
            > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
            > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ------------ --------- --------- ---
            > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
            who knows.
            > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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          • Jeff Belyea
            I like it. Maybe... the fly gets annointed. ... in a dialogue ... Jeff ... of ... and ... or ... the ... I ... it ... land ... board. ... what ... of ...
            Message 5 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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              I like it. Maybe...

              the fly gets annointed.

              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
              <bethjams9@...> wrote:
              >
              > fly in the ointment
              >
              > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
              in a "dialogue"
              > format - like we are doing here. Any title
              > suggestions?
              >
              > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
              > <bethjams9@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Thanks Aideen
              > >
              > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
              > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
              > >
              > > Aideen
              > >
              > >
              > > ---------------------------------
              > >
              > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
              > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
              Jeff
              > Belyea
              > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
              > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
              > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
              > >
              > >
              > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
              > > on many points, and much of
              > > what may seem like differing
              > > points of view are more a
              > > matter of semantics.
              > >
              > > The church (especially) and
              > > most religious traditions have
              > > become a train wreck of the
              > > authentic teacher's original
              > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
              > > agree. There's no fun in
              > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
              > > religious view is the origin
              > > of just about all wars.
              > >
              > > Yes, too bad that the term
              > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
              > > something more like entrapment
              > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
              > >
              > > Your philosophy of:
              > >
              > > Eat good food
              > > fall in love
              > > raise happy kids
              > > do meaningful work
              > >
              > > is simply beautiful. There's
              > > an old Zen saying that goes
              > > something like, "Before awakening,
              > > chop wood, carry water. After
              > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
              > >
              > > I think that there is a large
              > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
              > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
              > > style is unique and very appealing.
              > > I hope that you continue to
              > > develop that gift (inheritance).
              > >
              > > Do you keep a journal or write
              > > often? Considering a book? You
              > > use great analogies and very
              > > creative metaphors.
              > >
              > > Love, as always,
              > >
              > > Jeff
              > >
              > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
              > >
              > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
              > > would you?
              > >
              > > 2. A suggested perspective:
              > >
              > > Think of the battles in the gita
              > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
              > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
              > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
              > > rather than physical battles - in terms
              > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
              > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
              > > ...awakening.
              > >
              > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
              > > I went through the door. One of the great
              > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
              > > is that they leave the seeker outside
              > > the door of awakening - leaving them
              > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
              > > in heaven" - after they die. What
              > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
              > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
              > > before I pull out my soapbox.
              > >
              > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
              > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
              > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
              > expresion
              > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
              > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and
              of
              > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
              > important
              > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
              > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
              and
              > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis
              or
              > a
              > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
              the
              > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
              > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
              > bit "Willfull"
              > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem
              I
              > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
              > to
              > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
              > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
              > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
              > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
              it
              > be
              > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
              > it
              > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
              land
              > of
              > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
              > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
              board.
              > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
              what
              > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake
              of
              > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
              person
              > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
              enlightenment
              > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
              > the
              > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
              does
              > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
              > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
              > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
              > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
              > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
              > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
              delusional.
              > > Good luck on your quest.
              > > > Eat good food
              > > > fall in love
              > > > raise happy kids
              > > > do meaningfull work
              > > >
              > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
              > > > Hi Sean -
              > > >
              > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
              > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
              > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
              > > > communication between two different
              > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
              > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
              > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
              > > > on levels of consciousness).
              > > >
              > > > The realization that "everything
              > > > works under one law" does not negate
              > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
              > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
              > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
              > > > free will on the mundane level -
              > > > the trance level, or the level
              > > > that we've been social coerced
              > > > to accept as "all there is".
              > > >
              > > > But when nondual realization (by
              > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
              > > > through, the personal ego gives way
              > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
              > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
              > > > all there is to being alive.
              > > >
              > > > (Here's where precision of language
              > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
              > > > personal self awareness is seen
              > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
              > > > (even called illusory in most
              > > > eastern traditions)
              > > >
              > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
              > > > something entirely different.
              > > >
              > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
              > > > shifts our perspective from being
              > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
              > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
              > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
              > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
              > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
              > > >
              > > > The personal ego necessarily
              > > > goes through the agony of complete
              > > > collapse - giving way to the new
              > > > realization that...hang on to your
              > > > hat...there is a power greater
              > > > than we are as individuals. And
              > > > this "power" is beyond anything
              > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
              > > > different from personal ego..yet
              > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
              > > > of this whole unified field.
              > > >
              > > > This realization brings incredible
              > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
              > > > free will, without the "should I or
              > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
              > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
              > > > And that translates to a completely
              > > > free life, freedom from fear and
              > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
              > > > judgment (free will), because it is
              > > > known that the choices are "guided"
              > > > within the context of the whole
              > > > of existence.
              > > >
              > > > Jeff
              > > >
              > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
              tremblay
              > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
              > > awareness,
              > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
              > > > >
              > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
              > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
              > > > done".
              > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
              > > > > do!"
              > > > > Kir Li Molari
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > ---------------------------------
              > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
              > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
              > > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ---------------------------------
              > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
              > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
              > > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ---------------------------------
              > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
              > who knows.
              > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ---------------------------------
              > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
              web links.
              >
            • Jeff Belyea
              Just for clarification: Annointed (usally spelled anointed ) is a combination word, meaning - annoyed and anointed. ... tremblay ... know ... and ... in ...
              Message 6 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                Just for clarification:

                "Annointed" (usally spelled
                "anointed") is a combination
                word, meaning - annoyed and
                anointed.

                --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                <jeff@...> wrote:
                >
                > I like it. Maybe...
                >
                > the fly gets annointed.
                >
                > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > >
                > > fly in the ointment
                > >
                > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                > in a "dialogue"
                > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                > > suggestions?
                > >
                > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Thanks Aideen
                > > >
                > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                > > >
                > > > Aideen
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ---------------------------------
                > > >
                > > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                > > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                > Jeff
                > > Belyea
                > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                > > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                > > > on many points, and much of
                > > > what may seem like differing
                > > > points of view are more a
                > > > matter of semantics.
                > > >
                > > > The church (especially) and
                > > > most religious traditions have
                > > > become a train wreck of the
                > > > authentic teacher's original
                > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                > > > agree. There's no fun in
                > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                > > > religious view is the origin
                > > > of just about all wars.
                > > >
                > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                > > > something more like entrapment
                > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                > > >
                > > > Your philosophy of:
                > > >
                > > > Eat good food
                > > > fall in love
                > > > raise happy kids
                > > > do meaningful work
                > > >
                > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                > > >
                > > > I think that there is a large
                > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                > > > I hope that you continue to
                > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                > > >
                > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                > > > often? Considering a book? You
                > > > use great analogies and very
                > > > creative metaphors.
                > > >
                > > > Love, as always,
                > > >
                > > > Jeff
                > > >
                > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                > > >
                > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                > > > would you?
                > > >
                > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                > > >
                > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                > > > ...awakening.
                > > >
                > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                > > >
                > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                tremblay
                > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                know
                > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                > > expresion
                > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                and
                > of
                > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                > > important
                > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
                in
                > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
                > and
                > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                Davis
                > or
                > > a
                > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
                > the
                > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                it's
                > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                > > bit "Willfull"
                > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                problem
                > I
                > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                all
                > > to
                > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                bomb
                > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
                > it
                > > be
                > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
                by
                > > it
                > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                > land
                > > of
                > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                > board.
                > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
                > what
                > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                sake
                > of
                > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                > person
                > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                > enlightenment
                > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                because
                > > the
                > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
                > does
                > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
                I
                > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                without
                > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                do
                > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                > delusional.
                > > > Good luck on your quest.
                > > > > Eat good food
                > > > > fall in love
                > > > > raise happy kids
                > > > > do meaningfull work
                > > > >
                > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                > > > > Hi Sean -
                > > > >
                > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                > > > > communication between two different
                > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                > > > >
                > > > > The realization that "everything
                > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                > > > > the trance level, or the level
                > > > > that we've been social coerced
                > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                > > > >
                > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                > > > > all there is to being alive.
                > > > >
                > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                > > > > (even called illusory in most
                > > > > eastern traditions)
                > > > >
                > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                > > > > something entirely different.
                > > > >
                > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                > > > >
                > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                > > > > of this whole unified field.
                > > > >
                > > > > This realization brings incredible
                > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                > > > > And that translates to a completely
                > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                > > > > within the context of the whole
                > > > > of existence.
                > > > >
                > > > > Jeff
                > > > >
                > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                > tremblay
                > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                > > > awareness,
                > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                > > > > >
                > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                > > > > done".
                > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                > > > > > do!"
                > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > ---------------------------------
                > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > ---------------------------------
                > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ---------------------------------
                > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                someone
                > > who knows.
                > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ---------------------------------
                > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
                > web links.
                > >
                >
              • sean tremblay
                I dig it, maybe there s a publisher in the chat group Jeff Belyea wrote: Just for clarification: Annointed (usally spelled
                Message 7 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                  I dig it,  maybe there's a publisher in the chat group

                  Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                  Just for clarification:

                  "Annointed" (usally spelled
                  "anointed") is a combination
                  word, meaning - annoyed and
                  anointed.

                  --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                  <jeff@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > I like it. Maybe...
                  >
                  > the fly gets annointed.
                  >
                  > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                  > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > fly in the ointment
                  > >
                  > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                  > in a "dialogue"
                  > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                  > > suggestions?
                  > >
                  > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                  > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks Aideen
                  > > >
                  > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                  > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                  > > >
                  > > > Aideen
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                  > > >
                  > > > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                  > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                  > Jeff
                  > > Belyea
                  > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                  > > > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                  > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                  > > > on many points, and much of
                  > > > what may seem like differing
                  > > > points of view are more a
                  > > > matter of semantics.
                  > > >
                  > > > The church (especially) and
                  > > > most religious traditions have
                  > > > become a train wreck of the
                  > > > authentic teacher's original
                  > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                  > > > agree. There's no fun in
                  > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                  > > > religious view is the origin
                  > > > of just about all wars.
                  > > >
                  > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                  > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                  > > > something more like entrapment
                  > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                  > > >
                  > > > Your philosophy of:
                  > > >
                  > > > Eat good food
                  > > > fall in love
                  > > > raise happy kids
                  > > > do meaningful work
                  > > >
                  > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                  > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                  > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                  > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                  > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                  > > >
                  > > > I think that there is a large
                  > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                  > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                  > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                  > > > I hope that you continue to
                  > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                  > > >
                  > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                  > > > often? Considering a book? You
                  > > > use great analogies and very
                  > > > creative metaphors.
                  > > >
                  > > > Love, as always,
                  > > >
                  > > > Jeff
                  > > >
                  > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                  > > >
                  > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                  > > > would you?
                  > > >
                  > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                  > > >
                  > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                  > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                  > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                  > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                  > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                  > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                  > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                  > > > ...awakening.
                  > > >
                  > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                  > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                  > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                  > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                  > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                  > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                  > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                  > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                  > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                  > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                  tremblay
                  > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                  know
                  > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                  > > expresion
                  > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                  > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                  and
                  > of
                  > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                  > > important
                  > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
                  in
                  > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
                  > and
                  > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                  Davis
                  > or
                  > > a
                  > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
                  > the
                  > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                  it's
                  > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                  > > bit "Willfull"
                  > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                  problem
                  > I
                  > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                  all
                  > > to
                  > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                  bomb
                  > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                  > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                  > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
                  > it
                  > > be
                  > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
                  by
                  > > it
                  > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                  > land
                  > > of
                  > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                  > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                  > board.
                  > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
                  > what
                  > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                  sake
                  > of
                  > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                  > person
                  > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                  > enlightenment
                  > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                  because
                  > > the
                  > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
                  > does
                  > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
                  I
                  > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                  without
                  > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                  > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                  do
                  > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                  > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                  > delusional.
                  > > > Good luck on your quest.
                  > > > > Eat good food
                  > > > > fall in love
                  > > > > raise happy kids
                  > > > > do meaningfull work
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                  > > > > Hi Sean -
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                  > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                  > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                  > > > > communication between two different
                  > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                  > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                  > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                  > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                  > > > >
                  > > > > The realization that "everything
                  > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                  > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                  > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                  > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                  > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                  > > > > the trance level, or the level
                  > > > > that we've been social coerced
                  > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                  > > > >
                  > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                  > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                  > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                  > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                  > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                  > > > > all there is to being alive.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                  > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                  > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                  > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                  > > > > (even called illusory in most
                  > > > > eastern traditions)
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                  > > > > something entirely different.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                  > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                  > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                  > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                  > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                  > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                  > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                  > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                  > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                  > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                  > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                  > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                  > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                  > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                  > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                  > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                  > > > > of this whole unified field.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > This realization brings incredible
                  > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                  > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                  > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                  > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                  > > > > And that translates to a completely
                  > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                  > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                  > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                  > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                  > > > > within the context of the whole
                  > > > > of existence.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Jeff
                  > > > >
                  > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                  > tremblay
                  > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                  > > > awareness,
                  > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                  > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                  > > > > done".
                  > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                  > > > > > do!"
                  > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                  > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                  > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                  > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                  > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                  > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                  someone
                  > > who knows.
                  > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                  > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
                  > web links.
                  > >
                  >



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                • Jeff Belyea
                  Sean - I have a publisher. Email me privately and we ll work out the details. jeff@mindgoal.com ... tremblay ... book. ... Of ... been ... animal ... manifest
                  Message 8 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                    Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                    privately and we'll work out the details.

                    jeff@...

                    --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                    <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                    >
                    > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Just for clarification:
                    >
                    > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                    > "anointed") is a combination
                    > word, meaning - annoyed and
                    > anointed.
                    >
                    > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                    > <jeff@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > I like it. Maybe...
                    > >
                    > > the fly gets annointed.
                    > >
                    > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                    > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > fly in the ointment
                    > > >
                    > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                    > > in a "dialogue"
                    > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                    > > > suggestions?
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                    tremblay
                    > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Thanks Aideen
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                    > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                    book.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Aideen
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > ---------------------------------
                    > > > >
                    > > > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                    Of
                    > > Jeff
                    > > > Belyea
                    > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                    > > > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                    > > > > on many points, and much of
                    > > > > what may seem like differing
                    > > > > points of view are more a
                    > > > > matter of semantics.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > The church (especially) and
                    > > > > most religious traditions have
                    > > > > become a train wreck of the
                    > > > > authentic teacher's original
                    > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                    > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                    > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                    > > > > religious view is the origin
                    > > > > of just about all wars.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                    > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                    > > > > something more like entrapment
                    > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Your philosophy of:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Eat good food
                    > > > > fall in love
                    > > > > raise happy kids
                    > > > > do meaningful work
                    > > > >
                    > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                    > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                    > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                    > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                    > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I think that there is a large
                    > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                    > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                    > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                    > > > > I hope that you continue to
                    > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                    > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                    > > > > use great analogies and very
                    > > > > creative metaphors.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Love, as always,
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Jeff
                    > > > >
                    > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                    > > > > would you?
                    > > > >
                    > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                    > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                    > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                    > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                    > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                    > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                    > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                    > > > > ...awakening.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                    > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                    > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                    > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                    > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                    > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                    > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                    > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                    > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                    > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                    > tremblay
                    > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                    > know
                    > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                    > > > expresion
                    > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                    been
                    > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                    > and
                    > > of
                    > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                    > > > important
                    > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                    animal
                    > in
                    > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                    manifest
                    > > and
                    > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                    > Davis
                    > > or
                    > > > a
                    > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                    believe
                    > > the
                    > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                    > it's
                    > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                    > > > bit "Willfull"
                    > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                    > problem
                    > > I
                    > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                    > all
                    > > > to
                    > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                    > bomb
                    > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                    > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                    same
                    > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                    let
                    > > it
                    > > > be
                    > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did
                    I
                    > by
                    > > > it
                    > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                    > > land
                    > > > of
                    > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                    > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                    > > board.
                    > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                    But
                    > > what
                    > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                    > sake
                    > > of
                    > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                    > > person
                    > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                    > > enlightenment
                    > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                    > because
                    > > > the
                    > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                    language
                    > > does
                    > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy)
                    So
                    > I
                    > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                    > without
                    > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                    > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                    > do
                    > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                    > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                    > > delusional.
                    > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                    > > > > > Eat good food
                    > > > > > fall in love
                    > > > > > raise happy kids
                    > > > > > do meaningfull work
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                    > > > > > Hi Sean -
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                    > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                    > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                    > > > > > communication between two different
                    > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                    > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                    > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                    > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > The realization that "everything
                    > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                    > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                    > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                    > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                    > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                    > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                    > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                    > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                    > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                    > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                    > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                    > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                    > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                    > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                    > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                    > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                    > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                    > > > > > eastern traditions)
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                    > > > > > something entirely different.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                    > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                    > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                    > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                    > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                    > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                    > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                    > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                    > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                    > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                    > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                    > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                    > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                    > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                    > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                    > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                    > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                    > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                    > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                    > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                    > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                    > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                    > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                    > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                    > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                    > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                    > > > > > within the context of the whole
                    > > > > > of existence.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Jeff
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                    > > tremblay
                    > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                    > > > > awareness,
                    > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                    > > > > > done".
                    > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                    > > > > > > do!"
                    > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > ---------------------------------
                    > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                    > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > ---------------------------------
                    > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                    > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > ---------------------------------
                    > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                    > someone
                    > > > who knows.
                    > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ---------------------------------
                    > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                    not
                    > > web links.
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ---------------------------------
                    > Got a little couch potato?
                    > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                    >
                  • Aideen McKenna
                    When you two are on Oprah discussing your smash about-to-be-a-movie bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a suggestion from some
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                      When you two are on “Oprah” discussing your smash about-to-be-a-movie bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a suggestion from some elderly Canadian lady.

                       


                      From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                      Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                      To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                       

                      Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                      privately and we'll work out the details.

                      jeff@mindgoal. com

                      --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                      <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:

                      >
                      > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                      >
                      > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Just for clarification:
                      >
                      > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                      > "anointed") is a combination
                      > word, meaning - annoyed and
                      > anointed.
                      >
                      > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                      "Jeff Belyea"
                      > <jeff@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > I like it. Maybe...
                      > >
                      > > the fly gets annointed.
                      > >
                      > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                      sean tremblay
                      > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > fly in the ointment
                      > > >
                      > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                      > > in a "dialogue"
                      > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                      > > > suggestions?
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In
                      href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                      tremblay
                      > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Thanks Aideen
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                      > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                      book.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Aideen
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > > >
                      > > > > From:
                      href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                      > > > [mailto:
                      href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf
                      Of
                      > > Jeff
                      > > > Belyea
                      > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                      > > > > To:
                      href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                      > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of
                      w:st="on"> America ] The Facts of Life
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                      > > > > on many points, and much of
                      > > > > what may seem like differing
                      > > > > points of view are more a
                      > > > > matter of semantics.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > The church (especially) and
                      > > > > most religious traditions have
                      > > > > become a train wreck of the
                      > > > > authentic teacher's original
                      > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                      > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                      > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                      > > > > religious view is the origin
                      > > > > of just about all wars.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                      > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                      > > > > something more like entrapment
                      > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Your philosophy of:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Eat good food
                      > > > > fall in love
                      > > > > raise happy kids
                      > > > > do meaningful work
                      > > > >
                      > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                      > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                      > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                      > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                      > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I think that there is a large
                      > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                      > > > > School
                      of Philosophy ". Your writing
                      > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                      > > > > I hope that you continue to
                      > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                      > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                      > > > > use great analogies and very
                      > > > > creative metaphors.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Love, as always,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Jeff
                      > > > >
                      > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                      > > > > would you?
                      > > > >
                      > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                      > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                      > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                      > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                      > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                      > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                      > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                      > > > > ...awakening.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                      > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                      > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                      > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                      > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                      > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                      > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                      > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                      > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                      > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --- In
                      href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                      > tremblay
                      > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                      also
                      > know
                      > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                      > > > expresion
                      > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                      been
                      > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                      the "Soul"
                      > and
                      > > of
                      > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the
                      humanities most
                      > > > important
                      > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                      animal
                      > in
                      > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                      manifest
                      > > and
                      > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                      > Davis
                      > > or
                      > > > a
                      > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                      believe
                      > > the
                      > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I
                      sound crass
                      > it's
                      > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                      > > > bit "Willfull"
                      > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                      > problem
                      > > I
                      > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                      is
                      > all
                      > > > to
                      > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality
                      that leads to
                      > bomb
                      > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                      > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I
                      read of the
                      same
                      > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                      let
                      > > it
                      > > > be
                      > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                      did
                      I
                      > by
                      > > > it
                      > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                      the
                      > > land
                      > > > of
                      > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                      are
                      > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                      on
                      > > board.
                      > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                      But
                      > > what
                      > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                      > sake
                      > > of
                      > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                      > > person
                      > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                      > > enlightenment
                      > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                      > because
                      > > > the
                      > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                      language
                      > > does
                      > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                      (Spiritualy)
                      So
                      > I
                      > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                      > without
                      > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                      > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I
                      for one
                      > do
                      > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                      > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                      > > delusional.
                      > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                      > > > > > Eat good food
                      > > > > > fall in love
                      > > > > > raise happy kids
                      > > > > > do meaningfull work
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                      > > > > > Hi Sean -
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                      > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                      > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                      > > > > > communication between two different
                      > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                      > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                      > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                      > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > The realization that "everything
                      > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                      > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                      > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                      > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                      > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                      > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                      > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                      > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                      > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                      > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                      > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                      > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                      > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                      > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                      > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                      > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                      > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                      > > > > > eastern traditions)
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                      > > > > > something entirely different.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                      > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                      > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                      > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                      > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                      > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                      > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                      > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                      > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                      > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                      > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                      > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                      > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                      > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                      > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                      > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                      > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                      > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                      > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                      > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                      > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                      > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                      > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                      > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                      > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                      > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                      > > > > > within the context of the whole
                      > > > > > of existence.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Jeff
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > --- In
                      href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                      > > tremblay
                      > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will
                      and self
                      > > > > awareness,
                      > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <
                      href="mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com">no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                      > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ...
                      "Thy will be
                      > > > > > done".
                      > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or
                      can
                      > > > > > > do!"
                      > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the
                      forecast
                      > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                      > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                      > someone
                      > > > who knows.
                      > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                      not
                      > > web links.
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > Got a little couch potato?
                      > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                      >

                    • Jeff Belyea
                      You bet. I like your vision. How about, A suggestion from a visionary Canadian lady . Sean is in Maine (close to Canada), and I m in Florida (close to
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                        You bet. I like your vision.
                        How about, "A suggestion from
                        a visionary Canadian lady".

                        Sean is in Maine (close to Canada),
                        and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise).

                        Thanks,

                        Jeff

                        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                        <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be-a-
                        movie
                        > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                        suggestion
                        > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > _____
                        >
                        > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                        > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                        Jeff Belyea
                        > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                        > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                        > privately and we'll work out the details.
                        >
                        > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff%40mindgoal.com> com
                        >
                        > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                        > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                        > >
                        > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                        > >
                        > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                        > > "anointed") is a combination
                        > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                        > > anointed.
                        > >
                        > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > america@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                        > > <jeff@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > I like it. Maybe...
                        > > >
                        > > > the fly gets annointed.
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                        > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > fly in the ointment
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                        > > > in a "dialogue"
                        > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                        > > > > suggestions?
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                        > tremblay
                        > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                        > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                        > book.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Aideen
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > america@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > america@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                        > Of
                        > > > Jeff
                        > > > > Belyea
                        > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                        > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > america@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of
                        Life
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                        > > > > > on many points, and much of
                        > > > > > what may seem like differing
                        > > > > > points of view are more a
                        > > > > > matter of semantics.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > The church (especially) and
                        > > > > > most religious traditions have
                        > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                        > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                        > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                        > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                        > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                        > > > > > religious view is the origin
                        > > > > > of just about all wars.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                        > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                        > > > > > something more like entrapment
                        > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Eat good food
                        > > > > > fall in love
                        > > > > > raise happy kids
                        > > > > > do meaningful work
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                        > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                        > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                        > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                        > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > I think that there is a large
                        > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                        > > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                        > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                        > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                        > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                        > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                        > > > > > use great analogies and very
                        > > > > > creative metaphors.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Love, as always,
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Jeff
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                        > > > > > would you?
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                        > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                        > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                        > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                        > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                        > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                        > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                        > > > > > ...awakening.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                        > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                        > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                        > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                        > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                        > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                        > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                        > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                        > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                        > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                        > > tremblay
                        > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                        also
                        > > know
                        > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                        > > > > expresion
                        > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                        > been
                        > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                        the "Soul"
                        > > and
                        > > > of
                        > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                        > > > > important
                        > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                        > animal
                        > > in
                        > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                        > manifest
                        > > > and
                        > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                        > > Davis
                        > > > or
                        > > > > a
                        > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                        > believe
                        > > > the
                        > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                        crass
                        > > it's
                        > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                        > > > > bit "Willfull"
                        > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                        > > problem
                        > > > I
                        > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                        is
                        > > all
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                        > > bomb
                        > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                        > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                        > same
                        > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                        > let
                        > > > it
                        > > > > be
                        > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                        did
                        > I
                        > > by
                        > > > > it
                        > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                        the
                        > > > land
                        > > > > of
                        > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                        are
                        > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                        on
                        > > > board.
                        > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                        > But
                        > > > what
                        > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                        > > sake
                        > > > of
                        > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                        > > > person
                        > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                        > > > enlightenment
                        > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                        > > because
                        > > > > the
                        > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                        > language
                        > > > does
                        > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                        (Spiritualy)
                        > So
                        > > I
                        > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                        > > without
                        > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                        > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                        one
                        > > do
                        > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                        > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                        > > > delusional.
                        > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                        > > > > > > Eat good food
                        > > > > > > fall in love
                        > > > > > > raise happy kids
                        > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                        > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                        > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                        > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                        > > > > > > communication between two different
                        > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                        > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                        > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                        > > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                        > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                        > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                        > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                        > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                        > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                        > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                        > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                        > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                        > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                        > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                        > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                        > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                        > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                        > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                        > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                        > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                        > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                        > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                        > > > > > > something entirely different.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                        > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                        > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                        > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                        > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                        > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                        > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                        > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                        > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                        > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                        > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                        > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                        > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                        > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                        > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                        > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                        > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                        > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                        > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                        > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                        > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                        > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                        > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                        > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                        > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                        > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                        > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                        > > > > > > of existence.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Jeff
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                        > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                        > > > tremblay
                        > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                        > > > > > awareness,
                        > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup
                        > <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com>
                        > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                        > > > > > > done".
                        > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                        > > > > > > > do!"
                        > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
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                        > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > ---------------------------------
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                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                        > > someone
                        > > > > who knows.
                        > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
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                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                        > not
                        > > > web links.
                        > > > >
                        > > >
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                        > >
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                        > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                        > >
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                      • Aideen McKenna
                        You re both close to Paradise, in more than one respect. Visionary does have a nicer ring than elderly , for some reason. _____ From:
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                          You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.

                          “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                           


                          From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                          Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                          To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                           

                          You bet. I like your vision.
                          How about, "A suggestion from
                          a visionary Canadian lady".

                          Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                          and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                          Thanks,

                          Jeff

                          --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                          <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:

                          >
                          > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                          movie
                          > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                          suggestion
                          > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                          > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com]
                          On Behalf Of
                          Jeff Belyea
                          > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                          > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                          > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                          > privately and we'll work out the details.
                          >
                          > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                          >
                          > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com,
                          sean tremblay
                          > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                          > >
                          > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                          > >
                          > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                          > > "anointed") is a combination
                          > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                          > > anointed.
                          > >
                          > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com,
                          "Jeff Belyea"
                          > > <jeff@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > I like it. Maybe...
                          > > >
                          > > > the fly gets annointed.
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com,
                          sean tremblay
                          > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > fly in the ointment
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                          > > > in a "dialogue"
                          > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                          > > > > suggestions?
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com,
                          sean
                          > tremblay
                          > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                          > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay
                          co-writing a
                          > book.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Aideen
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com
                          > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of
                          > > > Jeff
                          > > > > Belyea
                          > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                          > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com
                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of
                          w:st="on"> America ] The Facts of
                          Life
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                          > > > > > on many points, and much of
                          > > > > > what may seem like differing
                          > > > > > points of view are more a
                          > > > > > matter of semantics.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > The church (especially) and
                          > > > > > most religious traditions have
                          > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                          > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                          > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                          > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                          > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                          > > > > > religious view is the origin
                          > > > > > of just about all wars.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                          > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                          > > > > > something more like entrapment
                          > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Eat good food
                          > > > > > fall in love
                          > > > > > raise happy kids
                          > > > > > do meaningful work
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                          > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                          > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                          > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                          > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I think that there is a large
                          > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                          > > > > > School
                          of Philosophy ". Your writing
                          > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                          > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                          > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                          > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                          > > > > > use great analogies and very
                          > > > > > creative metaphors.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Love, as always,
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Jeff
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                          > > > > > would you?
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                          > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                          > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                          > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                          > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                          > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                          > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                          > > > > > ...awakening.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                          > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                          > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                          > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                          > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                          > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                          > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                          > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                          > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                          > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com,
                          sean
                          > > tremblay
                          > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your
                          saying, I
                          also
                          > > know
                          > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without
                          seeing
                          > > > > expresion
                          > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I
                          have
                          > been
                          > > > > > trying to articulate that the
                          "Individuality" and
                          the "Soul"
                          > > and
                          > > > of
                          > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the
                          humanities most
                          > > > > important
                          > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the
                          only
                          > animal
                          > > in
                          > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                          > manifest
                          > > > and
                          > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or
                          Miles
                          > > Davis
                          > > > or
                          > > > > a
                          > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what
                          I
                          > believe
                          > > > the
                          > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at
                          time I sound
                          crass
                          > > it's
                          > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                          > > > > bit "Willfull"
                          > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy.
                          The
                          > > problem
                          > > > I
                          > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the
                          statement
                          is
                          > > all
                          > > > > to
                          > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala"
                          mentality that leads to
                          > > bomb
                          > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                          > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told
                          when I read of the
                          > same
                          > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole
                          karma
                          > let
                          > > > it
                          > > > > be
                          > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either
                          nor
                          did
                          > I
                          > > by
                          > > > > it
                          > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth
                          into
                          the
                          > > > land
                          > > > > of
                          > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If
                          you
                          are
                          > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose
                          I'm
                          on
                          > > > board.
                          > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone
                          elses.
                          > But
                          > > > what
                          > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will
                          for the
                          > > sake
                          > > > of
                          > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and
                          that
                          > > > person
                          > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                          > > > enlightenment
                          > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and
                          just
                          > > because
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                          > language
                          > > > does
                          > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                          (Spiritualy)
                          > So
                          > > I
                          > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that
                          freedom
                          > > without
                          > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                          > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And
                          I for
                          one
                          > > do
                          > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the
                          term
                          > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                          > > > delusional.
                          > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                          > > > > > > Eat good food
                          > > > > > > fall in love
                          > > > > > > raise happy kids
                          > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                          > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                          > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                          > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                          > > > > > > communication between two different
                          > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                          > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                          > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                          > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                          > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                          > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                          > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                          > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                          > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                          > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                          > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                          > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                          > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                          > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                          > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                          > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                          > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                          > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                          > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                          > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                          > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                          > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                          > > > > > > something entirely different.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                          > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                          > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                          > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                          > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                          > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                          > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                          > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                          > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                          > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                          > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                          > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                          > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                          > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                          > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                          > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                          > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                          > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                          > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                          > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                          > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                          > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                          > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                          > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                          > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                          > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                          > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                          > > > > > > of existence.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Jeff
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > america@yahoogroups .com,
                          sean
                          > > > tremblay
                          > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free
                          will and self
                          > > > > > awareness,
                          > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                          > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                          > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ...
                          "Thy will be
                          > > > > > > done".
                          > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do
                          ... or can
                          > > > > > > > do!"
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                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
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                          > > someone
                          > > > > who knows.
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                          answers,
                          > not
                          > > > web links.
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                        • sean tremblay
                          I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia, I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the other block and write in
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                            I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                            Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                            You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.
                            “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                            From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                            Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                            To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                            Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                            You bet. I like your vision.
                            How about, "A suggestion from
                            a visionary Canadian lady".

                            Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                            and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                            Thanks,

                            Jeff

                            --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                            <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                            >
                            > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                            movie
                            > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                            suggestion
                            > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > _____
                            >
                            > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                            > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                            Jeff Belyea
                            > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                            > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                            > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                            > privately and we'll work out the details.
                            >
                            > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                            >
                            > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                            > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                            > >
                            > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                            > >
                            > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                            > > "anointed") is a combination
                            > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                            > > anointed.
                            > >
                            > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                            > > <jeff@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > I like it. Maybe...
                            > > >
                            > > > the fly gets annointed.
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                            > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > fly in the ointment
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                            > > > in a "dialogue"
                            > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                            > > > > suggestions?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                            > tremblay
                            > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                            > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                            > book.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Aideen
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com
                            > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                            > Of
                            > > > Jeff
                            > > > > Belyea
                            > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                            > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com
                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                            Life
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                            > > > > > on many points, and much of
                            > > > > > what may seem like differing
                            > > > > > points of view are more a
                            > > > > > matter of semantics.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > The church (especially) and
                            > > > > > most religious traditions have
                            > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                            > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                            > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                            > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                            > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                            > > > > > religious view is the origin
                            > > > > > of just about all wars.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                            > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                            > > > > > something more like entrapment
                            > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Eat good food
                            > > > > > fall in love
                            > > > > > raise happy kids
                            > > > > > do meaningful work
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                            > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                            > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                            > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                            > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > I think that there is a large
                            > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                            > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                            > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                            > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                            > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                            > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                            > > > > > use great analogies and very
                            > > > > > creative metaphors.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Love, as always,
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Jeff
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                            > > > > > would you?
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                            > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                            > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                            > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                            > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                            > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                            > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                            > > > > > ...awakening.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                            > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                            > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                            > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                            > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                            > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                            > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                            > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                            > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                            > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                            > > tremblay
                            > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                            also
                            > > know
                            > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                            > > > > expresion
                            > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                            > been
                            > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                            the "Soul"
                            > > and
                            > > > of
                            > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                            > > > > important
                            > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                            > animal
                            > > in
                            > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                            > manifest
                            > > > and
                            > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                            > > Davis
                            > > > or
                            > > > > a
                            > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                            > believe
                            > > > the
                            > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                            crass
                            > > it's
                            > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                            > > > > bit "Willfull"
                            > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                            > > problem
                            > > > I
                            > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                            is
                            > > all
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                            > > bomb
                            > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                            > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                            > same
                            > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                            > let
                            > > > it
                            > > > > be
                            > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                            did
                            > I
                            > > by
                            > > > > it
                            > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                            the
                            > > > land
                            > > > > of
                            > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                            are
                            > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                            on
                            > > > board.
                            > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                            > But
                            > > > what
                            > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                            > > sake
                            > > > of
                            > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                            > > > person
                            > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                            > > > enlightenment
                            > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                            > > because
                            > > > > the
                            > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                            > language
                            > > > does
                            > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                            (Spiritualy)
                            > So
                            > > I
                            > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                            > > without
                            > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                            > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                            one
                            > > do
                            > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                            > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                            > > > delusional.
                            > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                            > > > > > > Eat good food
                            > > > > > > fall in love
                            > > > > > > raise happy kids
                            > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                            > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                            > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                            > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                            > > > > > > communication between two different
                            > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                            > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                            > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                            > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                            > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                            > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                            > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                            > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                            > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                            > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                            > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                            > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                            > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                            > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                            > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                            > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                            > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                            > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                            > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                            > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                            > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                            > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                            > > > > > > something entirely different.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                            > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                            > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                            > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                            > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                            > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                            > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                            > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                            > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                            > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                            > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                            > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                            > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                            > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                            > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                            > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                            > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                            > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                            > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                            > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                            > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                            > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                            > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                            > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                            > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                            > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                            > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                            > > > > > > of existence.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Jeff
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                            > > > tremblay
                            > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                            > > > > > awareness,
                            > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                            > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                            > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                            > > > > > > done".
                            > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                            > > > > > > > do!"
                            > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                            > > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                            > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                            > > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                            > > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                            > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                            > > someone
                            > > > > who knows.
                            > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                            > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                            > not
                            > > > web links.
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
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                            > >
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                            > >
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                          • Aideen McKenna
                            I m originally from Montreal, Quebec, where the name Tremblay was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory. I ve now
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                              I’m originally from Montreal , Quebec , where the name “Tremblay” was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory.

                              I’ve now lived on the west coast for more years than I was in Quebec , & I docilely fill in “Canadian”.  However … Quebec sometimes rather ferociously tries to separate & I can’t help but wish them well.  I’ll always feel homesick for the place.

                               


                              From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
                              Sent: June 1, 2007 7:09 PM
                              To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                               

                              I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia ,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                              Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:

                              You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.

                              “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.


                              From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                              Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                              To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                              Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                              You bet. I like your vision.
                              How about, "A suggestion from
                              a visionary Canadian lady".

                              Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                              and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                              Thanks,

                              Jeff

                              --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                              <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                              >
                              > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                              movie
                              > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                              suggestion
                              > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > _____
                              >
                              > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                              > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                              Jeff Belyea
                              > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                              > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                              > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                              > privately and we'll work out the details.
                              >
                              > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                              >
                              > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                              > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                              > >
                              > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                              > >
                              > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                              > > "anointed") is a combination
                              > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                              > > anointed.
                              > >
                              > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                              > > <jeff@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > I like it. Maybe...
                              > > >
                              > > > the fly gets annointed.
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                              > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > fly in the ointment
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                              > > > in a "dialogue"
                              > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                              > > > > suggestions?
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                              > tremblay
                              > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                              > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                              > book.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Aideen
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com
                              > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                              > Of
                              > > > Jeff
                              > > > > Belyea
                              > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                              > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com
                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                              Life
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                              > > > > > on many points, and much of
                              > > > > > what may seem like differing
                              > > > > > points of view are more a
                              > > > > > matter of semantics.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > The church (especially) and
                              > > > > > most religious traditions have
                              > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                              > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                              > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                              > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                              > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                              > > > > > religious view is the origin
                              > > > > > of just about all wars.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                              > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                              > > > > > something more like entrapment
                              > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Eat good food
                              > > > > > fall in love
                              > > > > > raise happy kids
                              > > > > > do meaningful work
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                              > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                              > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                              > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                              > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > I think that there is a large
                              > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                              > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                              > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                              > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                              > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                              > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                              > > > > > use great analogies and very
                              > > > > > creative metaphors.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Love, as always,
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Jeff
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                              > > > > > would you?
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                              > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                              > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                              > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                              > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                              > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                              > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                              > > > > > ...awakening.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                              > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                              > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                              > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                              > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                              > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                              > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                              > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                              > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                              > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                              > > tremblay
                              > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                              also
                              > > know
                              > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                              > > > > expresion
                              > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                              > been
                              > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                              the "Soul"
                              > > and
                              > > > of
                              > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                              > > > > important
                              > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                              > animal
                              > > in
                              > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                              > manifest
                              > > > and
                              > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                              > > Davis
                              > > > or
                              > > > > a
                              > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                              > believe
                              > > > the
                              > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                              crass
                              > > it's
                              > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                              > > > > bit "Willfull"
                              > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                              > > problem
                              > > > I
                              > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                              is
                              > > all
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                              > > bomb
                              > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                              > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                              > same
                              > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                              > let
                              > > > it
                              > > > > be
                              > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                              did
                              > I
                              > > by
                              > > > > it
                              > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                              the
                              > > > land
                              > > > > of
                              > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                              are
                              > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                              on
                              > > > board.
                              > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                              > But
                              > > > what
                              > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                              > > sake
                              > > > of
                              > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                              > > > person
                              > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                              > > > enlightenment
                              > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                              > > because
                              > > > > the
                              > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                              > language
                              > > > does
                              > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                              (Spiritualy)
                              > So
                              > > I
                              > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                              > > without
                              > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                              > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                              one
                              > > do
                              > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                              > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                              > > > delusional.
                              > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                              > > > > > > Eat good food
                              > > > > > > fall in love
                              > > > > > > raise happy kids
                              > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                              > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                              > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                              > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                              > > > > > > communication between two different
                              > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                              > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                              > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                              > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                              > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                              > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                              > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                              > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                              > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                              > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                              > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                              > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                              > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                              > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                              > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                              > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                              > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                              > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                              > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                              > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                              > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                              > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                              > > > > > > something entirely different.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                              > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                              > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                              > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                              > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                              > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                              > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                              > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                              > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                              > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                              > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                              > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                              > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                              > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                              > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                              > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                              > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                              > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                              > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                              > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                              > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                              > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                              > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                              > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                              > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                              > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                              > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                              > > > > > > of existence.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Jeff
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                              > > > tremblay
                              > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                              > > > > > awareness,
                              > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                              > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                              > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                              > > > > > > done".
                              > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                              > > > > > > > do!"
                              > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                              > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                              > > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                              > > someone
                              > > > > who knows.
                              > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                              > not
                              > > > web links.
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > > Got a little couch potato?
                              > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                              > >
                              >

                               

                               


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                            • sean tremblay
                              My Grandfather Rene augustas Tremblay came from Quebec city and settled in Cape Elizebeth Maine in the late 30 s. According to family legend all Tremblay s
                              Message 14 of 26 , Jun 2, 2007
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                                My Grandfather Rene augustas Tremblay came from Quebec city and settled in Cape Elizebeth Maine in the late 30's.  According to family legend all Tremblay's decend from one Peirre Tremblay, who apperently was a very busy man when he arrived in Canada in the late 1600's.

                                Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                                I’m originally from Montreal , Quebec , where the name “Tremblay” was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory.
                                I’ve now lived on the west coast for more years than I was in Quebec , & I docilely fill in “Canadian”.  However … Quebec sometimes rather ferociously tries to separate & I can’t help but wish them well.  I’ll always feel homesick for the place.

                                From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
                                Sent: June 1, 2007 7:09 PM
                                To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia ,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                                Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:
                                You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.
                                “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                                From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                You bet. I like your vision.
                                How about, "A suggestion from
                                a visionary Canadian lady".

                                Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                Thanks,

                                Jeff

                                --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                                >
                                > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                movie
                                > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                suggestion
                                > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > _____
                                >
                                > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                                Jeff Belyea
                                > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                >
                                > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                >
                                > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                > >
                                > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                > >
                                > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                > > "anointed") is a combination
                                > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                > > anointed.
                                > >
                                > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                > > >
                                > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > fly in the ointment
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                > > > in a "dialogue"
                                > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                > > > > suggestions?
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                > tremblay
                                > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                > book.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Aideen
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com
                                > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                                > Of
                                > > > Jeff
                                > > > > Belyea
                                > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com
                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                                Life
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                > > > > > points of view are more a
                                > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Eat good food
                                > > > > > fall in love
                                > > > > > raise happy kids
                                > > > > > do meaningful work
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Love, as always,
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Jeff
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                > > > > > would you?
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                > > > > > ...awakening.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                > > tremblay
                                > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                also
                                > > know
                                > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                > > > > expresion
                                > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                > been
                                > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                the "Soul"
                                > > and
                                > > > of
                                > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                > > > > important
                                > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                > animal
                                > > in
                                > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                > manifest
                                > > > and
                                > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                > > Davis
                                > > > or
                                > > > > a
                                > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                > believe
                                > > > the
                                > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                crass
                                > > it's
                                > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                > > problem
                                > > > I
                                > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                is
                                > > all
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                > > bomb
                                > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                > same
                                > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                > let
                                > > > it
                                > > > > be
                                > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                did
                                > I
                                > > by
                                > > > > it
                                > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                the
                                > > > land
                                > > > > of
                                > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                are
                                > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                on
                                > > > board.
                                > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                > But
                                > > > what
                                > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                > > sake
                                > > > of
                                > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                > > > person
                                > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                > > > enlightenment
                                > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                > > because
                                > > > > the
                                > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                > language
                                > > > does
                                > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                (Spiritualy)
                                > So
                                > > I
                                > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                > > without
                                > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                one
                                > > do
                                > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                > > > delusional.
                                > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                > > > > > > Eat good food
                                > > > > > > fall in love
                                > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                > > > > > > communication between two different
                                > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                > > > > > > of existence.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Jeff
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                > > > tremblay
                                > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                > > > > > awareness,
                                > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                                > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                > > > > > > done".
                                > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                > > > > > > > do!"
                                > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
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                                > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
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                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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                                > > someone
                                > > > > who knows.
                                > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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                                > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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                                > not
                                > > > web links.
                                > > > >
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                              • medit8ionsociety
                                T The Facts of Life Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will
                                Message 15 of 26 , Apr 14, 2014
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                                  T

                                  The Facts of Life

                                   

                                  Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                   

                                  Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                   

                                  Kir Li Molari

                                   

                                • dan330033
                                  Ends now. Dissolves now. So die now. And be ... ... T The Facts of Life Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your
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                                    Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                    So die now.

                                    And be ...


                                    ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                    T

                                    The Facts of Life

                                     

                                    Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                     

                                    Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                     

                                    Kir Li Molari

                                     

                                  • medit8ionsociety
                                    Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present! ... Ends now. Dissolves now. So die now. And be ... ... T The Facts of Life Your vision,
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Apr 16, 2014
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                                      Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present!


                                      ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <dan330033@...> wrote :

                                      Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                      So die now.

                                      And be ...


                                      ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                      T

                                      The Facts of Life

                                       

                                      Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                       

                                      Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                       

                                      Kir Li Molari

                                       

                                    • dan330033
                                      Yes! This present involves no time. So, it includes everything we conventionally call past and future. The doesn t mean I know everything that ever
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Apr 18, 2014
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                                        Yes!

                                        This present involves no time.

                                        So, it includes everything we conventionally call "past" and "future."

                                        The doesn't mean I know everything that ever happened or will happen.

                                        It means that I don't know anything, and don't need to.

                                        :-)


                                        Swami Satchitananda would approve, as this not-knowing-anything doesn't seem to be harming my health - at least what's left of it ...  :-)



                                        ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                        Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present!


                                        ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <dan330033@...> wrote :

                                        Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                        So die now.

                                        And be ...


                                        ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                        T

                                        The Facts of Life

                                         

                                        Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                         

                                        Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                         

                                        Kir Li Molari

                                         

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